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This is a repost -- just because I really need answers.. I've been looking around and I'm thinking about purchasing these cameras: 6 of these inside: NUVICO CD-SD21N DAY/NIGHT SECURITY DOME CAMERA WITH 2.8-10mm VARIFOCAL LENS 2 of these outside: NUVICO CV-SD21N DAY/NIGHT VANDALPROOF WEATHERPROOF SECURITY DOME CAMERA WITH 2.8-10mm VARIFOCAL LENS or NUVICO CV-SD21N-L DAY/NIGHT VANDALPROOF WEATHERPROOF SECURITY DOME CAMERA WITH 36 IR LEDs As you can see, there are two types of outdoor cameras I'm looking at -- I don't neccessarily know which one is better. I imagine the one with 36 IR LEDs are better for night time vision? But the Lux seems the same... Any comments? (I'd post links -- but I don't have enough posts/haven't been active enough days) Also, are these considered to be quality cameras (The TVL seemed to be decent)? Is Nuvico a good brand? I don't mind spending more -- I'm looking for optimal quality for my budget and situation. Again, the main purpose of these cameras is to mainly catch employees stealing and just to have an overall view of the bar while not having to be there in person. The bar can get fairly dim inside and obviously outside can get dark as well. Ambient lightning not so great -- so definately need cameras that won't have problems with that.

okay i figured out how to save to another directory.. but any idea why my remote connection not working properly??

Hello! Happy to announce that after much research/stress/$$ I finally got my first surveillance system up and running! Anyways, I'm having trouble with my Geovision setup as follows: (1) Every 30 minutes or so, I have to restart the Geovision program because the video capture screens freeze. The program itself isn't frozen, it is only the video playback that is frozen on an image. Once I restart, it resumes back to normal only to freeze again 30 minutes later. (2) I can't seem to get remote playback to work. I followed these directions step by step: http://www.cctvcamerapros.com/Geovision-Remote-Viewer-Setup-s/118.htm Yet, when I try to login through the remote computer, it says login failed. Any ideas? Also, I had a side question... how can I designate where the Geovision is saved? By default it is using the harddrive in which the program is installed, but that isn't where I want all the data to be stored. I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, so a link to a solution would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help!!

Hello! My first post! So here's the story: I'm trying to setup a surveillance system in my family's bar. Looking for a 8 Camera system - 2 outdoors and 6 indoors. This is mostly so that we can see what is going on remotely or from the office (upstairs). Quality is VERY important as we believe many of the bartenders scam $$ and we need a clear picture. I have absolutely zero experience with CCTV, but I am very tech savvy (I can put together computers, etc.) and learn very quickly. After much self research, I'm thinking about the following setup: PC Based DVR w/ GeoVision 2008 DVR Card (I'll probably install an intel quad core, 2 GB ram, one harddrive for OS, and 2x1TB harddrives for data), probably a $150 mid-range video card Question #1: Is the above pc-based DVR system adequate? Question #2: Should I go with IP cameras? If so, I'll probably need to change out the card with an avermedia considering the Geovision is not a hybrid. The only issue I have with IP cameras is wondering how much bandwidth I need -- the bar will only have a regular DSL connection. Does this matter? Question #3: No idea on what cameras I need. There are just so many different options, so I figured I'd hear suggestions. I assume I'll need two vandal proof (for outside) and the other six don't neccessarily need to be vandal proof. However, I want all cameras to have good Day&Night functions and have overall good quality (480-550 TVL). Not exactly sure if I need tilt,zoom,etc. and/or vari-focal/auto-iris as I don't really know the benefits of that. I'm looking to spend $3000-$4000 total. Also, with my budget in mind, let me know if I should tone down the DVR PC in order to afford better cameras. I know this is alot, but I'm kind of clueless. Thanks ahead of time!

Looking for the cheapest place to find Nuvico cameras. In particular, looking for these: NUVICO CD-SD21N DAY/NIGHT SECURITY DOME CAMERA WITH 2.8-10mm VARIFOCAL LENS ($175) NUVICO CV-SD21N DAY/NIGHT VANDALPROOF WEATHERPROOF SECURITY ($199) The prices I've stated are the lowest I've found so far. Let me know if anyone knows any cheaper. Thanks!

