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I was looking to purchase a couple of either - Mobotix M12 - or AXIS 1346-E To eliminate extra PCs and NVR soft I asked another question earlier on this forum see: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=25651&p=155507#p155507 At a certain moment I got this reply from thewireguys: I assume he is talking about the iCVR HD cameras: http://www.videoiq.com/resources/C-%20VIQ_iCVR_HD_camera_brochure.pdf This one looks the most interesting one to me: -> VIQ-HD-CRD250-3-8 — Day/night, 500 GB hard drive, 3-8mm lens It is around 1800 USD which is less then 1500 euros which is a little more expensive then the axis 1346-E and 500 euros more expensive then the mobotix. When comparing functions: - compared to axis: the videoiq has build in NVR and storage either 250 or 500GB so I don't need a NAS or NVR software. - compared to mobotix : mobotix also has build in NVR but still requires a NAS. When comparing the specs: - megapixel: it is only 1080p compare to 3MP on both Axis and Mobotix - night sensitivity is much better I am mostly concerned about the resolution and compression: - 1080p compared to the 3MP - H.264 compared to the MxPeg (mobotix) or MJPEG (Axis). The resolution difference is only during the day. At night the Axis and Mobotix are 1MP as well. And just based on the specs the minimum illumination is 0,25 for the VideoIQ where as the AXIS and Mobotix are 0,5. So I assume during the night the VideoIQ will perform better at the same resolution. Only during the day will I loose a lot of extra MP. On the compression I am also a little afraid when you check the Mobotix arguments about H.264 not being a real video surveillance codec. Mobotix their purpose and my goal is to be able to detect/recognise faces. Since H.264 is compressing a lot you loose valuable data. H.264 is more for motion where for recognition you just need a still crisp image. I kind of agree with Mobotix their argumentation. Does anyone have some real footage from the VideoIQ or experience comparing these 3 cams? My main goal is to be able to do face-recognition between 3 and 8 meter of the camera both during day and night.

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I have 1 synology 1010+ with 5 WD Greens in RAID 6. I use it to mainly to store my BR movies. I don't compress the BR movies so when I stream them we are talking about +25GB per movie. I used WDTLER and WDIDLE on my WD Greens and have no problems at all with constant streaming from my SAN. But yes they are not professional/enterprise. So if you are a company or such I would indeed not use WD greens as well.

OK... I have to admit I could not wait playing with the mobotix d12 I installed it last night and have been playing with it for ... well at least 8 hours now I will post my test results and/or pictures in the 'MegaPixel Cameras - Images and Demos' post on this forum so I can stay on topic here. What I can say so far is that I already have 200+ movement triggers so far (mostly people and cars passing by on the road) and I have to admit now that I will need software... If I would only position the camera's on my front door and back yard I wouldn't need software. But in my situation I plan to position: - 1 cam on my front door - and 2 capturing each side of my driveway including part of the road so I can see who is walking/driving in our street So for the 2 last cams I will need soft if I want to be able to manage everything. The thing with Mobotix is that the soft is winthin their cams so that is great. But so far I am not that pleased with the picture quality of the mobotix d12 but that is for another topic...

Hello, I am thinking about purchasing some cameras. At this moment I am thinking of 2 camera solutions: - 2x AXIS 1346-E + 1x AXIS 1347-E - or 3x Mobotix M12 I already have... - a dedicated HP V1905 10GB-PoE switch - a dedicated APC 1000VA SmartUPS - a dedicated Synology 1511+ NAS with 5 disks ... for my videosurveillance solution. I don't intend to do live viewing and I don't need it. I am thinking about setting up motion triggering within the camera's and let them stream (ftp or http or whatever ) to my NAS when there is motion. I assume this is possible with both camera brands. I also assume whenever a trigger occurs the cameras will create a new folder and/or file(s) on the NAS that contains, for Mobotix MxPeg and for Axis MJpeg, files. I also assume the names of these files will contain date and time information. So I should be able to easily and quickly access those files to look at the events. This is for a home video surveillance solution in a quiet (not much traffic) neighborhood, so I should not have too much triggers and data when scrolling through the captures. My question is would I still need some videosurveillance software in this case... I am guessing not right? When I still need software I need to put an extra PC to run the software on or use the videosurveillance soft from the Synology.

Just received my 2 weeks demo Mobotix D12 appliance for testing. I will start testing this weekend.

