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Yeah I know, the customer has four peephole cams on the corners of there house in a 2x4 box with a plate. They insist LOL, what can a guy do. LOL Yes that card will work with W7, that I do know as to 64 bit that I dont know. lol Going to find out though, if not then 32 bit it is! Not to sure I follow you on the two server apps? Perhaps you could enlighten the ignorant? Yes one PC at this point unless you shatter my image of granduer!

Oh juicy! I have been running W7 since the first pre beta release. I was running the full versions by September 16, 09. I have installed it in everything from DDR laptops to DDR3 laptops, from P2 machines to the new I7. Totally solid, there have been some minor video driver issues mainly due to manf. not getting up to speed. Generally 98% of the time, if you ran it in Vista it will run in W7. One thing is that you have to go to the power options in the control panel and set the power to high performance, in there also adjust your screen turnoff times to not at all, elevate your program to administrator, most "capture" programs will require elevation period, turn off all the graphical candy, run the app in xp mode sp2, make sure that you install all of your "capture" programs as an administrator (right click and click run as admin) do that at the .exe file. Check your screen resoltuions, if your running Ultimate do not install the media center. For "capture" programs use W7 professional. I have had no issues running legacy software with W7 following the above rules, you can also manually install drivers with compatability mode. make sure that you install W7 on a wiped drive, then install your capture cards, then your capture software. I have not tried Geovision yet in W7...I am going to cross that bridge tomorrow if the time allows. I will post my results. Oh as to the quads being an issue, some capture software isnt up to real world yet and will bog down with quads, you can shut off cores in W7 or assign them to tasks.

This is more brain work than I anticipated. Anyways I got to see the cams I have chosen in action today good enough for me. Here is the tenative list: 1) HD26912-5 Antenna with 5 radios (EOC-2610) 6) HD26912 Antenna single radio (EOC-2610) 1) EOC1650 Antenna single radio 1) HD27011 Gigabit Router (ECB-9500) 4) ACM-1231 Outdoor mega pixel ip cam 1) ACM-1431 Outdoor ip cam 3) ACM-3311N Indoor dome 4) KPC-S190CDV Then ACTi NVR V2.2 software. I am going to build an Intel based machine with the I7 quad 4 gigs of ram windows 7 64bit (hopefully), 4 TB's of storage, dual onboard gigbit lan, 512 PCIx video card, still working on the analog card, probably going to be techwell chipset since I have tons of those in stock, this will handle the analog side, two four channels chips on each card at 120 fps, (120 fps per four) @ D1. So effectively giving me 30 fps per channel. More than those measly analog cams can handle but should give some good imagery I think. Any comments on the above would be well recived. Thanx all, tomorrow is final site walkthrough and hopefully a deposit!

I was "thinking" about using in stock dvr stuff. From digging around it looks like Pelco anything IP is going to be out on this build......still trying to nail down cams dangit. I am also going to have 4 analogs, that wont be an issue...but jeeze what a pain. I really like the whole box solutions myself, although not winner quality and more of the liquer store varity....but jeeze.

got it

oh ok I don't recall mentioning dealer pricing? I just tossed a number in there. I was only replying to the response. I was advised to do 'diligent' shopping and following that sage advice, that is what I am doing. I assume then that it is ok for the other guys to post prices? There has been plenty of prices tossed about on this particular project. I have no intention of stepping across that invisible unknown line.

no that is my account price and that is what I can buy them for. Just wondering about the specs

How about these specs for cams, I can get these for #### a pop: Model Number - IP7330 •System - CPU: VVTK-1000 SoC. Flash: 8MB. RAM: 32MB. Embedded OS: Linux 2.4. •Lens - Board lens, dual-band, f= 4.0 mm, F1.8, Fixed. IR corrected. •Angle of View - 56 deg (horizontal). 42 deg (vertical). 71 deg (diagonal) •Shutter Time - 1/5 sec. to 1/15000 sec. •Image Sensor - 1/4" CMOS sensor in VGA resolution •Minimum Illumination - 0 Lux / F1.8 (IR LED on) •IR Illuminators - IR LED x 12 (850 nm). Effective up to 10 meters. •Video - Compression: MJPEG & MPEG-4. Streaming: Simultaneous dual-stream. MPEG-4 streaming over UDP, TCP, HTTP, or HTTPS. MPEG-4 multicast streaming. MJPEG streaming over HTTP or HTTPS. Supports 3GPP mobile surveillance. Frame rates: MPEG-4: 640x480 up to 30/25fps. MJPEG: 640x480 up to 30/25fps.

