AaronHolio

Shockwave, I will have to check. Right now I have the 32 channel system all prepped to an install .. In other words everything lying on a floor and I have all cameras record all the time but also flag motion events for flagging.

I did buy one of the HiKvision 3mp cameras and it seems to work fine with the 32 channel Dahua model I got from n e l l y security .com, I think there may only be a couple camera attributes that you can't control from the Dahua interface but I'm not certain yet. For that you can login via the web interface. The picture quality is really clear. You can tell the crisp difference between it and the 1080p (2mp) Dahua cameras. I actually bought a 16 port Trendnet gbit PoE switch http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3441IG/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 to put everyone on my LAN (which is the NVR's WAN side) so I can directly connect to them via web browser and do more detailed configuration. HiK has more mature software for controlling the camera as well as a pretty decent Software based NVR recording suite. However I prefer a dedicated device managing/recording my cameras vs a PC.

I don't have time yet to write a really good review. But I can say the QC828 does do a decent job at handling 8 1080 cameras at once. It has been upgraded to Web Server 3.0 which is a HUGE improvement over the Web Service 2.0 piece of junk. You have to remember to go into Internet explorer and turn off active filtering for the sites you want to use it with or nothing will work. However I still wasn't happy. 240FPS really means you get about 20-25fps per camera and it still doesn't pack the horse power that they could have spent an extra $15 bucks adding. Luckily I found a Dauha reseller (ok for some reason I can't post a the URL here????, so the web address spread out) n e l l e y s s e c u r i t y . com ...and ended up going with their 32 camera 8 PoE port Dahua model (Remember Q-see is just repackaged Dahua equipment stripped to be the cheapest. So I ended up paying a bit more from N e l l y and getting the manly version of the device. I put 2 4TB drives in it and it is handling all the live data I can feed it without dropping a frame. It even supports 3 and 5 megapixel cameras very well.. Its limit is 160mbit of total throughput, so think of it this way. a 720p 1.3mp camera runs around 6mbit, a 1080p 2.0mp camera does about 8-9mbit, and 3mp does between 10-12mbit. I've displayed 20 1080p cameras and 1 3mp camera on a 1080p 50" LED TV and it is utterly beautiful. Clear as a bell. So I'm going to sell my QC804 and QC828 and go with the EySurv-ESDV-NVR-32-32-channel-nvr with 8 PoE ports. I bought a 16 port PoE ethernet switch and will leave the on board PoE ports empty because I prefer to have my cameras all on the local LAN so I can hit their web interface and make custom changes that the NVR doesn't really allow you do to. Then you just go into remote devices and find the 1080p cams on the LAN side and adopt that as you wish. I've discovered that allowing all your cameras to get DHCP addresses doesn't always work out for the best, so I set my router to stop offering DHCP addresses above 192.168.0.199 - then hard setting the NVR to .200 and each camera .201 .202 .203 etc so in case your router ever loses a DHCP lease, you'll have them all manually set and easy to adopt in the remote devices section of the NVR. I was so glad that Ryan at n e l l y s security sent me an email after reading one of my posts on youtube complaining as to why Dahua produces high end versions, but Q-See puts out the wimpiest 3 year old models. I finally have the NVR I want and will be installing it for 3 more of my clients in the coming months. While you still can get the Dahua (Q-see) 1080p cameras for a little cheaper from Costco, you can get HikVision 3mp cameras from n e l l y for cheaper, which do work with the Dahua NVR pretty well. Personally I'm looking forward to the 5mp cameras.. The 3mp is a definite improvement over the 2mp 1080p models, but your frame rate will drop to 20fps unless you put them in 1080p mode - which is still a bonus because it does provide a cleaner and more crisp picture. Thew views I'm getting off these units is spectacular. N e l l y s secutiry They are very helpful and they don't wait around like Q-See to release the good stuff. Very responsive and helpful with great advice. So I'm gonna sell my QC804 and QC828.

