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And how is that a bad thing? Well if you already got an VMS running other then Avigilon, then they aren't much use. It doesn't matter much ofcourse if you start building installations, but it does matter if you already got excisting installations.

THe M7010 is quite cheap of Axis. And if you want 30 IPS you can always take a P7210, which is a tad more expensive but always cheaper then a rack of Q74XX. And to the original question wether they have their individual IP's. That fully depends on the encoder. For example. An Axis 241Q has 1 IP but 4 camera's where as an Axis Q7404 has 4 IP adresses with 4 camera's. Avigilon encoders are by far cheaper then Axis encoders and they are full D1 30FPS all channels. But only work with Avigilon software ? You're binding yourself to the Avigilon VMS, whereas Axis is widely supported. Ofcourse, that comes back in the price.

THe M7010 is quite cheap of Axis. And if you want 30 IPS you can always take a P7210, which is a tad more expensive but always cheaper then a rack of Q74XX. And to the original question wether they have their individual IP's. That fully depends on the encoder. For example. An Axis 241Q has 1 IP but 4 camera's where as an Axis Q7404 has 4 IP adresses with 4 camera's.

Actually, a 'ping' is neither TCP or UDP. It's ICMP. Which acts similar to UDP, but it's even more simpler. Who build the network ? Cause if you really want to see what the camera is doing you're best off looking at the router it's attached too, to see how it handles. (lost packages etc.) Also, what are the camera settings you have going at the moment ? (fps/codec/resolution) Greetings from a fellow Dutchmen

CS mount is CS mount, meaning they will always fit. There are however a few things you need to keep in mind. Keep the sensor size in mind. A 2/3 lens on a 1/3 sensor will give different results then 1/3 on 1/3. IP camera's come in all kinds of flavours. If you got a megapixel camera you will rather have megapixel suited lenses as they give off better results. Normal D1/4CIF sized IP camera's can use the same lenses as analog ones. More info on lenses: http://www.axis.com/products/video/camera/about_cameras/lens.htm

Encoders, yes. As for decoders, according to the Supported Hardware page of Milestone they don't support the decorders. For example. I can't find the P7701 on it.

OT: Whoa, only 3 posts before Avigilon was mentioned Also, 'best' what ? What do you want the system to do ? What is it's main purpose ? What additional features are you expecting ? (think video analysis etc.)

http://www.powermanagementdesignline.com/electronics-news/4236063/Next-gen-video-codec-hits-milestone Apperently the new codec will be able to compress the data even further. Only (huge) side affect is that it will require more calculation power as well. I'm not sure in how effective it will be on the CCTV market due to the fact that calculation is already running short when streaming loads of H.264 streams. But perhaps its quite handy for the megapixel cameras. I wonder how it will hold up against JPEG2000.

As soundy already said. You can always use the same lens. But megapixel lenses will offer better results with megapixel camera's.

There is the Axis P7701. Which ofcourse only works with Axis products: http://www.axis.com/products/cam_p7701/index.htm

We always place a box before the camera. Usually due to the fact that the camera is a spot where you normally can't get to. In the box we also convert the 230VAC to 12VDC and for the analog solutions we have the COAX there to pick up for service purposes. For the UTP we have a strong industrial FTP cable who is fitted on a Phoenix jack. From there we go to the camera with either a factory made UTP. All cables going from the box to the camera go trough a Anaconda tube from Sealtite. This is to protect the cable(s) from flying sheets of metal or all sorts of crazy stuff we usually have here. Anaconda: http://images3.cableorganizer.com/anamet/anaconda-sealtite/images/01-conduit.jpg We use the Phoenix one due to the fact that you can fit it on a DIN rail. Like our AC/DC converters as well. It's all a tad more industrial, but working at an steel industry does that Edit: wrong image

I got the 1080p version running here at the moment. I've seen both the 720p and 1080p in the exact same situation and the 1080p did better then the 720p with low light situations. I got the 1080p facing a crossway and I was quite suprised how good the quality was at low light situations. What's handy is the auto-backfocus it has. Similar to the Sony HD camera's. The 1080p lacks an analog output for installation tho, which the 720p does have. Here's an still from my camera. Don't mind the reflections tho, it's a test setup and it's about 20cm of a window.

I don't quite get your point, but that might be due to the fact that English isn't my native language. My experiances is that ONVIF is still a work in progress. It's a good idea but it doesn't quite work completely yet. I would be really nice when it's fully operational though. Don't get me wrong though, Bosch screws up big time with their IP/Software department with little support with other brands. They're one of the frontman of ONVIF but their own VMS system (BVMS) doesn't even support it. The thing I just wanted to point out, that I don't understand the popularity of a VMS software which only has such a small list of supported brands. I personally would rather choose a VMS software which doesn't have direct ties to a specific hardware brand. Then again, I recon it doesn't really matter much for installers who only build small installations, or even big installations where only 1 or 2 brands are used.

I really don't understand why so many root for Avigilon. If you look at the list of brands/models they support: http://www.avigilon.com/downloads/acc4/ACC-Support-Devices-4.10.0.14.pdf They don't even support Bosch, who's 5th on the market of IP camera's. Milestone however has allot more support: http://www.milestonesys.com/support/technical+support/supported+hardware/supported_hardware/corporate Besides, Milestone doesn't make hardware, thus can focus more on supporting as much brands as they can. Omnicast is nice too, but it's more expensive for small installations.

