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got some like this http://www.discount-electrical.co.uk/product.php/19722447/ac4c-white-4-core-low-voltage-alarm-cable-100m-reel it looks thin ,is it best to double it up how long in meters can i run 12v power with this 4 core alarm cable doubled up and whats the max i can run shotgun cable 12v power can i use the alarm cable for ptz rs485? cheers

hi tom do you know what will be a good way to sent dvr out to new tv's if the tv still has the uhf 21 to 69 band will i have to have the analog modulator down stairs then put in the areal in then back out to the tv cheers

thanks i can get alarm cable from city electrical so will use that can i use the alarm cable for the rs485 to the ptz's cheers

hi where would you install cameras on this shape building can use upto 6 fixed cameras or 5 fixed and 1 cheep ptz plenty of light at front and left side but no light at right or back also what cameras would be good to use £600 camera budget cheers building is 200 feet x 60 feet

not for my friend yet my friend for the house and large building above is thinking of 2 x apollo 8 hd's and we are going to see a local instaler to price all the cameras and cable and power suplys e.c.t tomorrow we are in the uk wheres a good place to buy from at a good resonable rate and what price do we need to be paying for an apollo hd 8 channel 500 or 1000 gb? thanks for all your help and advice

thanks for the sugestions ill take them on board will have to have extra cameras if possible a couple of extra varifocal to zoom in on the hot spots what about this also the house max 6 fixed cameras or 2 ptz and 2 fixed there is a upvc conservatory to the right garden cheers

a better picture of the building if thats any better

can anyone tell me if the apollo 4 channel hd dvr are any good can get one for around £200 have these got rs485? also are these cameras any good (15-CM453VI, 15-CM453VIC, 15-CM463VI) http://www.cop-eu.com/acatalog/All_in_One_Cameras.html cheers also is the dvr any good for networking with a dinamic ip address do you have to have dns service cheers

if you are fitting a cctv dvr system with 4 to 8 cameras on a large house and the dvr is going in a room downstairs how would you go about installing all the wires to the dvr do you install the wires all on the outside of the house and run the cable down the wall and then drill 4 to 8 holes for the cable to get to the dvr cheers

the cameras are going on the outside and then 1 or 2 will be fitted later on the inside its just the outside for now there is a carpark to left of the building just open land around the rest of it all way round the outside needs to be covered to protect whats inside there is open land on 3 sides and carpark on 1 . thanks for any sugestions would this be ok or can it be planed better

couldnt get out with the snow to have a look at them but for 70 quid each second hand im going to give these a try ill let you know if they are ok http://www.camsecure.co.uk/TripleIR.html cheers

hi mate the one i setup last week was this one http://www.adata.co.uk/Catalogue/DVR/Apollo-HD-Lite/8-Channel/APOLLO-HD-8-Lite-DVD-Sata-500Gig-HDD-APOLLOS-HDLITE8-500 this is the one im thinking of buying for myself http://www.adata.co.uk/Catalogue/DVR/Apollo-HD/4-Channel/Apollo-HD-4-Channel-Sata-DVR-500gb-HDD-APOLLOS-HD4-500 ill ask him to set one of the £70 cameras up to his tv and look at the quality before i buy what sort of money would i have to spend for a decent ir camera i would prefer a vandle dome one are the qvis cameras good quality? thanks for your relpy

hi just found the cameras and prices on another web site http://www.nabishi.net/acatalog/Infra_Red_Cameras.html camera 19 and 20 down on the list 90 each need to know if they are any good as im going to have a look tomorrow also there is some other ones 17th and 18th camera down does anyone know if these are any good they are 70 each second hand also is the apollo hd 4 chan worth 200 new in box cheers

thanks for the sugestions i think the easyest for me is to use shotgun rg59 and run all the wires into the loft then out onto the outside wall and down to where the dvr is located and then use some 1" conduit or wire mold down the outside wall i think im better using metal conduit as it would be a bit more theft resistant i have found this http://www.tradingdepot.co.uk/DEF/product/!!GC37!!/A006004/Electrical%20Supplies/Conduit%20/%20PVC%20&%20Steel%20Conduit/Steel%20Channel/Galvanised%20Steel%20Channel%2037mm%202m any better sugestions can the wires be run from the loft internaly to the dvr room or do the wires have to go onto the outside wall? cheers

