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Well I tried disconnecting the wire leading up to the ir and since it feeds the night sensor also it made it a b/w camera only. So I just took some black tape and covered the leds and it works great. So now when my motion lights come on it looks fine.

I got it here. http://www.brightnoise.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/10_15/products_id/242 Not sure what wizkid gets for them. I figured since this place wanted that much for one it was out of my league.

$450 camera. Whew. And I thought it was the same camera as the 600H1 but without the ir. Guess I was wrong.

I thought of that. Next chance I get, Im opening it back up to see whats involved.

Yea I found out why their so hard to open, its the o-ring. I would like to find a simular camera now without the i/r This looks interesting but I cant find one anywhere. KC-W600CN http://www.ktnc.co.kr/product_03_01.asp

Theres a way around that All you have to do is press "print screen" and anyone can get pics off of a site. Well, so far I have to say this camera is a big improvement over the 200 plus dollar Clover camera. Except for the fact you have to unscrew the case to focus and set the zoom. There was something inside that looked like little servo motors attached to the focus ring. I dunno.

Thank you.

Should I receive a email with a UPS tracking number?

Well apparently you dont even have these cameras in stock or I would have a tracking number by now.

Yep, Dont know if it has been shipped yet. Do they email me when it sent out? Im at work so I dont have the invoice number with me.

Alright Spytown, I have one of your 600h1's on its way so I will see if I can open it.

Thanks for the info. So........how think are these yellow pages? 1/2" thick? I have seen some 3" thick.

Could you give me a model number of one of the cameras that you say cost a bit more than this one but easier to work with.

Ah no wonder. I have seen the ktc-2000dn on surfing the inet and thought it must be a nice camera. Are you using one or tried one? So, is there a slightly less or comparable Extreme? Are you saying theres Extremes on cctv? Edit; Oh you mean these, http://www.extremecctv.com/home.cfm They look commercial use only.

Hey Rory, Im afraid to ask but how much is something like this? Over $300. http://www.bahamassecurity.com/ms/shop.asp?shop=details&id=223&cat=16 Is it the XP1?

Rory, Thanks for the cam numbers. There is so many choices its overwelming. Ok, Im now thinking that since I have several motion flood lights around here and as cheap as they are I can install more I dont think i/r is really needed unless it dont really add to the cost. So far my breakins are in broad daylight while we are at work. I like the KPC-N600H1 and KPC-N600H2 but if I can put the money towards a higher res camera without the additional costs of i/r in them. I have noticed that most d/n bullit cameras had the i/r whereas d/n without the i/r are mostly box cameras. Which I dont have a problem with box cameras.

Andris, I also had this camera http://www.cloverusa.com/camera/C3326EX.asp but I took all of them back to the local store and you wouldn't believe what I had to go thru to do that. But I did end up with cash.

Hum, not sure which cam you have , but this is the one that is giving the problems at night; http://www.cloverusa.com/camera/oc285.asp I have been happy with its day/night abilities but the triggering is not going to work. Anyway in my situation I really done need ir. This camera is covered by a motion flood light anyway so its useless. I believe Im going to order some color day/night cameras. And not Clover's. Have considered some Eclipse but last time I checked their site gives me a error. http://www.eclipsecctv.com/Dayandnightcams

AndrisN, Well I bought the Matrix E0400. I figured something has to be better then the Clover. Anyway I installed it yesterday evening. So far so good except the Clover i/r color camera keeps setting off the motion even with the sensitivity set to its lowest? What cameras are you using? Im thinking Im going to take every thing back that has Clovers name on it.

The compressed air would be a good choich for dust. And the lens cleaning solution and wipes for glasses is good too after blowing off dust. Dont use paper towels or even nose tissues. Oh and make sure the lens tissues have been closed up and not open for dirt to get on them

I am reading the manual for this unit online and I do agree its looks to be better than a Clover.

This is true. But I would have to buy a new cpu also. This m/b is a socket A AMD. Ah anyway its only money right. So what about if I did go this route with the new m/b and cpu and maybe the geo GV-800-4? This is getting close to the 600 mark. Do you feel this is a better system than a dedicated dvr for 600?

I had considered a card especially since I have a extra computer but unfortunately it is a Asus A7V VIA133 chipset m/b and I have heard these will not work with GeoVisions. So I gave up on this. Dont know about other card manufactures.

Okay, Well I looked at this one http://www.cctvfactory.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=cmctech&Product_Code=DVR490&Category_Code=4CHDVRS which there again maybe theres something out there better than this one for under $600. Or is $600 to cheap for a 4 channel?

I have a question about the motion detection in dvr's. I went ahead and bought the Clover unit http://www.cloverusa.com/equipment/cdr4010.asp just to see how it would work in the spur of the moment, and so far it seems to be ok. But it only has 1 setting for the motion detect for all 4 cameras. I would think you would want individual adjustments. Is this the norm? After getting some experence with this unit Im considering taking it back and buying something else online.