That is a nice shot indeed however I am afraid above my budget. If I am correct I would need the cam with all the following accesoiries to be able to put it outdoor on a wall: Price model Descr $985 5.0MP-HD-DN 5.0 Megapixel HD Day/Night $173 ES-HD Standard Format Enclosure for Avigilon HD Color IP Cameras. Max combined camera and lens length is 6.8" (17.27 cm). $469 ES-HD-HB Standard Format Enclosure for Avigilon HD Color IP Cameras with 24 VAC Heater/Blower. Maximum combined camera and lens length is 9" (12.7 cm). $72 ES-OPT-WALL-S Wall Mount for ES-HD, supports up to 20lbs (9.1 kg) $55 SS-ES-HB Sun shroud for ES-HD-HB, reduces internal temperature by 10-15°F (6-10°C). And I am not sure if the lens is included. If the lens is included the cost of the camera with accesories is indeed not to much compared to the AXIS 1346-E however it is JPEG2000 and I did not find a NAS/video-recording-software combination that is around the price of the Synology 1511+ with the 4-pack Synology CAM licenses. The Synology and QNAP are not compatible with this cam. In other words the price of the cams is ok but you would also need a strong investment on storage/video-recording-software.

That is indeed a very interesting solution. That is why I am would like to see the resolution compared to axis P1346-E and Mobotix M12. I prefer to have a less performant motion detection (at the cost of having more detection and capture more data) as long as the footage is usable. Once again my main goal is face-recognition.

As mentioned here in synology surveillance station their compatibility list the max resolution is 1080P (1920x1080): http://www.synology.com/support/camera.php?lang=enu&brand_id=17 See also picture below: The qnap are not at all in the same price range... they are almost double the price of the synology. - The Synology 1511+ 4 pack video licences : 165 + 690 = 855 euros - The Qnap VS4008 Pro: 1450 euros And I already have the Synology so I would only have to purchase the licences = 165 euros versus 1450 euros !!! Anyway when I go to Mobotix I won't need that as mobotix has build in video management... Hey but do I understand your point here and I have to agree that it would be great to have some more video mgt as well... However for 1200 euros extra I would prefer to buy some better cams or an extra cam or maybe some IR illuminators. Sorry I am just a 'poor' home user with 'limited' budget of around 5000 euros. Are you talking about the iCVR HD cameras: http://www.videoiq.com/resources/C-%20VIQ_iCVR_HD_camera_brochure.pdf This one looks the most interesting one to me: -> VIQ-HD-CRD250-3-8 — Day/night, 500 GB hard drive, 3-8mm lens It is around 1800 USD which is less then 1500 euros. Let me open a new topic for that so I don't spoil this one too much: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=25665 And off course the best would be that the mobotix M12 will meet my resolution (ooth during day and night) expectations: - Then I don't need extra soft as it is build in - it uses less power then other outdoor cams - much cheaper then axis However I am afraid from what I have seen so far that Mobotix won't deliver its resolution. I really want to be able to identify people and cars(brand/model and licence plates... although I guess for license plates I would need an extra cam lower to the survace to correctly capture those)

Yes I was thinking about using the build in video surveillance software of the synology until I read on this forum that: 1. the synology soft will reformat the stream (so loosing quality) 2. the synology soft is not able to record at the maximum resolution of the cam

I just learned a new word : convuluted = complicated Really... those camera's are capable of streaming to an FTP server. So even if they are not supported by the NAS (which they are) it should be possible as long as the NAS supports the connection (FTP/HTTP, SMB/NFS). Not so sure about that (see picture below) As you can see if the 3 cams record simultaniously at only 12fps at full resolution in MJPEG (I don't want H.264 or more then 10% compression): - I have a bandwith requirement of 136MBit which is too much for a non-gigabit router - I require 2,4 TB for 7 days of recording when only 10% of motion is detected on the 3 cams. (I know the picture shows 11,5 but that is for both continious and event recording) Anyway 7 days is more then enough indeed and Gbit will do the trick. And if I go to Mobotix I win on both disk capacity and bandwidth because of the use of MxPeg without losing on picture quality because of compression. Off course I might lose on picture quality because of the lens differences between mobotix and axis. At this moment from what I read and see the Axis has still better picture (at higher cost off course). But that is why I am going to test the mobotix first. If the quality is satisfying for my needs I indeed see no reason to go to Axis. Yes the Mobotix off course they are able to do live viewing because of their special concept. But even with the AXIS live viewing is indeed possible from any browser directly to the cam but that is not linked to a video-server (PC with video recording soft on it or NAS with video recording soft on it like the synology with video station). I assume that is what you mean. Anyway I think my question is answered... and I am very happy with the answer... so thank you everyone.

Howso would I be blocking my other cams? You can have multiple FTP connections to your NAS. I have a gigabit router and dual gigabit NAS and can use Link Aggregation for even more bandwith throughput. Isn't that enought bandwith and connections? Thanks for the tip of making multiple shares for each cam. And yes the integrated solution of Mobotix is one of the reasons why I would go for them. Although I hear a lot of cons/pro for the Mobotix concept and picture quality. I am expecting a demo Mobotix cam soon. If it passes my picture quality tests (both during day and night) I think I will go for Mobotix though...

Thanks for the update. Too bad we won't see their updates soon. I like their concept and pricing but am waiting on their updates or even new cameras (higher MegaPixel)

Someone has a more accurate date ? I am also waiting...