I am working through this and getting places. Does anybody know what the dealio is FOR SURE 100% positive on the DS Xpress series if I am going to need a lisc for each non Pelco IP camera or will the single lisc that came with the unit cover all 16? Or if I use Pelco IP cams I only need the single lisc? Also any clues as to pricing on lisc if any for that particular unit? Thanx just about got the equipment list together......I am trying to decide if I wanna use the DS Xpress or just build the customer a quad core unit I7 based....all within the budget on that.

OK wow now I feel like I am coming out of the stone age! let me see if I can get all the cut and paste quotes down here. I looked at this product: HD26912-5 EOC-2610 Outdoor AP/Client Bridge This is a 5 pack of radios. EOC-2610 is a Long Range outdoor wireless Access Point/Client Bridge that operates seamlessly in the 2.4GHz frequency spectrum and provides high bandwidth up to 108Mbps with SuperG. EOC-2610 features high transmit output power and high receive sensitivity. High output power and high sensitivity can extend range and coverage to reduce the roaming between Access Points and to deliver a more stable wireless connection. It also reduces deployment expenses on the equipments. EOC-2610 supports distance control by 1km to 30km and RSSI indicator, which enable the best transmit and receive signals for superior wireless performance. This outdoor device comes with a PoE injector (24V) for easy outdoor deployment. They are claiming a 30 KM distance at max, am i to assume that is 18 miles? givr or take an inch? This unit also claims to have 5 radios, IF I am learning fast here (thanx to all of you) I can infer from that staement, then that I can jam four cameras for sure at this unit? or five if I am feeling froggy! One concern I guess would be the throughput? at approx 102 Mpbs (less in reality) runiing 4 cams at this thing, conservatly would give me about 25Mbps per cam. One would think that is plenty of bandwidth. I would have to go crunch the numbers. The other thing I like about this deal is that I can access wirelessly...NO wires involved. YEAH. Plus unlike the NSM5, I have the data I need right now to make an informed choice including prices. So i don't have to go clicking and farting around. With the 26912 I even have intelligible antenna patterns. I don't feel that 2.4 Ghz out in the coontry is going to be an issue, H-plane co polarization in a vertical mount looks to be the ticket! Also for $367.00, I get five in one! yeah sign me up. Now I have to keep looking at the transmitting antennas. Ok so any opinions on me just sticking with these guys for the wireless portion of this job? I MUST get this 'beta' finalized tonight, when I do I will post my line item (lol) parts list. Then make an informed phone call tomorrow to see what the deal is all the way around. Again I want to thank everybody, this "do it right" wireless is a first for me, done tons of others but not like this. And of course pixs will be posted once it is up and running, so everybody can see the system they helped build!

ok so the AP, now is that like for example a DWL2100AP? I wouldn't use that brand just happen to have one sitting on the bench. I am still a little foggy on the AP part. A single "rec" antenna for the two cams across the street? Another for the two down at the gate. Although all four of those are generally pointing in the same direction. I would definetly need another "rec" antenna for the far side of the house. As to the AP, I would have to build a 'bird house' for the AP so it is under cover? Also I am not sure I can run cat 5 in the exsisting conduit that they have going out to the pole. I am almost postive that it isnt feasible. That is why I was hoping to be able to have a wifi AP in the house with a directional pointing at the 'pole' and then from that to the pc/dvr via cat 5.