I'm looking to purchase 1500ft of siamese cable, connectors, and a power supply. But wanted to know if anyone knew of any retailers that I could get the cheapest from. I found some LTS branded supplies -- has anyone heard of them? The cable is 95% braided. Also, I heard somewhere that it is good to buy all from the same brand. Can someone confirm this? Otherwise, I can get better prices if I pick/choose from different brands (meaning different brand siamese cable, different brand power supply, and different brand connector). Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

I've been looking around to setup a surveillance system and have come across the following... I see a IC Real Time DVR Flex system (8 channel) that goes for about $1800. At that price, I can make my own PC-based system that would probably be at the very least, equivalent in terms of hardware specs but with added flexibility. I always hear standalones are cheaper (I understand that this is a very high quality DVR), but this leads me to believe I probably could save money if I built my own PC based system. Any comments?

Can someone tell me if this wire is any good to use for CCTV?

Hi -- I found a good price for siamese cable, but is it doable for CCTV? Here is the description: High Performance Siamese Cable RG59 Coaxial (95%) Braided + 18/2 18 AWG copper inner conductor 128 wires 95% copper shield Copper power cord CM/CL2 rated PVC jacket Swept Tested 5-3000Mhz Sequential foot/ Zone marking UL Listed FT-4 Color: Black Length: 1000 ft Package Type: Spool PM me if you want to compare prices.. I've been looking around and finally found a decent price + they are well known/reliable. Hopefully this cable works. Let me know.. thanks!

Interesting... I need to order cameras soon, but I'm not sure if I want to use this vendor anymore. Two huge key indicators of a bait&switch company are 1) based in New York and 2) have multiple websites. At least from my experience...

Funny you should mention that site; I recently ordered something from them, and they canceled the order without telling me, or any explanation. I received an email back in January telling me the item had shipped, but their item tracking didn't work... took me calling after two weeks of the item not arriving to find out that the item hadn't EVER shipped, and in fact had been canceled entirely (but they hadn't yet refunded the money). They were very nice when I spoke to their customer service people, and they're looking into it. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks for the heads up -- let me know how it goes. Maybe I'll have to do a bit more homework.

GEOVISION GV-1240X 8 & 16 CHANNEL 240 FPS PCI EXPRESS DVR CARD http://www.surveillance-video.com/gegv816ch1203.html $980.00 1 $0.00 $0.00 $980.00 Yeah -- just from google search, it seems to be a decent price. What do you think? Almost all of the security hardware is coming from that website. They seem to have the best prices and their BBB record looks okay.

Thanks for the tip! I am a PC enthusiast, so I do enjoy doing these DIY projects. It is a one time thing for my bar. I actually just ordered the PC parts off newegg for a total of $745.76 (incl. tax/shipping). Includes 3gig core 2 duo, 2gb ram, 640gb + 1.5tb harddrives, 430w psu, 8500 GT 512MB video card. The DVR card (GV-1240X) is $980 however... $200 more than the computer itself! But still this system is slightly cheaper than the standalone + a lot better performing.

Sorry for all the questions -- but whats the difference between 24VAC and 12VDC? I ask because the Nuvico cameras are both 24VAC and 12VDC compatible, so I'm wondering which fuse box I'm better off with..

Thanks for the advice. Did the Nuvico cameras I previously referenced have the SIE chipset that you mention? Also, what website would you recommend I make these purchases from. As of now, I'm just using what I find via google.

s3.photobucket.c0m/albums/y56/edwardyoo/egbert/ (Please replace the "0" with a "o" in com -- couldnt post legit links bc of 5 day requirement.) I've posted pictures - as you can see, there is ample lighting (so I probably won't have too many issues). Can someone recommend a stand alone DVR that is reliable and easy to use (ideally with a mouse)? I'm willing to spend up to $2000 on it alone