Hey guys, Having a bit of a problem here which I can't quite figure out. I've got a Bosch MIC500 attached to a AXIS Q7404 using RS458-4 wire. Now the problem is that after playing around with the camera for a few seconds it almost feels like the buffer is running full. At first the camera acts accordingly, but the more I stear it around the less it starts to react and after a while it just keep stuck in the last commando it was able to take. So basicly, my camera just spins around. It stops spinning after I reboot the AXIS. I'm still not entirely sure it's the AXIS causing the troubles. I got a 120 ohm resistor on the Rx pair on the camera as indicated in the manual, and I already tried different baud rates (4800 and 9600), both having the same issues. So, anyone got any suggestions, cause I'm all out.

Does it have to be long range, or can you go up close as well with covert camera's ? Like the AXIS M7001 Covert Surveillance Kit ? Which isn't so expensive

A bit later then promised but the lads had trouble getting the images. Sadly they removed a tad of the images by accident. Here's at least 2 images. One of the 1080p and one of the 720p camera. It suprised me that the 1080p camera was allot better with low light situations then the 720p. The 2/3" chip helps loads! Also, the 720p seems to have allot of issues with the whitebalance. It also suprised me that the camera's now work the BLC out themselves. You don't need to select a certain area anymore. I haven't got the images anymore due to deletions, but the camera was able to look streight into the hot pan. The picture down below is the camera in standard settings, so the BLC wasn't add (sadly) I'll also add an image of a steelpan being transported so you can see a bit more details then just 2 boring doors. 1080p 720p 1080p

That depends how you build up your storage. Also, he indicated that live view is quite important. We have a similar situation here. We have storage but it isn't as important as live view, cause if we loose that we can't operate the factory, which costs allot of money. There are ways to make it quite redundant. Have 2 servers, which create a single virtual server which holds the VMS. If one fails the other can still run it. Have several storage units which all run in RAID 5 (for example). Fit the encoders with a redundant power supply. Then if for example one of your encoders dies, you loose a max of 4 cameras. You can make it as silly/redudant as you want, if you have the cash We have our Security Controll Room running here on 5 DVR's (NETrec's) and I'm dying to get rid of them. The moment one dies on me I have to run out there, swap the DVR's, reprogram the whole thing and I loose all the stored data on it. Not to mention I have to keep a DVR spare, or in this case 2 cause they tend to die allot, which is a costly thing to have on the plank. I don't think that DVR's are all that bad tho, I just feel that once you start to have a large sized installation it's better to go more modular.

I personally wouldn't use Hybrid of DVR's due to the fact that if one of those breaks down you immidiatly miss 16 (depending on size DVR) cameras. Using a seperate server for the software, iSCSI storage and encoders to digitilise the whole lot is allot more secure. This is speaking from my own experiances.

We just did a test with both the 720p and 1080p models (NBN-921 & NBN-832) We're reviewing the images this afternoon. I'll see if I can get a few stills from them. We're testing them to see how they handle extreme cases of high and low light situations by making it look into the mouth of one of our converters. If you're wondering what a converter is, here's an image of one at some random factory.

Hello, Does anyone know a product which enables me to flip/mirror an image ? In the past we used CRT monitors where we just inverted the connectors of the coils (sp?) But since it's almost impossible to get CRT monitors now-a-days we wish to replace them for LCD. Sadly you can't flip the image on these. So I'm looking for a device which I can place between the cameras and the monitor which flips the image.

Heya, I got myself a bit of problem. Goyo, computar and Pentax all stopped making 4mm pinhole lenses with manual iris. Do any of you know any brands who might have decent manual iris Pinhole lenses ? They have to manual iris due to the fact that we have allot of light changes due to fires etc. and in the end the DC iris ones die quickly.

That certainly looks promising! Thanks!

Hey guys! I'm doing some research for a nice camera we can use in a project to analyse the raw materials we use to create our steel. We place the camera's over our conveyorbelts which carrey the raw materials to the factories. These camera's shoot 1 image a minute and upload them to a FTP server. Here our lab logs in and analyses the images using Labview and create a KPI of it to indicate the quality of the raw material (size and shape). Now we already learned allot while doing the tests. One being that a diffuse light is the best and that using the same setting every time is the best way to reduce time to create new algorithms. But we had 1 camera who died and when we replaced it the zoom lens shifted a tad and we had to create a new algorithm! Since we want to create a standard , and adapt all 8 locations we have atm to that new standard, I'm searching for a camera which can be used in all occasions. My plan was to use the AXIS Q1755. It has a built in lens and allows us to zoom in the distance. But furthermore, my idea was to save all the configuration settings so that if the camera dies, I place a new one and load up the configuration and the zoom will be exactly like the previous camera, thus enabling us to use the same algorithm. However, I can't find an option to save the configuration other then the log files where I can request up the parameters. So, does anyone have any experiance with configuration files and Axis devices ? Here's a sample of images I shoot. It's of a running conveyor belt, moving at about 2 meter per second

We got a long transport line where we got 15 camera's placed. On the opposite side of the line there's a building where they view the camera's and controll the transport line. Due to the controlls they have for the transport line they require the images of the camera's to be as if it was like they were viewed from the building itself. Yet the camera's are placed at the opposite side of the line. Instead of replacing all 15 camera's for special ones which we only use on that spot we rather have our standard camera's. So the best option would be to use our standard camera, our standard monitor and a special device which flips the images. This was we can always replace either camera or monitor without bulk inventory without having to worry about special settings.