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So I have a job coming up shortly that will be a 1000ft run I figured I would use cat6 for the cable my using some Video Baluns. My question is that they plan on useing 2 cameras in that location being cat6 has 8 wires total I should be able to run 2 cameras off of 1 cat6 wire...BUT will 1000ft be a issue? for power i plan on useing 12vDC, 18 channel, 12amp Power supply...Do you think this will be enough..The video baluns say they can do 1200ft color but they do not say if that is useing all the wire in the cat cable or just 1 pair.. Any help would be appreciated.

Allot of great info Thanks guys! Last question... If I where to use a 24v AC Camera useing cat6 cable...1 pair for video and 3 pairs for Power over 1000ft I would have a voltage drop of 5.1 giving the camera 18.9V AC...Now this is where im getting confused a 24VAC/12vDC camera should work fine because from what ive read the camera takes the AC current and coverts it to 12vDC current at the camera? Is this correct? Now also the same situation above but useing 12v camera..I could use this adapter http://www.active-vision.com/Power-Converter-p/aps-acdc-1500.htm and it would take the 18V AC and covert it to 12vDC? Thanks again!

jxk716 Im just going to run local power they are on a parking lot light fixture so there is a power outlet in the light we can use... You think 6 inches of dirt should be enough to block the interference? Also on http://www.cat5videobaluns.com/video-balun-troubleshooting-guide.html they say not to use a shielded cat cable.....I would think in this situation a shielded cable would be best?

jxk716 12v 800ma with IR on. Now im running into another issue..Just found out the company wants to trench the wires with the same wires the Lights are using...I think that will cause interference? They said they can add about 6 inches of dirt and separate the 2 wires but I still think that will cause issues? Would I be right..The lights are like lights in a parking mall..

Yah no power I tested it before i even saw every1s post..No power what so ever..Even double up on the wire for power still nothing... Also it seems if i double up on the video wire it doesn't make the video single better makes it worse.. Powered them local all is well and1 set of wires going for video looks great 1000ft... WHat is the max distance for a 12v Power Supply it seems 60ft would be the max distance useing cat6 and that calculator jxk716 posted...Am i correct? Thanks again for every1 posting!

I was wondering what the difference is between the Monalisa and Hawk DSP? on NextChips website it looks to show a picture of one of CNB camera.. Is it the same chipset just renamed?

I'm not argueing that right now hdcctv is more expensive then IP..all I'm saying is when china gets there hands on it which they are and it starts getting massed produce you will see the prices get lower..also ofcourse the technology will get better if the hdcctv alliance is the standard...I also want to point out a very respectfull poster that has been on here forever said that there is no way high def video will go over coax that if u wanted high deff u needed ip cameras....hmm he was wrong...it is the start of a great new technology and personly I think all you IP lovers are scared of it because if IP did take over allot of your compatition would go away..=) ...o yah by the way I'm net + cert..IP cameras don't scare me they are very nice but I see it as more manufactures get into it the price will lower and the camera sales will go up because there are way more cctv installers afraid of IP cameras and how easy is it to just plug in cameras vs IP...

Well sum it up on here let's see what it cost...now remember I agree with the priceing point but I wana see what your price comes out to and see just how much more NEW technology costs..which we all know it will be more but let's see..

How about this someone please build me a ip system that is able to do 30fps at full resolution 2mp...include all the switches and cableing needed...remember 30fps at full 2mp resolution...100ft run..4 cameras on a 8 channel capable NVR that is able to add 4 more cameras later on that can doa full 30fps at 2 megapixels... Storage is not a factor.

Like i said on this part of the subject I may not know what Im talking about..Yet u do not explain to me why a cellphones 2MP camera wont do for CCTV? Anyways what about the other subjects I pointed on? did we just skip down to the part where i admitted I didnt know what i was talking about...=)

So let me get this straight... HDCCTV requires no compression at the camera making it less expensive to produce the camera. Giving it the ability for the DVR to do the compression and also if any new video codecs do come out it will be useable with that codec. HDCCTV uses traditional Cabling (good quality cable) that is. Easy for a customer to upgrade there old analog system to HD HDCCTV does not need POE switches or High Powered NVRs only needs HD DVR which yes are somewhat expensive at the moment but seriously how many people are making HDDVR? Thats why they are expensive they are trying to make as much money as possible off it. If more players where adapting this technology the prices would come down. HDCCTV wont go down if the network or any switches go down. HDCCTV wont eat up bandwidth on your system..UNLESS you build its own network dedicated for it. To mee it seems HDCCTV will take over..Most of the HDCCTV products are made in Korea at the moment once China (yes cheap china crap as some of you would say ) it will lower the cost of HDCCTV... Dahua is starting to get into it and it looks amazing!!! Now I may not know what im talking about but...My phone has a 2mp Camera in it..It takes AMAZING VIDEO.. iF you look at how much the camera cost http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_it_cost_to_make_a_cell_phone it is only $20. Put that in a CCTV Camera shell and add HDSDI to it...Seems to me it would be inexpensive to build maybe $50 PER camera..Now like i said I may not know what im talking about but please educate me...

Is there a way to PHYSICALLY tell what CCD is in the camera by takeing it apart..I dont want to rely on what is on the spec sheet due to all the LIES in this field I Know the Chipset is correct Next Chip 2010 ..But i dont see a way to tell what CCD is in it Ive tried looking for a model number with no luck.. THANKS!

I took the CCD board out of the camera..Would it be on the back of the ccd Board or would I have to desolder the CCD from the board? Thanks for your help!

