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actually I went lower on the price - here it is @ $19 each. http://www.123securityproducts.com/500009.html if you can find them for cheaper at a reputable reseller than let us know. Ive checked around though and they are all pretty much the same price. Ofcourse they arent those "bench tested" Baluns .. Would love to see the "real world tested" Baluns though .. Do you do Youtube??

Thats still about the same difference of price between the Cat5 cable and RG59 siamese. problem is the baluns still bring the price up. How much for a bag of 100 BNCs from your vendor? 0.079 for RG59 siamese. 0.039 for Cat 5 Dam stuff is cheap there. How much for budweiser?? I pay $2.50 a bottle/can .. cheapest. I am not saying dont use it, but to say using Cat5 and baluns is cheaper is just ridiculous and a total fabrication of the truth, not to mention the facts speak for themself. Anyone who has a problem with it must have something to loose, cause I could care less either way, I use whatever is needed for the job.

lets loose the cat5 wire all together? 8x Baluns @ 18 ea. $144 = $144 400' RG59 Siamese @ 0.15 ea. $60, 8x BNC connectors @ .75 ea $6 = $66 8 cameras? 16x Baluns @ $18 ea. $288 = $288 800' RG59 Siamese @ 0.15 ea. $120, 16x BNC connectors @ .75 ea. $12 = $132 16 cameras? 32x Baluns @ $18 ea. $576 = $576 1600' RG59 Siamese @ 0.15 ea. $240, 32x BNC connectors @ .75 ea. $24 = $264 and when you start using IR cameras and needing to buy 18awg .. oh snap price goes up on that cat5.

the moderator is the one that went to dealer pricing, so we are just piggybacking off his post. My original price on wire was obviously here in my country and all other pricing was US retail (dealer/member pricing is actually cheaper). I dont ship in wire from the US as it costs too much unless one is buying tons of it, however the pricing varies even here, from store to store. I never bought cat5 so was only taking a guess on the local price. Baluns are not perfect to begin with so Im not about to tell someone go buy a $10 balun unless someone can back it up with some video showing they actually provide the same quality as RG59 or decent baluns. We have been able to buy $5 cameras for some time now, $20 IR cameras that claim 60' IR, heck I just got a camera that claims 100' IR but infact only has a 30' IR beam. I even bought a DVR from Amazon for $6.95 ... its not that there are not low priced products out there, but the quality and end result matter, availability matters, can you buy it all the time, can you buy it at all, and also the price one resells it for can make a huge difference. For example, Im sure you can buy a DVR for $100, but do you sell it to your customers for $100? And you can get the same for $40 from China, but do you?

Now lets use some more realistic US pricing. http://www.amazon.com/Genica-1000-Ft-CAT5e-Crimper-Tester/dp/B000YYIRRU http://www.amazon.com/500-Rg59-Siamese-Cable-Cctv/dp/B002EQ3CQW So, example 4 cameras... Ofcourse any installer reselling these products will be marking them up much higher than this, otherwise they wont be in business for long. 400' Cat5 @ 0.07 ea. $28, 8x Baluns @ 18 ea. $144 = $172 400' RG59 Siamese @ 0.15 ea. $60, 8x BNC connectors @ .75 ea $6 = $66 8 cameras? 800' Cat5 @ 0.07 ea. $56, 16x Baluns @ $18 ea. $288 = $344 800' RG59 Siamese @ 0.15 ea. $120, 16x BNC connectors @ .75 ea. $12 = $132 16 cameras? 1600' Cat5 @ 0.07 ea. $112, 32x Baluns @ $18 ea. $576 = $688 1600' RG59 Siamese @ 0.15 ea. $240, 32x BNC connectors @ .75 ea. $24 = $264 Not to mention, that RG59 Siamese includes 18awg cable. You mentioned you bench tested the $10 baluns, Well when you have actually used them on installs and post some video to back them up with, then perhaps we can talk. Meanwhile I dont tell someone to buy something based on hearsay.