Thanks Rebco! -- Can you recommend a decent standalone DVR that will fit my needs? Ideally an 8 channel (but I'd consider a 16 channel just in case I want to add more cameras in the future). It is really important that it is easy to use and can easily review recorded material (perhaps with a mouse) -- intuitive gui/interface is important. Here are two quotes I received after both technicians surveyed my bar: FIRST ONE (11 CAMERAS - 3 OUTDOOR/8 INDOOR): 16 Real Time Eyemax DVR System P IV 3.0 Intel CPU with 1000 G Hd 1 1,200.00 1,200.00 CDR-W Drive , Desktop Case , Keybroad , Mouse Model 9240 240 FPS 21" LCD Monitor 1 320.00 320.00 IR Bullet 4mm to 9mm lens ( 3340 avf ) camera 3 140.00 420.00 Dome 48 dn 4mm to 9mm len with IR 3 150.00 450.00 Dn 400 Box camera 5 110.00 550.00 3.5 mm to 8 mm len 5 55.00 275.00 Dynamic camera box ( external use) 5 220.00 1,100.00 8 channel 12 V DC fuse Box 2 90.00 180.00 Cable use 1500 ft @ 40 cents per feet 1500 0.40 600.00 Installation , focuse , setup DVR system and internet access, training with 11 120.00 1,320.00 1 years warranty ( not included DSL line ) Total : 6,415.00 SECOND ONE WITH 8 CAMERAS (3 OUTDOOR/5 INDOOR): DVR (Digital Video Recorder) 1 SDVS‐824P Hi‐Performance 8 Ch Real‐time Recording (240 live/240 record) $1,600.00 20% $1,280.00 T CAMERA 3 V2815NVD Outdoor Vandal‐Proof Dome Type, 550 TVL High‐resolution w/ Auto Iris vari‐focal lens. $395.00 20% $948.00 T 5 D2815NVF Indoor Dome Type, 550 TVL, Day & Night w/ Auto Iris vari‐focal lens. $325.00 20% $1,300.00 T ACCESSORY 1 Tron924 B‐Tron, 8 OUTPUTS, 24 VAC, 200 VA, 4.2 AMPS, $120.00 20% $96.00 T 3 CAT5 500ft Category 5 Cable Box $79.00 20% $189.60 T 2 HDD500 500G Hard Disk Drive $199.00 20% $318.40 T 9 BLN‐1KPR Balun Pair, Up to 1000ft, UTP Passive Trans./Receive $18.00 20% $129.60 T LABOR 1 N8CCTV Completed Wiring without conduit cable, Camera & System Setup, DVR Network Setup $800.00 $800.00 Our proposed bid is inclusive of all materials and labor to complete installation TERM: 50% down payment required upon estimate approval Balance due upon job completion Total Discount $1,065.40 Sub Total $5,061.60 Sales Tax $372.89 Total $5,434.49 ----------------------- With that being disclosed, can you get a better idea of what cameras I should be looking at? What are the general difference between bullet, dome, and box cameras? I simply chose dome because they are the most aesthetically pleasing. Thanks!

I'm planning to setup a PC-based DVR 8 camera setup with the GV-2008 card. I'm getting siamese cable with twist on male BNC connectors. I just wanted to make sure, but the DB15 cable that comes with the GV-2008 card has BNC female connectors on the end, right? So the siamese cable with the twist on BNC connectors should connect fine to my GV-2008 card/cameras?

Auto-iris vari focal lens -- what does that do? I received a quote that said he added Vari-focal Auto Iris Lens for your lighting condition. Ideally, I want color cameras -- the bar isn't that dark inside, but if I can get a better picture with black and white, then I guess I'd go with that. Now that I've been looking at more setups -- I'm willing to spend around $4000 around hardware itself. Can you recommend specific B/W cameras or color cameras that would produce a good quality for inside/outside?

Also -- I choose the GV-2008 because it is D1 capable. Does that make any sense? I had read somewhere on this forum that D1 is highest quality for analog cameras.

Thanks for the IR information -- seems like they are fairly useless. I'll settle with floodlights if anything. Can someone explain the day/night features on cameras? Not exactly sure what that means...

Yeah -- my existing office PC is a Intel P4 on a Asus mobo. I imagine that should be fine...

Trimyr, thanks for your great response! I really appreciate it! So I currently have an existing PC at the office that I use for office work. It has a P4, 2gigs of ram and about a $50 video card that I just recently installed. Do you think I could install the DVR on that computer? That way I wouldn't need to purchase a new computer. You said the GV-2008 has hardware compression -- so I imagine running office/accounting programs while the DVR is recording shouldn't be a problem? Also, between the two outdoor cameras, would you say I'd get a better picture with the one with IR? Thanks again!

Okay -- I think I found them. 20 pack for $57.99 off cablestogo. The website says I would need to buy a 3-in-1 compression tool? (for another $57). Do these prices look right? Is this information correct?

I have no idea about the differences of the connectors -- can you give me a brief explanation why this would cause far fewer headaches. Also, does this mean I would need a crimper? Can you provide a link? I appreciate your response.