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I am currently trying to decide between 2 great IP cameras: the Bosch NDC-274-PM or AXIS P3364-LVE...The Bosch is 720P, but has a 1/3" CCD. The Axis is 1080P with Lightfinder, but a 1/4" CMOS. The Axis is 2x the cost of the Bosch. I am trying to establish a perimeter on a large house, with a pool house and a separate garage. Most of the cameras will be looking out from each building, with some criss crossing. The yards are big. I planned to use an external IR illuminator from Axis for night time in low light areas. As far as Bosch cameras go, their 1080p CMOS cameras price the same as their 720p CCD cameras.... Bosch NDC-274-PM or AXIS P3364-LVE -15 cameras installed in soffits around the whole property (20ft in the air). The Bosch flush mounts, the Axis does not. 1. How is the night time, low-light image quality between these 2 IP Cameras? 2. If the Axis has lots more resolution, I realize you can zoom in later - for the same price I can buy twice the number of Bosch cameras and flush mount them? 3. How do you all weigh the Bosch 720p CCD and the Axis 1/4" CMOS...I know both companies are great, both cameras are probably great. Labor is a set price, and I am looking to use this job in my brochure - so I am not worried about more work. I'm looking for the best 15-20 camera system I can get where the materials are within the $15-$20k price range (not including DVRs and flash memory). Any help or recommendations would be appreciated! Thanks

OK, I think I found the camera to use instead of either the Bosch or the Axis. What do you all think of the Pelco M10LW10-1E over the other 2? This is an IP camera, 1.2MP, has an IR cut filter, varifocal, and is outdoor? Pelco M10LW10-1E is around $700-$800 online.

Buellwinkle - Actually, I read your review on the Axis Camera without lightfinder. That is what got me interested in the Axis....but they are literally twice the cost. I almost think I should just double the # of cameras and have nearly full overlap on everything.

I originally planned on using an AverMedia DVR. The house has 4 original analog cameras, so I liked the idea of using the Hybdrid DVR. I was going to use Bosch VDN-244 720TVL Dome cameras to replace the old analogs....these run about $300 from B&H. Is there a better option than AverMedia? I have about 10 Aver DVRs running and they are reliable, but this is the first time I am going to be pushing this many high quality cameras. I could run the Aver for the old analog, and some sort of IP software for the remainder? Any recs? The Axis' camera is 1080P...not sure if that means 2MP. Axis also makes a 5MP camera in the same series, but it does not have the light finder. My main concern is these people can see their yard in darkness...and thermal is out of the price range. Thanks for the interest guys! This job will be my showpiece job, so I really need it to be great.

I am currently working on a project as a general contractor and the CCTV is installing a 16 camera system, 15 of which are mounted under soffits @ about 25ft. in the air shooting all different directions from the house. I am looking to for something can provide high quality video for the homeowner and that is reliable, because I will need to service this system for the next 3 years. Thanks in advance. The CCTV company wants to use Digital Watchdog Cameras with a Digital Watchdog DVR. He is planning: (16) DIGITAL WATCHDOG DWC-IV3377WTIR DIGITAL COLOR VANDAL DOME CAMERA These cameras are $460-$480 right now. They are 560 TVL and have a CCD image sensor, which the contractor says is superior than CMOS sensors.....My concern is that these are not 1 MP cameras and by spending a little bit more on megapixel IP cameras, the quality will be much better.... In the past I have used ACTi IP cameras and Toshiba IP PTZ Cams. This is a residential application with total darkness areas near water, yards, etc. The contractor says the DWD CCD sensor is going to be better than the CMOS sensors in the ACTi or Toshibas AND that the 560 TVL will not appear much different than a 1MP+ Ip camera. What do you all think? Does anyone have any experience with these cameras as alternatives to the Digital Watchdog Camera? I was considering these cameras as budget IP cameras of better quality. Please let me know what you all think of these cameras or if you have any suggestions. Dome or Bullet are both ok, as long as it is not obtrusive. 1. Toshiba IK-WR12A Surveillance/Network Camera - Color - 3x Optical - CMOS - $550 2. Toshiba IK-WR14A Surveillance/Network Camera - 3x Optical - CMOS - Fast Ethernet $530 4. Vivotek FD8134V H.264 Vandal-proof IP66 Dome Network Camera $290 5. Vivotek IP7361 Network camera - fixed - outdoor - weatherproof $470 6. ACTi TCM-1111 Network camera - fixed - outdoor - weatherproof $290 I have total about $10K in the budget for the materials of the system. If we go with Toshiba or ACTi IP cams, I can save some money over the Digital Watchdog DVR and go with an AVERMedia DVR. I do realize I will need a PoE switch for the cameras if they are IP (another $700). Can we get great quality video recording using Analog Cameras and BNC connectors, or do we need to get IP cameras? Are these Digital Watchdog Cameras far superior in low light and motion applications than the ACTi or Toshiba? Is it because of the CCD? What other good budget cameras can we use? I have used Xavee and Enforcer analog cameras - both of which do not have a picture that is on par with the ACTi IP Cams. Thanks for the advice.

Thanks a lot! I have been using Avermedia Hybrid DVRs for some time now and their new line is about $2,000 with 16 channel D1 recording. I installed it into my office and everyone loves it. I plan to use a $700 Dell PoE switch which can do all 16 cameras. I ran Cat6A shielded Foiled twisted pair from directron.com plan to do direct POE over the cable. This cable is $160/1000ft and is heavy as rope. Any recommendation for an outdoor Dome or Bullet camera?

Also I agree, it's going to look ridiculous with that many cameras. He wants to see or record everything, is there another way?

Thanks a lot for your reply. Do you need a ir. blaster for each camera? Can you recommend a good mp camera and Ir blaster to use outside? In those prices ranges. Thanks again.