I'm ordering a system this week before the sale goes off on Costco.com. Note this is a one month deal with about 2.5 weeks left. Before taking it to the install site I'm going to fully set it up here at home and make SURE it is really doing 240FPS on all 8 channels @ 1080P. If not, back to Costco it will go. I really wish they had the 16 channel 480FPS 1080p system already. That is really what we need. So what we'll likely do is install this one, wait till late next year when the new 16 channel version comes out, buy it and swap the 8 channel to my house and put the 16 channel at our business site.

Older slower model with 720p cameras. Not the 8 camera 1080p on the Costco deal. Not exactly true. Due to the compression method, recording all cameras non-stop does not mean they have a fixed bit rate. I have 6+ months of 4 720 cameras recorded on my 4 720p camera system because while it may save a frame per second to the HD when little to nothing changes, it only records full bit rate to the HD when there is motion. Basically the difference in this system is, they boosted the broadcom chip that does the mp4 decoding from the cameras, and possibly used a better main ARM processor. In any case, whenever Q-See states 30FPS, you can actually expect about 20fps. My QC804, at best gets 15-20fps with all 4 cameras displaying via HDMI monitor. If Q-See where a more robust company, they would put a little head room in. So instead of this having 240FPS @ 1080p, they could have rounded up to 300FPS and really had a solid product. So what this product release means is that we will likely see a 16 channel 480FPS 16-PoE port system around October-December of 2014. Likely to be around $2000. Tip for you all on Android, buy IP Cam Viewer Pro on Good Play market. It is $4 and far more stable and functional that the crap Q-See makes available. Their PC PSS software is absolute junk. CMS doesn't work for crap. And their web interface only works in Internet Explorer AFTER you turn off ActiveX filtering in your security tab of IE. If you use FireFox, install IE Tab Plugin 4.x and add your site to always open using IE engine and it should work ok. If Q-See was a decent company, these NVR units would work in any browser. They could at a minimum release a add-on for FireFox and Chrome. That being said, this isn't too bad of a deal since they upgraded the HD to 2TB and the cameras to 1080p. Another thing that is VERY important, the camera lens is 65-70 degrees view. The 720p cameras were only 45 deg. Which makes covering an area that is close to your camera very limited.

I flashed to the latest firmware. They provide a single update.bin for all the models (804 808 and 8016). It is all the same hardware, they just make you pay hundreds more for a software encoded switch. Ridiculous. If they'd just put in a faster ARM processor (which are super cheap and fast thanks to them being used in just about every smart phone) and the TI chip which does the decoding of the cameras into the NVR. Honestly, I wish a company would come up with a new cheap NVR box, with an ARM processor running Android for the operating system. A good clean modern interface with lots of future firmware/software upgrades. If Q-See doesn't offer a serious upgrade to their new NVR line I'm going to have to look to another brand.

I got my 4 channel kit at Costco for $599 over a year ago.. and I contacted their sales dept and they have very low chance of selling the qc808 or qc8016 at Costco anytime soon. Which is disappointing because I prefer to buy from costco and all the hardware of the 804 - 808 - 8016 has been confirmed to be the exact same performance, it is nothing more than a software switch that they charge a whole lot more for.. The total FPS is the same on all units.. And they say 30FPS, but often you get about 15FPS even on the main display.. It is really too bad they didn't put a better/faster set of chips in the unit.. Much more is discussed on these threads viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32554 viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33075 viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33196

Looks like the QC804 is available again at Costco (back in stock), but according to Q-See, they have no plans to sell the 8016 there. Too bad. It seems Costco had the best prices and I have 2 sites that I was waiting on the 8016 for. Q-See's store wants $3000 for an 8016 with 12 cameras, and a few other sites are selling it for $1700 with 8 702p cameras. https://www.google.com/search?q=QC8016 I do see a small trend that the QCN8001D 1080p cameras are slowly coming down in price.