I have seen some cams that have Monalisa Chipset on it but main thing they are showing off is Smart IR (which is a awesome feature) and i dont think that has to do with the Chipset...I have a couple of Hawk chipset cams that claim to be 600TVL and I can tell you one thing they are definitely a nice picture nicest picture i have seen so far it has ICX638BKA CCD and NVP2170 (HAWK) from nextchip..I dont have any cams that have monalisa in it thoe..

Thanks for the information..Now what one is better?? hehe

I have 4 Cams each cam is about 500ft a run for each. I bought a 8 channel 24VAC 8 amp Power Supply, RG59 Cable, and 4 ECL-640 Eclipse Cameras.. If I hook up the cameras indavidualy they work fine as soon as I hook in anohter camera to the DVR i get a white Scrolling line the more I hook in the worse it gets especially @ night its even worse... I have spoken with some people and they say its because of noise from other electrical wires. BUT the runs are going underground on a farm no electrical wires are even close to it. Im thinking its the power supply but from what Ive read and been told the 24VAC 8AMP Power SUpply should be fine with 500FT of cable going to each camera? I bought a wall plug AC power supply and hooked one cameras power up to that and the other to my main power supply and the lines did not show up... Any suggestions would be great THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!

The cams are mounted to a mettle bracket onto (wood) they are inside a bird house... The wire then goes down the wood post and goes underground into a conduit for a very long distance to the house (he lives on a barn) there are no other underground wires near by..Soundy the DVR is grounded (3 prong power plug)... the power supply is only a 2prong so i don't think its grounded?

Rory all the cams are Identical.... you guys have been awesome better tech support then all of my distributors...Question is now is that my fault? should i have known to buy a isolated power supply? or is it because the guys house may have dirty power?.. Then again this is the power supply they sold me knowing i was doing 500ft runs, useing those cams, and said it was more then enough?.. I took all your advice's and bought a altronix ALTV248ULCBHI-UL which was the same price as the Eclipse Power Supply I got $126.. Here are the specs: 115VAC 50/60Hz, 3 amp input. 24VAC @ 12.5 amp total output current. Eight ( electronically isolated PTC protected outputs rated @ 1.6 amp. Illuminated Power Disconnect Circuit Breaker with manual reset. Unit maintains camera synchronization. Lifetime Warranty.UL Listed for Commercial CCTV Equipment (UL2044), CUL Listed - CSA Standard C22.2 No.1-98, Audio, Videoand Similar Equipment.File# E148639. CE Approved. I Hope i got the right one....

Independent power supply's fixed the problem.. But it seems to me thats the cheap way out. I don't get why these cameras need to be isolated? we tested the voltage on the "non working power supply" at the end of the cam not under load and it showed 26VAC ...also we hooked up 1 500' run and a 3' run to the power supply and the lines still appeared? Is it possible i bought 2 bad supply's or r they just junk? Thanks in advanced!

Well I replaced the power supply with the same unit thinking it may be the power supply but still has the lines. Ive talked with there tech support they said 18g and 24VAC @ 1amp should be fine and that power supply should be fine but its still not working... I looked at that Vertiline8Di by altrnoix Specs: • 24VAC or 28VAC @ 8 amp total output current. • 1 amp max per output. • Eight ( electronically isolated PTC protected outputs. • Selectable 115VAC 60 Hz/230VAC 50/60 Hz input. • Eight ( individually selectable 24VAC or 28VAC power outputs with OFF position. • Eight ( power LED indicators. • Surge suppression. • Illuminated power disconnect circuit breaker with manual reset. • IEC 320 - 3-wire grounded line cord (detachable). • Removable terminal blocks with locking screw flange. • Ease of installation saves time and eliminates costly labor. • Units can be rack, wall or shelf mounted. • Lifetime Warranty. How does that sound and where can I buy one heh

Im looking into 4 megapixel cams I like the arecont 5MP cam.But they will need to look good at night..Now with that i need a recording device that is capable of doing AT MINIMUM 7FPS at full resolution H.264 Compression, Motion Detection..Hard Drive size is not a issue i have about 5TBS laying around and can get more cheap....I would like it to be a standalone Box not a computer..any suggestions on the route i should take...Im a noobie at this stuff so please go easy

So Im looking into a 4 Channel top of the line system. These are going to be put outside on a low roof and night time viewing is a MUST. buy: 1 Intellicam JS-4RTA-D1 1TB HD -30FPS @ 4CIF Recording on every cam, H.264 Hardware Compression, TI Davinci DSP. Dual Streaming for Internet, VOIP $1100 1 ECL-PS4AC Regulated 24VAC Supply with 4 Fused Outputs 1AMP Per Cam $50 4 ECL-557HIM 540TVL HQ1 Vandal/Resistant, Auto Iris, Mechanical IR filter,3.8-9.5mm, 30IR LEDS, Blinking Strobe $230 4 Microphones on all Cameras $10 Each 500' Of Siamese Wire $110 Tottal $2220 I chose this because from what I can find this is a AWESOME DVR no one can beat the price with the functions, also any1 that asks "can the DVR do this"..IT CAN i cant find one thing this DVR cant do!..If you can please TELL ME! .. This is my first time using Eclipse cams but this cam has great specs and a good price ... Any input before i make my purchase would be great..Remember this is for outside only HIGH vandal area (just had a beer can thrown through a window) and wish i had good cams to see who it was. Im willing to pay more if any1 can offer me a better solution.also I do love the blinking strobe that the cams offer will make people think twice before doing something like that again.... Thanks!

Thanks that is a nice shot..But that is a still shot how do moveing objects look at night? I hear they look "ghostly" due to the CMOS.. Also what device should I look into as far as recording? THanks!

Thank you once again Im looking forward to this install!