Al Drake

hi problem is no name camera ....... just looking at one of your camera specs

 

Description

Criminals are more likely to burglarize your home or business during the night. Purchase the Clover Weatherproof High Resolution Day/Night Color Camera to protect what is important to you both day and night. View crystal clear recordings with the built in Sony chipset and 560 TV lines of resolution. This camera is popular because of its high resolution recording quality and excellent nighttime viewing capabilities.It includes 86 Infrared LEDs enabling users to view up to 120 feet in total darknessClearly view the person driving the suspicious van up to your warehouse entrance after hours or what made the loud sound by your shed or garage. Most night vision applications involve outdoor monitoring and this camera is made for the outdoors with its weather-resistant, rugged steel construction.

 

•Weatherproof camera

•Universal mount

•Rugged steel construction

•Improved circuitry

•77 LED lights

•High resolution produces a clear color picture

•View up to 60 feet in areas of total darkness

•6mm fixed lens

•Includes attached mounting base and 100-ft. cable

 

 

they cant even make there mind up or its spec.

 

also dont just look at how many IRs (best with none at all) the price for each of your listed cameras is because they start with 6mm lens and go to 50mm VF lens

Yes but the difference in price is what I am wondering about along with the IRs and other specs I don't understand like the EFFIO and HAD II.

I don't expect the adds to ever be anything but selling points and misleading hyp.

I am comparing the specs such as the number of IRs and things I know little about such as the Sony HAD II and the Effio on the Analog cameras I will be using and wonder what really matters and what is hype. I know TVL is something that should make a difference but if there is no way to tell the actual definition and if a camera is actually 700 TVL for example or less. I see this camera:

http://www.cctvcamerapros.com/Day-Night-CCTV-Camera-p/bipro-x560vf.htm

•Weatherproof casing for outdoor surveillance

•560 Lines of resolution

•150 infrared LEDs illuminate up to 100 meters (300 feet)

•1/3" Color Sony CCD (Super HAD)

•5-50mm vari-focal DC auto-iris lens

•Bracket & 1.5 amp Power Supply Included

and this for a fraction of the price:

http://47digitalcamera.shopping365now.com/brand-new-q1c1-700tv-lines-high-resolution-camera-84ir-sony-effio-5-50mm-vari-focal-lens-license-plate-camera-store-show-more-product-information/

1/3" SONY Effio CCD, Color DSP, Automatic CDS sensor

700 TV Lines high resolution. 84 LED IR Illuminators for night vision

License Plate camera ,ir Night distance up to 250 ft, Construction: Aluminum.

Build-in 5 ~ 50mm Vari-Focal Lens, 0 Lux ( IR LED ON)

and this:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200342908_200342908?srccode=cii_16079562&cpncode=31-77490593-2

So is it fair to say that the more IR lights the further you view at night? Are there different intensity bulbs and can they be interchanged to add a larger aray making one camera better?

Thanks for any comments.

Al.

CAT3 (Telco cable) can be used to transport video using baluns or active devices. The caveats are that the pair must be used for only video (no sharing with telephone or intercom) and that you can expect more interference on the line and in the video due to the reduced number of twists in the cable.

 

Also, the wire must be point-to-point. If your telephone line is wired in a "star" configuration (from a common point like in your garage to multiple rooms), you will likely get ghosts in the video. CCTV transport is not the same as audio. Unterminated lines cause major problems. You will have to find a way to get the cable straight from the camera to the DVR without any sidetracks.

 

By the way, both CAT3 (Telco) and CAT5 are 100-120 ohm cables and can be terminated with baluns. Baluns aren't that sensitive to impedance anyway. I've seen video transport on 18/2 and the picture looks OK. This is common in elevators.

Great. Thanks. I am not sure what condition or configuration the cable is actually in. I tested the connectivity by connecting my Vonage modem to one jack on the third floor and attached a phone to two different phone jacks on the first floor with success. There are a few jacks in different locations that show nothing so I will simply have to see what happens.

Al.

video signal requires significantly higher bandwidth and at a higher frequency than audio/phone/intercom.

 

Baluns also match to Cat5 cable, phone cable will have different twist ratio and different impedance so you will have an impedance mismatch.

 

But a couple of baluns are cheap enough if you want to try it.