Oh there it is. http://qsee.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1877 Looks like they made it a single update.bin (14.4MB) for all 3 models. Doesn't look like it does too much unless you are running cameras other than their branded models. This Firmware has the following fixes and functions: - 1. Improves ONVIF IP Camera support

I don't see it on their site. Are they only giving it out upon request? I'd sure like it if someone attempted to use the 8016 firmware on the 804 since from what everyone can tell, it is all the same hardware. viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33196&p=217187#p217187

Thx for the input. From a CPU perspective, it seems the specs are the same. There is a high probability they are also using a hardware decoder card for displaying video, but i haven't had a chance to check yet. I think someone mentioned it was a broadcom h.264 decoder chip. The debate may be if it is any different in the 804 808 or 8016. Since Q-See states the same total unit frame rate for all models, it is pretty likely the same chip. On another note, I see Costco is out of stock on the 804.. So perhaps we'll see the 8016 in time. Even tho Q-See said it would be at Costco first of the year.

Hello everyone, my first time here. I recently purchased the Q-see 8016 NVR package with 720P cameras from Costco. As I've read in other posts, some people are having the same problem as me with the IR LED's flashing on and off. I assume this is most likely due to the CDS light sensor cell catching the light from the LEDs creating a loop where it can't decide if it is daylight or not. And by looking closer into the internals of it, I think I can see why. The light sensor is picking up light in the visible spectrum before it even exits the glass lens. But it typically won't do this as long as you have the camera mounted up far away where it tends not to catch the light. In an attempt to see if I could modify it somehow, I completely disassembled on unit. Unfortunately I found no decent solution as of yet. I even unplugged the LED board (4 conductor cable) in the hopes that I could just get the camera to stay in color mode no matter what - because for some of my camera positioning I have plenty of street light. It required power cycling the NVR to get it to re-initiate the camera, and the result was that it stayed in black and white mode no matter what (at least it was robust enough to keep working with the IR board unplugged instead of malfunctioning). I first bought a 8 camera DVR system for $400 from costco, this was about 4 months before the NVR IP systems became available. I paid $699 for the 4 camera system, which I found odd considering they want $300/pair for the cameras, it came with 4 ($600 worth) and for $100 more you get the DVR. A sure sign that the cameras should be selling for $80-$100. I just got the Costco preview "web only" advert for December and I was really hoping to see the package with 8-12 IP cameras, or a price drop on the 720p camera pack, or the 1080p cameras being available as Q-See themselves told me they would be 6 weeks ago. Looks like we may have to wait until after new years for that. I really wish Q-See had the foresight to allow the IP cameras to be configurable to turn off the IR, or set a light-dark value as to when it switched. Guess I can only hope for a firmware update for that (unlikely) I'll provide a better review and input once I'm a bit more conscious, but for now I thought I'd post the pictures I took before I put the unit back together. Important to note for any of you that want to tinker with this. Be very careful with the allen wrench main outer screws. The metals of the screws aren't exactly hardened well. I stripped out the hex head on the first unit I tried. Also, the screws inside the unit are very tiny and hard to nab onto without a magnetic tipped screwdriver (which I had). I'll update this more when I am more awake.

Oh boy, I came into this thread searching for troubles with the Active X control and never even looked at the post date! Thank you. I PM'ed you.

I have the latest firmware on the QC448 DVR and what shipped with my QC804 NVR (Q-See said there was no new update yet). I am not accessing the cameras directly, only via web browser direct to the DVR and NVR. So in Firefox and Chrome, it wants to use Quicktime, which results in no video streaming. I tried several tips and tricks on the web to try to direct chrome and firefox to VLC. But couldn't get any results. Including changing control panel -> programs -> default programs -> set associations .rtp and .rtsp (and several other streaming types) to point from quicktime to VLC. Works in IE of course, but as I reported before since IE10.x, the webrec.cab is causing the browser to crash now and then. Worked fine before. I sure hope webrec.cab plugin is getting a complete upgrade for all the models at some point. It sure has its problems (and would be nice if it was signed too).

Strange. I turned off the ActiveX blocking, turned security down all the way, added as a safe site, and only 1 out of 6 machines accepted the change permanently. But now I don't have to worry, I have it installed permanently for now. Re the HTML5 - True I should have thought of that. I tend to get a little ahead of trends. I realize that would be pretty difficult for an OEM to already be fully supporting something so new. Any thoughts on getting other browsers to not try using the Quicktime plugin? I did some research to try to get VLC and other mp4 players to grab the MIME type, but never figured it out. For some odd reason, for the 3 systems I have running that I try to connect to with Chrome/FF - Quicktime rarely works. Kind of gets stuck in a [logo] dot dot dot dot trying to load screen and doesn't come up. I'd love it if I could get a different player to embed and take care of it.

