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Cybex and Nova View are excellent as well. I found that good cables are most important. The cheap products usually come with cheap cables. As said, you get what you pay for.

The application is not resource hungry at all, and the video card is not an issue here.

Now installed the client and it works just fine. Same TV programs on the second site, and too dark to see anything on the first one. The compression is nothing special, ~2k for a medium-low quality frame. From a quick glance it seems to have a bad GUI design. I'll look into it deeper later.

sorry, I didn't install anything, just went to: http://www.i-view.com.tw/Test.htm and some asian TV programs appeared in the screens

It's working. Reduce your IE's security level to "low".

It's only caused because of a bad connection to the server or a bad server software that is integrated with the geovision software.

I agree.

oops, thought you meant SCSI raid... SCSI drives are much more reliable, but you pay 6 times more.

I just hope it won't be me paying for it...

ATI makes chipsets for Intel platform as well. They integrate a Radeon 9100 into it. haven't got them chance to test the yet though. http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9100proigp/index.html

I have a log from 2 months ago. it's even quite amusing Judge for yourself... * note what happened when I asked if they sell chance-i cards... Powered by CCS System: Please Wait while connecting to an operator You''re connected to operator - Aventura User: thanks Aventura: sorry i lost you there User: thought you fell a sleep User: can I get prices? Aventura: may i have your contact info Aventura: just send a blank check Aventura: i will fill it in User: blank check? Aventura: ok just put a whole bunch of zero's Aventura: only kiddin! Aventura: User: lol Aventura: what items would you like a price on User: I was told that americans have no sense of humor User: so didn't expect this.... Aventura: no sense of humor Aventura: when it comes to money maybe! Aventura: User: Cameras, 120fps capture cards User: User: you sell Chance-i cards eight? User: eight=right Aventura: hold please User: on hold Aventura: one more second User: no prob Aventura: ok Aventura: i am back Aventura: we do not sell chance-i cards User: just systems with the cards? Aventura: we sell cards Aventura: but not chance-i User: which cards? Aventura: we have them made for us with our software Aventura: we are software engineers Aventura: and write software for many of the board makers Aventura: we make some boards ourselves but small quantities of very high end boards Aventura: MPEG4 boards User: but your demo uses chance-i's software Aventura: with real time display and record Aventura: it is a GUI Aventura: we have dozens of GUI's Aventura: that is what we do is the software User: hmm Aventura: it is just a user interface Aventura: if u look around you will see on the internet Aventura: dozens of site with similar gui with different name Aventura: because we design gui Aventura: we can private label it for u Aventura: or give u a new one Aventura: or do custom application Aventura: with custom features Aventura: that is how u know we are the manufacturer User: i see Aventura: no one else can do custom work Aventura: we can also provide sdk tools User: what mid-range cards do you sell? Aventura: what does your company do Aventura: we have cards made for us Aventura: not from the traditional sources User: we provide computer based solutions Aventura: because of the way we design Aventura: we are familiar with Comart, Chance-i, Kodicom, Sungjin, Idis Aventura: and all the rest Aventura: we are solution providers Aventura: people come to us to make their things work Aventura: we are a 300+ man IT consulting firm Aventura: we come from voice over IP and video over the net User: you too? Aventura: no Aventura: i am female Aventura: Christina Aventura: i mean 300 + person firm User: no females in voice over ip? Aventura: we have sister company Aventura: aventura networks Aventura: we were pioneers in SIP and MGCP protocol Aventura: developed call agents and soft phones Aventura: which are used my many of the telco providers Aventura: main market for that is in India User: interesting Aventura: who do you buy boards from Aventura: I am only in customer care not sales User: I provide a solution to a client that needs to implement a few DVR systems Aventura: so you are new to the business?? User: had no previous knowledge User: yep User: learned a lot from your site User: very good information User: clearly explained Aventura: because knowing somebody as obscure as Chance-i is interesting Aventura: they are a Korean board maker User: I did a small research Aventura: not really main stream Aventura: its not the boards anyway that is important User: to try and find a good board manufacturer Aventura: they all use the same components Aventura: at least the good ones Aventura: the trick is the DB in the software Aventura: the boards are worthless without good software architecture Aventura: that is the difference Aventura: most of them dont work Aventura: more than 90% Aventura: once you get past basic functions they crash Aventura: then you get into issues of DHCP Aventura: NAT User: using open source db's? Aventura: PPPoE Aventura: DNS Aventura: oracle User: are you familiar with VGuard boards? Aventura: then on mid level boards use a home grown DB Aventura: never heard of them Aventura: there are only 10 board manufacturers Aventura: most say they make but dont Aventura: they are User: http://www.vguard.net Aventura: Sungjin, Idis, Comart, Kodicom, Chance-i, Thakral, Sunell Aventura: and i forget the others User: Aver Media Aventura: nope User: oem? Aventura: they buy from korea Aventura: yes Aventura: they buy from same source as Geovision Aventura: Pelco, Vicon and General Solutions all buy from Sungjin User: Is geovision good? Aventura: garbage Aventura: the worst Aventura: great marketing User: really? Aventura: but lousy product Aventura: yes Aventura: they have big market share Aventura: they spent a lot of money on marketing User: they are best sellers here in Israel Aventura: but their customers come to us everyday Aventura: after they ahve problems Aventura: they are the biggest but the worst User: good to hear User: because I didn't like their distributor here Aventura: total garbage User: that's why I turned to find something myself Aventura: there product is cheap Aventura: price also is very cheap User: 500$ for a card is cheap? User: oh Aventura: which card User: forgot you're in the US User: 100fps 4 channel User: that's a dealers price in IL Aventura: let me see User: GV-800 Aventura: gv800 is an 8 channel i thought Aventura: also the frame rate they say is false Aventura: that is part of the problem User: this seems to be the case with most cards Aventura: ours you can count frame by frame Aventura: and it is 100% Aventura: no matter what you are doing Aventura: there are no shared resources Aventura: 4-channel 120fps is $590 User: yours? Aventura: 8 channel 120 is $700 Aventura: yes Aventura: with software

