DoorMan

Yes sir we rocked the house for sure. How many were there? We don't really know yet. Well into the hundreds of thousands. Most conservative estimates from up above have it at around 250,000 and the more aggressive reliable sources had us up at 450,000. One thing that is for sure there was alot of people that banded together to say "less is more"..........."hands-off my kids' piggy banks"........."hands-off my liver". More simply put, "Don't Tread On ME!" There's a couple cool pictures in here. You be the judge. The Metro was shut down in overload. The expressway in was bumper to bumper. Not one incident of crime either. The march was forced down the avenue by police early when freedom plaza filled to the brink an hour and a half earlier than expected. Marchers continued to come to and walk down the ave for hours after it began. A steady stream until around 1:30 For fair and balanced vid look here: If they panned right you wouldn't believe your eyes: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/09/12/HP/A/23055/FreedomWorks+Rally+in+DC.aspx Read up on and join in here: Note the ultra opponents trying to shut their eyes and ears in the comments section. http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/max/how-many-people-came-to-912-taxpayer-march-on-wash There were other demonstrations in 45 states Saturday. TX, NC, Georgia, Ohio, FLA, VA were the most noticeable and vocal bunch. They were a breath of fresh air for acouple guys and gals from the land of Kennedy\Frank\Kerry. It was a headbanging and handshaking experience.

What a bunch of asses!

Nothing, my wifes making me go... There's been a sharp decline on several fronts here in the states over the last decade or so. Alot of what is being viewed as solutions recently are hotly contested. Time for some action...stand and be counted before it irreversable so to speak. Just good old hot button topics and major loss of liberties could be the result of doing nothing right now. Plus the weather this summer has sucked big time and I'm getting fat because of it....

I'm not really a hard line political guy but I can't take it anymore... If you are in the US and are unhappy with the BS being handed down, make your way to Freedom Plaza in DC at 11:30 am on 9/12/09 for a little jaunt down Penn. Ave. There will be plenty of us there.... Lots of cameras too..

And the price plus the extreme temperature range is a big benefit with these cameras. I have one coming in. These look like pretty good cost/benefit.

How many pixels are on the faces? The lens appears to be set to the widest angle to cover the entire front of the office from just a few feet. Zoom the lens to cover jsut the door and many more pixels will cover the faces. The coverage area and pixels on the faces is no different than any other security camera. However, if you compare this camera with another 1.3 mp camera using the same lens settings, you will really begin to see the difference of WDR in this bright parking lot / less-bright office setup. Best, Christopher Hadn't even considered the size of the men's faces just thought they definately looked large enough for some recognition. The darkness of them took me by surprise there above all. Zooming would help in the picture brightness I take it. It sounds as if one could brighten up the image at the expense of some wash outside to actually see faces inside? The DR would simply scale? Got it I think.. Thanks!

I'm the only barrel guy in this discussion and have made my limited experience quite clear without shame or excuse. Well like I said I've not seen this barrel distortion on the cams I've tried to date. I'm not "acting" at all here and never said it was a "major problem" either. I've never owned an SLR or DSLR. Never disagreed with the asertion that the police would not reject for barrel distortion. To your point above what I AM saying is I just saw 2 guys walk out the door with who knows what 12 feet in front of a 1000 dollar camera that is the "bees knees" for WDR MP technology and I couldn't ID them from here. Yes the sky looks great and the bumper is awesome and hey "roll out the barrel" distortion for all purposes of discussion. If I was the customer I'd expect better you can bet on it. I'll ask it again. Am I expecting too much from a 1000 dollar camera? Is this simply how the camera is setup? Could it be better you think? Can anyone explain to me why the major wash of the outdoor image when the men (obviously not perps but i dunno? ) opened the door to leave? Should could or would the camera have corrected for this eventually? Thanks!

Well to be honest I don't think I could. Look at 16:32:30 and 16:32:32. I mean from a small pool of possibilities I would be able to assume who that would be. But at a random location and situation where the perp could be anyone in the city or county or state etc. I'm not sure it would be enough? And this being al of what, say 12 feet away? Enhancement techniques maybe? I'm no CSI guy for sure.... My wife and I were looking through the photo album recently after delivering my daughter to first year of college. She shows me a picture of her and my son standing there together holding hands in front of a tree on vacation while very young. Brought back the memories entirely. Good thing it wasn't the only identifying photograph we had if there was an obduction and such. You couldn't tell anything about them really.

In the first place it is easy to correct images with barrel distortion, and in the second place, it's not that important. Are the police going to reject a positive ID because the image has barrel distortion? The bright sunny sky, the white lines in the parking lot, and the shiny chrome bumper are not blown out, and yet we can see good images of the men while standing in the shadow. Amazing. Just a guess, but I'm willing to bet that's at least ten stops. Too bad the night images are from within the building. Would love to see a dimly lit parking lot at night. Best, Christopher Yes maybe it isn't setup properly if like you said it is easy to correct for barrel distortion. I'm not used to seeing this on my 7 to 800 dollar cameras right off the wire. This is a lens flaw no? I really think there is quite a bit of illumination of the men as the outer glass surface is highly reflective tinted glass type.Or maybe my thinking is bass ackwards too... Time and more images will tell the whole tale on this one. Hard to tell with so little to examine. So far I'm just not feeling it for this camera.. At 7 to 800 dollars it would be better I think. It's great to see some images come from this long awaited camera though! Thanks TWG for posting these.

It's difficult to judge without comparison images, but the dynamic range looks very impressive. But the most important test for me is moving objects in low light. Best, Christopher Yes there is alot to like about this image. Judging from the moving mini van in the last pic there is a bit of blur though. I don't know if it is from motion (or how fast even) or the glass it is shown through but it is a moving object. Would suggest a slowish shutter speed I would think?

Why ? Think how many feet do u have from left to right ? how many pix do u have from left to right ? Get my point ? Well I brought it into grid and I measure 7 pixels (I think) across for each letter in the bulleted portion of the Legend. Even the larger closer text that (I believe) says Commuter Rail on the top right that is closer and a touch larger is difficult. Looks soft to me but I'm not an expert...yet Am I expecting too much here? This is a 1000 dollar camera right? Seriously though do I expect too much here?

Just for fun open any mega pix in full res on your own comp. let me know plz how do u like it ? But I think from what I see here other cams I've used so far do better. Certainly less curvaceous. Night time will sing the praises of this one probably. 3 MP would make all the difference most likely too. Scares me that the choice of lens is limited to what I see here...unless I'm mistaken about that. All right I'll shut up now..

I knida thought we should be able to read the legend and map that looks like it's 10 feet away at most. There is alot of pixelation on the drop ceiling tiles near the lights, also at the facia where the straight edges are sort of jagged. Yes much better than an analog for sure! But with all the hype maybe I was expecting too much.... Maybe this will shine in the dark. Just my .02. And is the left edge of that window really curved? This camera is lens specific no? Everything is curved....

Thanks! wow....I was hoping for better than that. Can't wait to see it setup properly. Hopefully this one was just slapped up there.

I agree and along similar lines .... I wish there was a consumer guide or report with a large number of cams tested and their result compared. In a solitary laboratory setting if possible. I see a couple guys here that do just that on their own and for their own consumption in a small shop and such. But nothing could compare to a test lab where variables are fixed and measurement uncertainty is minimised across all makes and models. Then a stamp of approval on the unit with true specs listed. If I had a nickel for every wish......