Cool Rory, can we get a copy once you have it ready? I think I could use this for a couple of my clients. Navigating PSS is too difficult for them. I'd love something I could run (perhaps with command line arguments?) or simple presets that would allow them to pull it right up with no login and extra stuff.

Yup. Tried them all. Hit and miss. Worked on one machine, not on 5 others. Got tired of the trouble and just researched how to install it dedicated so there is no future annoyance. IE 10.0.2 is so protective. I wish Q-See (Dahua) made a signed version of the driver, or better yet, had a HTML5 interface or full plugin for Firefox/Chrome.

Hello everyone, after banging my head against the wall with lots of PC's with IE10 and it not letting it use the webrec.cab install.. or more so that it rejects it because it has no certificate... which by the way Q-See, you need to fix this and provide firmware updates to all your DVR units! --- I downloaded the webrec.cab myself, extracted it, wrote an install read me, and put it out on my web server for you.. http://slfarms.us/misc/WebrecForqsee.zip From the read me I put in the zip file: " Go into the webrec folder, right click on webrec.inf --> then select install - From this point on Internet Explorer should play from the q-see DVR. " After you do this, it will pull up just fine in IE on your machine. I can't believe what a pain this was before I figured out who to just download the cab, extract it, then install manually. Come on Q-See. Fix this. Since Microsloth went overboard with their security this is unusable to so many people. Hope this helps everyone out.

I'll PayPal anyone $20 bucks who can either absolutely report the exact model and speed of the ARM main processor, as well as the Broadcom h.264 decoder chip AND if it has any differences between the 804 808 and 8016. A bonus $20 if you prove to me that you can hack the 804 up to 8016 firmware and have it actually work. I'd love to put our conspiracy theory to an end, whether right or wrong. Note, no fudging/hacking the results to make $20.

Yes, I understand. I've stated it before that it is rebranded stuff. But when I refer to the unit it wouldn't make much sense to always state Q-See (rebranded Dahua) every time. Interesting info on the 3mp and 5mp cameras. Thanks for sharing. It's a good thing that ARM processors are so cheap and increasing in performance so rapidly (4 core chips now, with plenty of 8 core chips on the way). Those billions of people buying cell phones help lower for the price for dedicated devices like NVR's. I'd sure love to have a 16 5mp camera setup with 30fps on each channel someday and likely in 2016-2018 time frame we'll start to see both camera and NVR starting to use the HEVC H.265 standard. 30%-45% the data size as H.264 and capability to handle resolutions up to 8,192×4,320 (35.3mp).

You are welcome. I took the time to post what I knew because when I first got the system I was very confused on many features. As for disconnecting the IR board, I tried this when I took apart the unit (shown here viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33075 ). If I remember right, when I disconnected it the entire camera didn't function at all. It seems that it has a trigger tied into the 4 pin connector that disables the whole thing. No biggie. As I said before, putting a piece of black tape, or using a dry erase black marker to cover the sensor will just turn the LEDs on all the time. Edit update: I think I remember better now. When I unplugged the IR board, the camera did work, but got stuck in black and white mode. Which at that time of experimenting, I hadn't yet logged directly into the camera where you can force it to stay in color mode all the time. So, yes - there is a chance that you could unplug the IR board and still have functionality. But, my cameras are all mounted now, so I'm not going to take one down to experiment. I'm willing to bet it would work now that I've thought about it.

