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Yes and I also have a 2.8-12MM MP Fujinon Lens of your interested. Very interested and what are you asking for the fujinon. Could you post some low light pics?

For a 5mp camera the price is pretty good even without the lens. The 2 arecont av3135's I boughtdidn't come with lenses either and they about $100 bucks more than the Messoa's.. As for the Vivotek's I own a couple of them ip7361,ip8332's,ip8161's pretty decent camera's I might add.

securitybestbuy has them [edit by mod-store link removed] Bought a couple of cameras from them good experience overall.

Still have the Sanyo? any night shots?

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