I have Baluns and have been assembling cat5 cables lately and thought phone line was more or less the same. It sure looks the same so I thought most any wires would work if there were baluns used for impedance matching. I have some pre-made cable I am using that looks like simple two conductor wire but it was made for CCTV. Not RG59 shielded and not cat5. It has BNC connectors on each end but I have never stripped it to see what it consisted of. I guess it must be the same impendence as RG59 but I am not sure. I don't see any baluns anywhere

I wonder if anyone here has done this and am thinking of giving it a try. I have an old home with existing unused phone line running to every room and wonder if I could use this line to carry video signal if I used balins and make an adaptor that just plugs right in. Right now I am using wireless 5.8 GHz transmitters/receivers but this might be an alternative. This just seems to simple so I am asking is there something I am missing or would this actually work? There is no connection to the outside and I have used this line for wired intercom and it works fine so no reason why I can't transmit camera signal to DVR or signal from DVR to external monitor for viewing in any room.

Al.

A DVR is just needed if you want to record what it being seen through the camera. If the output is composite through a BNC you can just get an BNC to RCA adapter and hook it up to your TV and have a picture to the TV but it will only be live video feed since nothing is being recorded.

 

A cheap D1 DVR by itself is not much. At Microcenter you can purchase a 4 channel DVR for about $70 and add in a hard drive to store the video feed for about another $50 for a 500GB drive which could store over a month's worth of video from a single camera. I bet they are even cheaper online considering I see a whole kit with DVR and 4 Cameras with all the wiring for about $120 on eBay and a hard drive is just another $50 or so depending on how much storage you want.

 

Most of the newer DVR's will also allow motion detection features and network connected features to view over the internet.

I've got a VCR and some tapes I can let go cheap. I still have a few complete systems stashed I can through in cameras and all for free.

I've been trying to grab some shots of the progress of this storm. I'm wiped now, but I'll post more in this thread. My car is in my driveway under there somewhere.

 

[attachment=0]Car buried in snow.JPG[/attachment]

I just got in from cleaning my driveway since 7 am, that would be 6 hours, my wife wanted some pictures taken to send to her SIL in Georgia. I handed her a camera and said "knock yourself out" but she complained of a message saying "The batteries are exhausted" do you have any fresh ones?

Dear Al,

 

Sorry for late reply you. And it is bad to hear you get bad service. Actually, they are ask China factory made all line of products. RMA for China factory always is pain of ass to every one who purchased from there.

 

Lets leave it aside, as you stated you are happy new one camera but how it is for capture License Plate which you posted in fiest thread.

 

Would you mind sharing result if possible.

 

Cheers,

Hello Joseph and thank you for your reply. I do like this HD-IR9884VF-G-0550 5=50mm. (Q1C1 700TV Lines High Resolution camera 84IR Sony Effio 5-50mm Vari-Focal Lens license Plate camera) so far it's the best camera I have. I am looking at my monitor now and it's very bright and almost looks like daylight.(4AM here) I have two other cameras mounted in the same direction but show just about nothing as it's aimed down the street. I can see up to ten houses until the street curves off. I haven't had time to do anything in the line of really testing it. Maybe that will come today as I will be staying home waiting for that big storm to hit New England later in the day. I will post back when I have something to add. It's operating at the factory settings but I can say the cars all have plates illuminated beyond recognition and the camera is almost wasted out by the headlights so there must be some settings I need to apply before this works as advertised.

I wish there was a way to extend these OSD controls or move them to the location of the DVR. I now have all my cameras mounted just outside windows to I can easily retrieve them for adjustments.

Regards.

Al.

That DVR records in D1 from the cameras but setting the output from the DVR to the monitor as high as it'll go will give you higher resolution and better clarity when viewing multiple cameras on one screen. As well, there might be some benefit for retaining a normal aspect ratio on displayed video by trying different display resolutions and/or aspect ratios. You don't want visiting supermodels to look fat when you play them back.

Good point and thanks for the heads up.

My mini cctv camera has a female dc power connector. I already have 25m power cable in place from a previous camera, but the cable finishes on a metal plate with a female phono plug. I need to connect the camera's female dc connector to the female phono plug on the plate. Does anyone know of an adapter/connector available for this?

Phono connectors are used for sound so I would be careful you have the right connections. If you supplied more information on exactly what models you have or some photos it would be easier to answer your question.

Hello.

 

Can anyone tell me what kind of lens is able to capture fine details of a subject in the field of view of the camera lens ? Fine details like being able to tell the time on someone's watch who is standing 5-8 feet from the camera or able to read a document that someone is reading ? I know that these types of lens do exist because security cameras used by Casinos deploy this technology. I just don't know what they call it ?

 

Anyone ?

 

Thanks

Expensive. You can bet on it.

Yesterday, I noticed one of my cameras was in black & white at sun-up. I adjusted the settings on the OSD and got the color back.

This am it is back to B&W.

 

What setting on the OSD menu actually controls this?

