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Here are some more. This is the entrance to our shop. You won't notice here, but there are 2 cameras, one on each side. On the ceiling to the left side, you won't notice much, but if you were to look with a light, you would see a camera. It is a black camera on black background, so it just hides by itself... On the right side, we have another pinhole camera. This one has been painted white, and it is half buried on the door/window frame. Here you have 2 power plugs. But, when looking closely, you can notice that one of them is actually a hidden camera... Finally, a book. This one has inside a 640x480@25fps small recorder. The lens is on the side of the book, it records video on a micro SD memory card.

Yeah, always better to insert the camera on something that really doesn't stand out on whatever place you are installing it, than to just use a pre-made hidden camera that woulnd't fool half of us around here hehe I have never used fiber cameras. We used this cameras. This one is Sony CCD 1/3 B&W 600TVL, low lux. It is the one on the air conditioning unit, and the alarm keypad. The microphone is unused. This is the one on the monitor and screw. I have several models, so I do not know for sure what sensor they have, but they are both colour cameras, I think 420tvl. And this is the one inside the emergency light. Also 420tvl, it does have colour, even on the picture seems to be B&W. It actually goes a little bit on the ceiling, so it would get some angle and point to the ground.

Here are some pics, 5 custom hidden cameras! Cam1 - Hidden on monitor. We removed one of the speakers, and mounted the camera inside. It uses one of the existing holes on the monitor frame, so you can not notice anything from the outisde. Cam2 - Hidden on a screw. Not the pre-made screw, but one from the wall, so it is exactly the same as all the other ones. Cam3 - Hidden on the air conditioning unit. You can barely notice a very small hole if you look for it. Cam4 - Hidden on the alarm keypad. It is a non functional alarm keypad from an old alarm, it still has the 2 batteries from the old keypad to power the green led. Cam5 - Hidden on emergency exit light. The emergency light is functional. If you check the first picture (monitor), you will also see this camera in there, the one with name "LUZEMERG", you can see me in there taking the picture

Oooops, indeed...!!

Just subscribing to the thread. I have several customized hidden cameras, in my own shop I have 16 of them, over half customized. I will try to posts pics this next week!

Besides the owner, they can also ask the muppet...

Hexakopter!! There is a commercial thing like this one already being sold: http://www.draganfly.com/ The one in the video above seemd to me a lot quicker/agile.

If it a public web site, that is probably the way to go. If he wants to see himself the 8 cameras wherever he is, he could connect direct to the DVR. If he expects the images to be shown on a public web page (and seen by many people at the same time), it would probably be better to have the images uploaded to a ftp/web page, and from there have a page that autorefreshes and shows the images. Note that this would NOT be real time video, but more self updating images. If your customer wants to show 8 live feeds to multiple viewers at the same time, he better have a very good internet connection wherever the DVR will be installed...

This is the only one I know of, but if anyone here knows other good ones, I would gladly check them out too...!

From my non-technical point of view; the main difference as has been said already, is the size. A 1/3" sensor is 33% bigger than a 1/4" sensor. Now, with the same characteristics, a 1/3" sensor will be better than the same 1/4" sensor, because it will give you more clear colours/details. The difference is minimum, on paper a 1/3" Sony 480TVL sensor should give the same quality than a 1/4" Sony 480 TVL sensor, since they all are from the same manufacturer and have the same lines of resolution, but colours, brightness, contrats, and image quality in general would be better on the 1/3" sensor, given its size. If you are speaking about the lens; I think that nowadays it is very difficult to fins lenses for 1/4" (I think impossible, like I think trhey do not make any more lenses for C mount). I usually work only with CS mount 1/3" lenses, which will work on on 1/4" sensors and 1/3" sensors. The view angle will be bigger with the 1/3" sensor, the 1/4" sensor will be missing/loosing/skipping some light on the sides, since it will be smaller that the lens.