What exactly do you mean in "all screwed up..."? It's probably the video card. But try to disable all other cameras. In Aver's Eyes-Pro, if you only connect one camera, you won't see an image until you disable the other three. Other problems might be chipset incompatability (usually with non Intel chipsets) and color depth setting (change between 16/32 bit).

thanks for the info

http://www.safeland.co.kr Don't have the card itself, but I've installed the software and it looks very slick. It replaces the windows desktop, while limiting access only to required functions (the GUI looks like a standalone DVR system). The application itself has a very well designed GUI, the best I met by now. They use their self developed MPEG4 algorithm, claimed to be the first MPEG4 system in Korea. Anyway, it seems very interesting. Just before I order some samples... Anyone who tried it? *** now I know where safelong got his name from

They might be writing Chance-i's GUI. But I doubt that...

I talked to one of vendoma's representitives a month ago, and was told that the demo on their site only uses Chance-i's GUI. They told me that the cards they use are manufactured for them in Korea, and did not claim that they manufacture them, like many others do. Their site is very good, and provides a lot of information for the newbie. They also have a very nice online customer-support system. Do you have a photo of the card?

Any good brand Intel 865PE based motherboard will do. All the known brands are good for the task. anything more than 256MB and a 2.4Ghz Celeron is a waste of money for a 4 Channel system, unless you intend that more than 1 or 2 users will connect to the system remotely at the same time. In that case a memory increase should be the first step. BTW, I'm testing the very cheap SOYO SY-P4I865PE Plus Dragon2 Version 1.0 now and its' BIOS lacks the option for a restart in case of power loss, although the manual says the board has this option. It's a new board and the issue might be fixed with a new BIOS release, but for now it is not acceptable for a DVR system.

Some vendors cover the chipset with a sticker or a heat sink. You can use WCPUID or Bios Wizard to easily retrieve the CPU and Chipset information. Both does not require any installation, therefore no system changes occur. Here: http://cgi2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~nrklv/cgi-bin/softdl.cgi?wcpu330.exe http://www.unicore.com/biosmd/021801/bwz-rel.exe

you can easily change the look of any application using someting like Resource Hacker: http://www.users.on.net/~johnson/resourcehacker/ Here's comart's link: www.comartsystem.com They aren't cheap, although they do seem quite impressive. Besides the SDK, they can also supply the source code for their applications. Might be a good starting point if you only need minor changes or only a few additional features.

I can just say there aren't any software updates for this product on their site.

It is possible to use the modem in order to connect to another computer and send/recieve information over the phone line even when connected to the internet on the same line via DSL. If your application supports sending those triggers via modem, and the other computer holds an application that would accept those triggers, then I don't see any problem. Anyway, best thing is to test it for yourself

Great idea, didn't think about it....

Does anyone know if there are cards that their bundled software takes advantage of displaying the cameras over multiple monitors?

http://www.anykeeper.com/en/ http://www.magicradar.com If anyone wants, I can upload magic radar user's manual somewhere. From my experience GEO's video quality over the net is better than MagicRadar's. Probably using better image compression/decompression algorithms.

It is possible technically, but I don't know of any DVR software that will support this. Furthermore, if you intend to run it 24/7, it will turn up to be more expensive than upgrading your DSL's upload speed.