ok now I am seeing the light somewhat. The IP cams will plug directly into the radios via cat 5, that then would transmit to the house? where I reverse the process...then try to elaborate on this please: The Cat5 cable would run between the outdoor access point receiving the remote camera signals, and an interior network switch connected with the PC. The wireless hardware I quoted is not compatible with home wireless networking equipment Thanx Oh do I have to use a PC or can use something else dedicated? like a DSReal Vue Xpress? (I have about 20 of them)

ok thank you. I would only need to run POE if I did not have power? correct? I have power at every camera location. So from your suggestion: Get a "regular" camera and plug that into a radio? Is that what I am getting here? Then if I am not going to wifi into the house, your saying I should cat from the access point into............I assume that I can hook up a cat five to the access point? As you can see I am a little more confused here now. They have a good pc, quad core etc. I don't quite understand why the radio built in makes a difference, if I am going to disconnect the antenna.....but on that I will trust to judgement. What do I use to get the video to the pc? Thanx

Thanx hardwired. However even after over 6 hours of research I am still plumb stuck on stupid. So I am thinking best to just lay it out there. I have a budget of 7k + or - with the exception of 2 cameras these are line of sight out in the country, no obstructions. I have 120v at all camera locations. I am not allowed to mount anything on the house. They have a pole about 30 feet in front that has the current antennas mounted to it, then hardwired from there to the house. I want to use a wireless router or AP in the house to access those signals. I am attaching hopefully an image of the layout with distances thanx to google earth. Now as I said this all line of sight, all the signals need to get into the pc somehow, via cat 5 to the AP/Router? I want to get a gigabit router, I will install a gigabit nic in the pc. Now I can also go with a NVR or something similiar? The cams all have to be outside cams obviously, I have read so many opinions on using the radio in the cams Vs not using them? I would like to be able to disconnect the out of box antenna and hook up something like a directional, hawking comes to mind? I am still unclear as to wether or not I need to have a transmitting antenna and a recieving antenna? What I could really use here folks is a 1,2,3 list of what I need so I can start on pricing. I have sent emails to about 7 companies and nobody has replied. As to the cameras, they need to be either 1.3 megs cams or just a notch under. Thank You

thank you!

Now theres a thought. I am going to do that at some point in the future thanx you may be right

Hi all first time here, although admittedly I have been coming here for awhile. Anyways, here is my current setup. I have the Pelco DX4500 with 7 cameras hooked up, 6 are infared. NO PTZ. I have full remote access everything works great, I am using cat6e with baluns for 5 of the cams and regular coax for the other two. What I want to do is change one of my front yard cams to a better cam. What I would like to hook up is the Pelco CC3751H-2 DSP Color CCD camera, with a Pelco 13ZD5.5x30 zoom lens. This unit works great, I bench tested it last night. It has 4 wires coming out of it blk/red/yellow and green(the blk/red are tied together) these are for the zoom and focus control. I was able to use 12v dc to manipulate the zoom etc in and out by reversing polarity and all worked. Where I want to place it I have cat6e running now. The video Balun I have is the BNC to RJ-45, it has 8 wires with two option screws on the outside of the case as such: AUDIO/PTZ out +/- and then OPT/VIDEO IN +/- The balun is a LTA1010. I have no clue how to make this unit work where I can use the zoom function. With the above setup. Here is what I have in stock though and can easily be brought online. I have the Integral DVX500, a DS Realvue xpress, a DX8116 (although I would rather sell those units), also I have a KBD4000V, S-PCON and S-EIDC-U, I have a blue cable with an RJ45 on one end and a rs232 connector on the other end part number 72-3383-01 or 94841 LOR 0404 (don't know what it is for exactly). So thats what I have in stock and I would really appreciate it if somebody could point me in the right "hook it up direction" Thank You mucho.

Thanx all seems like quite the expense just to hook up one camera LOL...my other thoughts would be to just run another cat 5 or even cat3 out there from my desk hooked up to a set of momentary rocker switches, have one set feed postive and the other set feed the negative?

Why thank you. I can for sure do that. Now one last thing does the KBD4000v then get it's power that way? There is no 'power jack on the back per se'

ok and what is that? LOL

Ok so let me see if I am wrapping my melon around this, plug that into a usb port,(unfortuantly the DX4500 has it's own OS) and then the other end the little black 'serial' looking connector has the screw terminals for the zoom etc? Am I wrapping right?