From what I know there's nothing wrong on that web page, but I just intented to point you to the picture, that is the exact same card I have used with BTWinCap+Active Webcam with no problems, I know it by model name "AOP-416": http://www.riseie.com/cam/aop-416-1.jpg

I would never advise you tu use any TV Tuner card on the same computer you plan to use for CCTV/with BTWinCap drivers, but if you have been lucky so far, you might give it a try. I have seen many TV tuner cards give problems with any DVR card (BT878 or otherwise), and I would never advise anyone to use a personal use computer as a CCTV system, and my guess is that if you use a TV tuner on that computer, it is a personal use computer. One 4ch BT878 card I can tell you will work with no problems with BTWinCap and Active Webcam is this one, I know it by model name AOP-416. http://www.riseie.com/cam/AOP-416.htm

Yes, I am sure that it will not work with ALL cards that just happen to have a BT878 chip in there, BTWinCap device list when installing is huge and the drivers have not been updated in over 5 years. I have even been able to mix different cards to have 9ch on one system with no problem (8 chips + 1 chip), that's why I stick with the 3 models of card I do know to work ok.

You do not need to post the same question two times. I have already repplied you on another thread, Active Webcam will not work with TW6802, and of course bt878 drivers will not work with a card that does NOT have bt878 chips.

I have used with no problems BTWinCap drivers with 1chip, 4chips and 8chips BT878 cards.

I also think it is more likely to be a Vista problem, than an AMD problem. If it is going to be a dedicated system, wipe Vista and install XP. My main test computer is right now an old Athlon64 3Ghz computer, and I can tell you that all DVR cards I work with, they all work ok on that AMD system.

From my experience, you will not be able to get to work a card with TW6802 chips with Active Webcam. You will have to use the drivers and software that came included with the card. If like Active Webcam and wish to keep using it, you should find yourself a DVR card with 4ch 100fps with 4 BT878 chips. It is not an expensive card, and you will then be able for sure to stay with Active Webcam.

So, you think you need a quad core and maybe a couple videocards in SLI for a DVR machine...? As you have been told, a computer so old (Celeron 1.3Ghz with 256Mb) is not worth upgrading. Doesn't matter if it works as well now as it did when you purchased it last century, you would spend more in bringing that computer up to date, than on buying a new machine with specs a lot better than what the upgrades will give you.

Why would he? The camera appears to stick up higher than the speed bump since he didn't hang up on that. No offense but if I were his insurance company's claims adjuster, I would deny any liability. I have to agree. It's not like he did anything special to have it break, he just drove over it really slow...

You have a DVR that works with ATA hard drives. You can easily find SATA hard drives cheap, but not ATA hard drives. You do not want to buy a new DVR just so it will support SATA hard drives. It makes sense to me...

I used them a couple of times. The ones that worked for me where like this. Note that this thing goes on the DVR motherboard, and NOT on the HD, that basically means that where you can usually connect 2 ATA HDs, you will only connect 1 SATA HD. This model can be bought for cheap. There is also another one like this but where you can connect 2 SATA HDs (can't find pic now). http://www.trendstrading.us/images/IDE_and_SATA_2.jpg Oh, here is the one for 2 HDs: http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00CvltbijgAPoZM/SATA-To-IDE-IDE-to-SATA-Converter.jpg It did NOT work for me with the following model. From what I remember, SATA HD would format OK, DVR would reboot, and it would say again that it was not formated. http://www.entrale.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/lk-13417.jpg

With those 104 cards you can also use Active Webcam (Pysoft), with BTWinCap drivers. Works great under Windows XP.

For one single small camera that records on memory card at 640x480@30fps, you can google for "camera md80". That one is pretty cheap. That GoPro camera seemed small to me on the first picture, after seeing it on a helmet it looks huge!

CMS = Central Management System Your typical remote access program for a DVR, but it will allow you to manage several DVRs from one place. Like, several DVRs each one in a store, and from a central place, one single computer can see the cameras from all DVRs on all stores, set up their own nice view where maybe they see 2 cameras from store 1, 1 camera from store 2, 3 cameras from store 3, etc.

Makes me wonder, what is the maximum recording resolution of a BT878 chip...? Because a 8ch 200fps card with 8 BT878 chips might an option here if a BT878 can record at 640x480, which I think it can. I have used a 8ch BT878 card, which can be used with BTWinCap opensource drivers. Then the card is easily recognised under Windows, and you can use programs like Active Webcam or Argus DVR (both from Pysoft) with those cards. Active Webcam was giving me option to record up to 720x576 each channel, and Argus DVR was giving me option to record up to 1280x960, so I call them both BS (they must upscale the image with software), but if a BT878 can be used at 640x480 it would be a good option. Edit: mmmh after googling a bit, maybe the max recording resolution of a BT878 chip is 720x576 after all...