Finaly got it working thanks to all that helped me i followed the instructions that SEANHAWG gave me and it worked first time a massive thankyou to rory , tomcctv and SEANHAWG thanks " title="Applause" /> port 80 was not blocked so i used that with 37777 cheers

hi i have made a new post with this question as i posted at the bottom of my other post i wont know his router type or isp untill tuesday im wanting to set an appolo lite 8 dvr to the network so my friend can view his cameras from home (cameras are at his yard with internet conection and computer) is this whats needed set this section below at his yard http://www.adata.co.uk/support/documents/ApolloandZeusDVRNetworkSetupGuideXPONLY.pdf then at his home open needed ports on his router (37777)(80) and install the apollo dvr network software PSS v4.04 and input the requred info into the dvr software thanks for any help

thanks rory if i cant get it going tomorrow ill take you up on that thankyou for the offer

will do mate im going back to my friends yard tommorrow and im not coming home untill i get it thanks

the yard internal ip is 192.168.xxx.xx i pinged there router and found an unused ip on there lan 192.168.1xx.xx this is what i put into the dvr along with the routers subnet mask and defualt gateway when i was trying to port forward the fritz router i think i was clicking a drop down box and the computers internal ip address 192.168.xxx.xx was already there and i think i choose that ip address instead of the ip address 192.168.xxx.xx i put into the dvr i couldnt find anything called services here are the instructions for the fritz http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/FRITZ/WLAN7170-EN/default.htm so i forward the ports in the router to the dvr's ip address that i pinged talktalk told us today that the yards ip address is static so that good (dont have to use no-ip.com) thanks for your help ill post back and let you lnow how i get on sorry to be a pain but its the first time seting dvr's up and networking

hi mate what i pinged was the router to find a ip thats not being used on the site LAN to use in the dvr i will change the dvr HTTP to 88 and also try to forward port 88 but the part whats confusing me is the portforwarding in the Zyxel router i goto network, then nat,then portforwarding, service name ,drop down box to used define, then name it dvr tick the active box put in my port i want, 88 (and also do the same again for 37777 after) then it asks for the server ip address what ip address do i need to enter here the yards internal ip address or the yards external ip address or the ip address i used on the dvr? thanks

hi i think i have nealy got it sorted i read that the pss software, to acces the dvr local you have to put the ip that i pinged at the site and changed the last 2 or 3 digits and then login (got it working on the sites computer) now when i checked with canyouseeme at the site this morning the port was not open 37777 and i cant open it i got it open yesterday but checked this morning and its not i also got told that to acces the cameras from home (external) then i have to put the sites external ip address in the dvr pss software from home and login this wont work as i cant open port 37777 im going to try another router i have a d link and a zyXEKL p-660hw-t1 v2 how can i test these routers at home and check if i can open ports with them? cheers

hi his router is Fritz Box wlan 7170 amd he is with talktalk talktalk wont give support for port forwarding and said they dont block any ports i have port forwarded 37777 and confirmed it with canyouseeme im there today to have another go at it thanks for the help again all of you

how do i check if he has a static ip and not dynamic and what ip do i put into the dvr if accesing the dvr from outside his LAN, the one i pinged or the external ip address if its static? also i just signed up for a free account with no-ip.com it says its free for non heavy traffic use there are some settings in the apollo dvr to enter the no-ip.com settings i could only open port 37777 not 80 today used canyouseeme.org is this ok for just accesing the cameras through the pss software and not Http port 80 or can i change port 80 in the dvr to something els then he can logon with Http this setup has given me a headache thanks for your replys

i think i have got mixed up a little with which router to port forward the camera system is at the work site and i want to view to the cameras at my friends home i was opening ports on the home router not the work router where the dvr is i have been back to the work site and opened port 37777 tcp but still cannot acces the cameras from home with the pss software how do i know if he has a dynamic or static ip address does this matter,i think the ip address is assigned automatic with the router

hi cant get it working i pluged the ethernet cable into the dvr and pinged an ip address to put into the dvr along with the correct subnet mask and default gate way and loged into the dvr as admin and changed the password then pinged the dvr ip address and got 4 replys these are the settings in the dvr software title = dvr description = DDNS enable = not ticked ip = 192.168.17x.xx model = the second protocol user = admin password = xxxxxxxx login type = network type tcp port = 37777 type = dvr confirm passwordxxxxxxxx any idea's thanks