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Hey guys, I'm trying to setup an 8 camera system to cover the outside perimeter of a 200 x 75 foot land area. I drew a little picture to try to give the general idea. The green cameras are the optional ones Ideally we will have 8 cameras to save costs, but a 10 camera system would be better. The cameras must be: We were thinking of going with dome cameras. - Vandal Proof - Have decent nightvision (there are lights on at night. About 200 watts for every 2 cameras) - Motion detection I've been doing some research, seems that a 2.8mm lens will give an 81 degree field of vision, which is not enough to fully cover the area with 8 cameras. Can someone recommend a camera with a wider field of vision, if they exist? These will be in Candian winter where conditions are in the -20C sometimes. Will I need a heater for the cameras for the cold winters? Questions: - What is the range of motion detection? I'm guessing it depends on the camera, but on average. - The max wiring will be about 200 feet. I am undecided if it will be easier to use RG59 with 18/2 wire or cat 5 cable (using 3 for power and 1 for video, or whatever is better). And the main questions: - Is it possible to do this without any professional help? - Can anyone recommend any sites to buy equipment and ship to Canada? I know I have a lot of questions and I appreciate all answers. Thank you all.

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Hey all, sorry for not replying. You guys had me laughing with all the arguing but thanks for all the posts. Still not sure what I'm gonna do, been really busy with work this week. But I'm gonna look into VideoIQ more, it seems like a good idea. Edit: Any idea on how much the VideoIQ dome camera (HD and non-HD) go for price wise? And where the heck do I buy these things? Is there a store near Montreal that would have them in stock?

Awesome. Thanks for the links. Also can anyone PM me some trustworthy sites with products that ship to canada.

Also, I've been looking at [edit by mod-store link removed] for all the prices and spec sheets. Is this a good site? Has anyone ever ordered from here? I'm not sure on the rules. Tell me if we are not allowed to link.

hi beams dont detect motion. works by braking beam This is a very good idea. Do these beams work for lengths of around 200 continuous feet? I'm having a hard time finding any good information online, can you suggest me a brand or website so I can look more into this? Thanks for the help

You are 100% on the money with all of these statements. Our first idea to cover the perimeter was by using IR beams and now that I think about it, this might be the best solution to alert us of intruders. Would, lets say 2 PTZ camera be enough to cover most of the perimeter if a breach were to happen? I'm gonna do some more research and ask you more question. Thank for all the help so far.

Okay guys, thx for the input once again. It seems that the 8 cameras spread out is not the best setup. Maybe a different option would be to put 2-3 good cameras at the anticipated entry points and try to identify with those and maybe put up a few dummy cameras in the other spots as a scare tactic. I looked into the VideoIQ surveillance and really like the idea of having a few IP cameras that have the recorder inside of them. And then have a motion detection alert when there is movement and then I can then view the video remotely. (hopefully with a 3G iphone). Is that how it works? I am currently on dial-up so reasearching is a big task when I can load videos and web pages quickly.

If you are aiming for a field of vision wider than 81 degree's ? Your Surveillance objective is likely pure monitoring at no more than 10 meters. A human target will likely not even fill 10% of the monitor size at anything beyond 10m (32ft) with a 2.8mm lens. which is the minimum accepted for monitoring. I have managed to get something of a reasonable picture under those circumstances by going up very high, about 6m (18ft) -but that was less than desirable, a budget enforced solution. That solution will purely alert the observer to the fact that a target is present, it will likely tell you nothing about the target. Motion detection is a form of video analytics - it is notoriously unreliable outdoors with a cheap camera. I am wondering whether your objective is really to get such a low level of detail, unless you are only intending the camera to cover say up to 15ft at that width of angle? Thx for the input, the objective of the system is for monitoring. I am aware that identification of targets will be nearly impossible unless they are very close to the camera. The cameras will be mounted at around 12 ft high on the peak of the greenhouses. The main goal of the system is to discourage vandalism and scare people off. Identification of targets is not a top priority. We have a pretty decent budget (around $5000) for a 8 channel DVR, 8 cameras, wiring, etc. Another question: It would be nice to be alerted when there is movement on the property, either by text, phone call, etc. And we would like to remotely view the alerted camera on lets say on Ipad or whatever. Is this possible? Once again, thank you for any help.

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