- I understand the business model. Entice with standard hardware that is limited by software. Microsoft taught us that a long long time ago. But as for smart phones, Google pretty much gives away Android compared to Microsoft and Apple (which doesn't put it on anything other than their own hardware) - companies like Q-See and Dahua are just plane lucky that Google didn't spend 0.000001% of its resources writing an Android/Chrome chunk of code that enabled any basic hardware to operate as a NVR.. Or we'd have $300 i5 or ARM based laptops able to handle 20 1080P cameras without breaking a sweat. And there would be an army of Google Play developers writing awesome software for it. My Galaxy Note 2 has a quad core ARM chip, 2GB ram, 96GB flash memory, records 1080p video with ease, and cost me about $325 total. I'm willing to bet it has more processing power than the QC804. Of course, that was the cost with a 2 year data plan subscription. So I'm paying for the hardware in installments if you want to look at it that way. I'm ok with Q-See releasing what is likely the same hardware and enabling features via software. I'm not ok with the price difference being so extreme. And I guess why I'm the most bitter person on this forum about it is, it was one of their sales people who told me that if I got the 804 all I had to do was "buy a PoE switch" to add more cameras. So I planned my purchase based on that. And now I've got $300 worth of cameras sitting around that my NVR cannot see while I wait for the price on the QC8016 to come down in price so I can actually expand things.

That is our current conspiracy theory. But you know we conspiracy theory people, we sometimes wish for the conspiracy to be true. Maybe some brave soul will get an 804, obtain the 8016 firmware, and try to flash it. That person won't be me. I can't afford to buy a new unit.

I guess the "proof in the pudding" as they say, in regards to if AvertX will stick around and become a major player in the IP cam / NVR world is if we see firmware updates and decent response times to fixing bugs (even when they aren't reported). I hope they stick around and keep releasing interoperable product lines and the prices drop on Costco's site. I may give them some consideration in a year or so if they show to be a solid company and keep releasing software upgrades to not just the NVR, but also the PC/Android/iPhone apps. Question for you Sloride: Does the web interface require a plugin? If so, do they have plugins for IE/Firefox/Chrome etc? Would be really cool if they adopted HTML5 so it was universal. Tip to AvertX, assign an official representative to monitor forums such as this to answer questions. You'll likely get more sales showing a public response to these discussions. (I'll email their support and tell them of this forum)

Kyle: Perhaps I was remembering the screen that allows you to turn off DHCP for the WAN network. My mistake. So yeah, no option to bridge the NVR's LAN into your LAN other than putting the camera on your local network behind a PoE switch. Although to give them credit, at least it can see cameras over its WAN port. Yup. And for the price, they could at least let the user still show up to 16 cameras on the QC804 even if the frame rate is slow. Q-See told me there was a different chipset to handle the extra streams on the higher models. In this case it would possibly be the Broadcom h.264 decoder chip I was told they use. Which likely has a cost difference of $10-$15 to them but they want $200-$400 more for the more advanced models. Kind of disappointing. By the way - something I forgot to note before. If you put your cameras on your local 192.168.x.x LAN, either log in to them and give them a manual hard set IP address, or go into your router and set them to have a reserved DHCP preset IP. Otherwise your NVR will lose them every time they reboot because when you configure them under the "Remote Devices" menu of the NVR, it attaches to the IP address at the time and won't find them again by itself. Since my router didn't seem to like to reserve an IP for them reliably, I just set each one with a permanent IP address outside the IP pool range of my router. Now it is totally fixed and reliable. you wrote: "I'm still surprised there isn't even a forwarded port for each camera's interface (ie: port 192.168.0.3:8502 goes to camera 10.1.1.20:85, 192.168.0.3:8503 goes to camera 10.1.1.30:85, etc)." Excellent idea -- Well, maybe someday Q-See (or their OEM Dahua) will read these forums and adopt our ideas and feature requests. I'm pretty sure Q-See can do very little to improve their products without paying for it with Dahua. That extra layer of middle man just means we get fixes and feature improvements far less than needed. Wow, look at this bad boy! http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/nvr60006000d6000dr-3.html Input 128ch@D1/64ch@720P/32ch@1080P Transmission 128ch@D1/64ch@720P/32ch@1080P Recording 128ch@D1/64ch@720P/32ch@1080P If bricking the unit wasn't a concern, I'd attempt to run the firmware update for the QC8016. But Q-See wrote me back that I can't have the firmware images, because they don't have any new ones to release.