 

Thanks,

VC

Day&Night set to auto as far as I can see. I am looking here now

I guess they are a big deal now that Sam's sells them. I think they're found in the toys section.

 

I checked their website, they don't sell Q-See IP cameras. Lots of places sell Q-See analog products, but it was Costco that was unique in selling the IP cameras. The best is Costco Canada that sells the 1080P Q-See cameras.

Yes, you are right. I meant Costco and not Sams. I'm buying more and more from Amazon as they have a great return policy and never gave me the run around I got from Q-See.

I have 8 now and will be upgrading them all as time goes on. Eventually I hope to have the best that this DVR will support. I will be adding as much storage as possible as soon as I figure out which are the best and fastest drives.

 

SATA II will be fine with 8 cameras.

 

Best,

Christopher

I ordered a 2TB drive and it seems most advertised are SATA III. Now I have to learn how to best save space by configuring the DVR more efficiently.

I've never carried or sold Q-See, don't know anything about them. Are they one of the " Edge Technology" vendors?. Intersting to hear that they would challenge you.

I guess they are a big deal now that Sam's sells them. I think they're found in the toys section.

This is a "cool" thread - haha. It's good to here from all over what cameras will do when pushed to the edge of the specs. I have found more problems with wiring/ NVTs/ mounts, etc. than with the cameras themselves. We do a cold storage facility here and we have many Panasonic analog domes in the freezer area. Roughly 0 deg F ( whatever FDA temp. is ) and they have heaters - been installed for 3-4 years now and not one failure. Went out to refocus once but nothing else.

I've got some that have been covered in ice and huge ice cycles hanging from them and they still work fine. One did start to leak but I replaced the O-ring and now it's fine. I have had some on my roof that get completely covered in snow each winter and keep working fine year after year. I just got a Q-See that is not doing so fine while the support guy is giving me a hard time about it being effected by weather and threatened me with it not being covered by warentee if it gets exposed to the "elements" while it didn't even get wet. So I guess it depends on the camera. I'm not too happy with Q-see right about now and don't mind spreading that around.

what's the differences between IP camera and CCTV camera? where they can be used?

 

 

 

CCTV CONs:

Resolution stay max cap at 720 x 576 (D1). Anything higher will be a different system like SDI etc. But they are even more expensive than IP cameras.

Tons of cable. If you are running a 16ch or 32ch, you are like having 32 cables running back to DVRs. It is also more tedious if you need to add cameras last minutes as you need to run the cables from cameras back to DVR again.

I have a Q-See QT518 and have set the Video Output to VGA 1280X1024 without really knowing why. Just because I figured higher is better I guess. Does this mean my DVR is SDI? (not really knowing what that means). Is there a place where I can learn as much as I can without having to read endlessly on forums like this one?

Thanks for any guidance.

Al.

In analog you'd probably want something in a PT or preferably PTZ to be able to adjust it from the DVR. PTZs are the ultimate adjust on the fly cams. I've never had a need that seemed to justify the cost for my applications so I've never bought any or really researched them. I'm interested in your experiences with the LPR cam you got. It's got a good zoom on it which is important. Everything else it says doesn't really mean a thing until you try it out.

I just installed it tonight and I can say it's a lot better than that QD6504B. I know now for sure I will never buy another Q-See camera again. I had to jump through hoops to get support to give me an RMA and was told the warrantee would be void it the camera was "exposed to the elements"

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"If the camera is in direct contact with elements this would be a good reason. The cameras are weatherproof which means they can be outside, but need to be under and eve or simply not in contact with the elements. If rain or moisture gets on the camera this will cause the fogging you are describing.

Is the camera behind any glass or inside any enclosure? The second image looks like it is behind something.

Unfortunately if the camera is in direct contact with the elements the RMA dept will be able to determine this and the camera will not be covered under warranty.

If the camera is housed or has not been in contact with elements, then we can RMA the camera. Just follow the steps below.

Please follow the steps in the link below to complete the RMA form.

http://qsee.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/104653/1356656376/redirect/1/filename/RMA_Procedure.pdf

If you need further assistance with setting up your system, please reply to the email of what sections on the documentation you need help on and how I can further assistance you.

This incident will self-close to solved within 3 business days, however, you can reply to the email to reopen your incident.

Be sure to check our support site at http://www.q-see.com/support for updates about your DVR.

Thank you for contacting Q-see Support.

Brendon Welch"

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Now I have to wait to see what their determination is before I find out if I get squat for a defective device. If I had purchased anything from Amazon it would already been in the return mail no questions asked.