Those look like the same things we covered in another thread, that stated in huge letters on the listing that they WEREN'T actually baluns... Canadian retail pricing: 1000' Cat5e: $85, or $0.085/ft. 400' = $34. 8x baluns @$10/pair (sure, I'll take 100% markup) = $40. Total: $74 500' RG59+18/2 Siamese: $158, or $0.316/ft. 400' = $126. US pricing at Home Depot is pretty much the same: $156 for 500' Siamese, $83 for 1000' Cat5e. Im not discussing cost with you, you already said you dont deal with that. And to pay your salary your boss obviously marks up those items. It costs money drive down to the store and pick them up. Regardless, lets base it on your Home Depot wire pricing, which BTW is way overpriced on the RG59 and it doesnt even say it is siamese but anyway if thats where you shop then whatever ... So, example 4 cameras... 400' Cat5 $34, 8x Baluns $200 = $234 400' RG59 Siamese $124, 8x BNC connectors $8 = $132 8 cameras? 800' Cat5 $68, 16x Baluns $400 = $468 800' RG59 Siamese $248, 16x BNC connectors $16 = $264 16 cameras? 1600' Cat5 $133, 32x Baluns $800 = $933 1600' RG59 Siamese $499, 32x BNC connectors $32 = $531 ------------- Sorry but Cat5 with baluns are still DOUBLE the price. I mean why cant you accept that simple fact????????????????????

you will need either: 1-loop out on the DVR, to a single Composite to VGA Adapter/Cat5-VGA etc. for each channel. 2-T-Connector for each channel - could experience ground issues though. Anyway then it would go to the same as #1.

Yeah but thats not really a balun, thats just an adapter, you can splice it with tape and get the same effect. Probably limited to very short distances.

Thanks, was trying to figure out what it was

ATR (Adaptive Tone-curve Reproduction) its a feature in a KT&C TDN bullet I am testing. Seems it just makes things a little brighter. Anyone else have any experience with it? Thanks.

Examples of BNC Baluns:

They dont really look like BNC baluns.

Remove the HDD as mentioned. However some DVRs will hang on booting up if there is no HDD installed. Sometimes also they might hang for a while then eventually go through to the OS.

http://www.videotransmitters.com/

LOL then there is really no reason for me to be discussing anything with you.

I guess then I need to remind you I post pricing in AMERICAN RETAIL pricing, so wherever I live has nothing to do with it, I could be in Canada tomorrow, will still be the same price.

thats you boss man, everyone else has to pay regular price. Im sure your company must mark the product up as well? http://www.123securityproducts.com/500009.html You know, I don't do the accounting, but I'm pretty sure they're just lumped in under "shop supplies" these days... they're a commodity item now, not a specialty item. Even if baluns are marked up to the customer, so is cable... so either way you look at it, Cat5+baluns is now cheaper than coax+power... and using station-Z wire for power along with the coax is WAY cheaper than Siamese cable. At least, in most of the developed world it is... we're well aware that where you are, pricing for everything from potato chips to sunshine has pricing way out of whack with the rest of the globe - you're never shy about reminding us of that fact. LOL Canada is hardly developed, its still the USA's little sidekick. So, example 4 cameras... 400' Cat5 $60, 8x Baluns $200 = $260 400' RG59 Siamese $140, 8x BNC connectors $8 = $146 8 cameras? 800' Cat5 $120, 16x Baluns $400 = $520 800' RG59 Siamese $272, 16x BNC connectors $16 = $288 16 cameras? 1600' Cat5 $240, 32x Baluns $800 = $1040 1600' RG59 Siamese $544, 32x BNC connectors $32 = $576

and some cat5 and a $2 baluns and your sorted out Kool then Im good to go

Yeah okay then .. I can get a camera for $5 also, and a DVR for $6 from Amazon.

We use BW cameras in night clubs. Variations of them, from standard low res to exview high res, and to exview low res for ultimate low light without IR. We have no IR in the clubs but its too dark, even for the Monalisas.

FYI you can use activeX anywhere, when you hit the webserver your computer just downloads it. But you would need to tell it what IP, login, and port to use. If you send me the activeX or this installer, or anything else related to it, I will see what I can do with it.

6 characters / digits max.

Motion will always send alot of events. Best to use Alarms to send the events.

Im doing a quote right now that involves 10,000' of RG59 siamese. Mostly short runs and completely separate buildings/locations. You use what you have to. Although for one building it may be all cat5 as it should work out to be the same price or even cheaper due to the amount of runs, and easier to run when its that many cables (lighter cable, siamese wears your body down).

at $50 for a pair of baluns, that increases the cost of the install greatly.