I’ll have time to evaluate this camera the first time I see daylight on Sunday but I am optimistic. It already looks fine right out of the box at factory settings.

The haze on the Q-See is an indication of its defects.

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Now I have to wait to see what thier determination is before I find out if I get squat for a defective device. If I had purchased anything from Amazon it would already been in the return mail no questions asked.

I'l have time to evaluate this camera the first time I see daylight on Sunday but I am optimistic. It already looks fine right out of the box at factory settings.

The haze on the Q-See is an indication of it's defects.

Al

 

As you stated, I think maybe you need to searching some cameras which built-in true Day and night ICR , OSD and RS-485 protocol which allow you remote function(i.e. Zoom, slow shutter...) via DVR. As well as, equipped Vari-focal Auto-Iris lens which will gaining better picture.

Thanks for your suggestions. Do you have anything in mind that I could select from?

So far my first Q-See is going back as soon as the support guy gets done with me and sees it is defective.

Today my newest camera arrived. Maybe you could give me your opinion on this selection.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0074AMXOU/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

Thanks.

Al.

I figured the Sata drives were downward compatable but wondered if any DVR would support the speed of the Sata III. I guess not.

 

How many cameras are you planning to attach to your Q-See?

 

Best,

Christopher

I have 8 now and will be upgrading them all as time goes on. Eventually I hope to have the best that this DVR will support. I will be adding as much storage as possible as soon as I figure out which are the best and fastest drives.

From the q-see specs- Supports 3 SATA HDD up to 6 TB

 

That would indicate it supports 2TB HD's, up to three of them.

OK, thanks Shockwave. I guess it doesn't matter what make. It seems I usually end up with Seagate which is what I will go with in this case.

Regards.

Al

I can't find anything about limits on size and anything about Sata II or III. I would think there aren't any DVR boards used that are capable of Sata III yet. I kn ow Windows has a hard time with the larger HDDs but from what I understand these DVRs run on Linux.

 

I have a Linux based RAID storage that is limited to 2 TB drives. SATA III should be compatible with a SATA II port. I don't know why your drive will not format, but my initial guess would be the size of the drive and not the SATA III.

 

Best,

Christopher

I figured the Sata drives were downward compatable but wondered if any DVR would support the speed of the Sata III. I guess not.

Thanks for the help.

A DVR works with and records only analog cameras. It's called "digital" because it digitizes the analog footage and saves it to HD. An NVR works only with network (IP) cameras (or possibly analog cameras hooked to an IP encoder that makes them act like network cams to the NVR). You need a hybrid to use both analog and network cameras in the same system. Your QSee doesn't support megapixel cameras of any kind. When you see "network", "digital", h.264, etc mentioned with that DVR it refers to what it does with the digitized analog signal that it gets from the analog D1 resolution cameras. Megapixel network cameras capture much more detail than a D1 analog system.

Great explanation and I thank you very much. For me the D1 is all I need and that's good in a way because I know I won't be ordering any of those over the top cameras that I really don't need.

Now if I can find some of the best that I can use I will be happy. I am still trying to get the mm factor into my head and translate that to what I want to view in different spots. I see some awfully cheap cameras out there is scares me to even think of wasting time and money now that I got a taste of the one I will be sending back. The QD6504B I found out today even gets washed out in the sun so that I total junk. I was thinking of this one:

http://www.cctvsecuritypros.com/prhirevaspli.html

But I did order this:

Q1C1 700TV Lines High Resolution camera 84IR Sony Effio 5-50mm Vari-Focal Lens license Plate camera

I am looking for one that I can adjust remotely from the location of the DVR that is not too big. I don't think I can install large domes.

Have any suggestions?

Thanks.

Al

Can anyone tell me if the Q-See DVR (518) uses Sata 2 or Sata 3? I installed a Sata III 3 TB Seagate that refuses to format so this time I would like some ideas of a large HDD that will be sure to work. Can others tell me which ones they use successfully?

Thanks for any replies.

Al

 

The issue *could* be related to size. For example, some devices will only work with drives up to 2TB.

 

Best,

Christopher

I can't find anything about limits on size and anything about Sata II or III. I would think there aren't any DVR boards used that are capable of Sata III yet. I kn ow Windows has a hard time with the larger HDDs but from what I understand these DVRs run on Linux.

Does this DVR have the capability of using MP cameras and IP cameras? I am trying to carefully select something that will give good results. So far I am not happy with the Q-See line of cameras and don't mind spending a little more for private home applications. I don't see anything in the user manual saying there are any limitations and still don't know the complete difference between a DVR and NVR.

Thanks for any replies.

Al.