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Thats is an LE-AS/AN Dont do it, that firmware is not for that DVR.

I know that I need to contact the UK, and I know that I can only buy from a retailer. What I can do now Im in possesion of the MRSP is find a retailer that doesnt want to rip me off. Thats all. What Im suggesting is that some installers are jumping in to bed with manufacturers like this, just because they get to hide prices from the end users and rip them off. The fact that even sugesting this is met with such vicious hostility only adds to that assumption. There are also numerous quotes from installers and integrators suggesting the very same thing.. Your lucky, whenever I speak about the "A" brand my posts get deleted

Can't do that in the UK Rory. No right to bear arms here and even if you do posses a firearm, legally or otherwise you are not allowed to shoot a poor criminal thats trying to run away from you. They gaol you for that here. (Note the British spelling of Jail) LOL cant do that here either .. just saying .. except here they say if you do shoot the criminal, make sure drag him back into your home so they dont charge you ..

Well there are installers, then there are installers who also own stores, or stores that also install. There are even installers that do other things other than CCTV. Cant tell someone they can only do ONE thing, right now everyone is just trying to make money anyway they can to stay alive, and if it means doing several things then so be it - they might only get 1 CCTV install a year for all we know. Its no different from any other industry in this regard, from A/C to Electrical, same thing, everybody marks up anything they sell. It takes time to go buy something using your credit/debit card, handle shipping, stock it, keep it stocked when it might get discontinued, and ofcourse provide a local warranty - and time is money. If a client wants me to buy a hard drive for a DVR that Im installing for them, do you honestly think that I am going to get in my truck and sit in 2 hours of traffic and wreak havic on my vehicle .. to buy something and not charge a markup on the product??? Either I mark it up or charge them 2 hours labour - or they go buy the thing themselves. If they are cheap they normally go buy it themselves, and I dont blame them at all for trying to save a few dollars, I would do the same.

What firmware is on your DVR? Dahua says IE9 needs the activeX from 2.608? I dont have IE9 to confirm this and want to update my webpage about this. Thanks. My DVR version is 2.606.0024.0. Build is April 7, 2011 Then Im wondering what are all the complaints about webrec not working in IE9? And Dahua tech keeps telling them it doesnt work and have to wait for new firmware. Maybe they mean the older 2.600 instead, but they dont make that clear.

Generally to buy from the manufacturer or manufacturer reps you need to deal with large amounts of sales. Smaller companies cant so they buy at higher costs. So yeah, there can be 2 or 3 inbetweens before it reaches you. Just like generally the client cant buy from your distributor, you generally cant buy from your distributors distributor, etc, unless you are pushing the sales they are. So I wouldn't go blaming the installer, blame the manufacturer and then the manufacturer rep and then the large distributor .. who the installer buys from In other words the installer is buying at the same price the client can go online and buy at - lets face it if the installer is stocking products to resell, then to stay in business they have to add a markup and enough to cover expenses and give them a reason for even doing it to begin with. Also just because the client is willing to take the chance of buying from someone because it is cheaper, doesnt mean the installer who does it for a living, wants to take such chances. Seriously though, people are in it for the money, if there is no money to be made, or they are just making peanuts, might as well do something else. Companies like big online CCTV retailers can sell so low because they have huge sales numbers, they get cheaper prices from the manufacturers than I or you would due to their huge sales numbers, and their warranty can be very limited compared to some others that sell the same product at a higher cost. Just saying, I am in no way condoning overpricing like I found on a recent quote a client showed me, $10K for a 32 channel DVR that costs approx $1000 dealer price. Even with shipping and customs duty and local markup, that was pretty ridiculous, unless they were giving them a 10 year warranty! And they felt the product sucked that bad that it would even fail to begin with.

its the webrec ActiveX control. For firmware 2.606 - Webrec.ocx 2.1.7.32 For firmware 2.608 - Webrec.ocx 2.1.7.35

What firmware is on your DVR? Dahua says IE9 needs the activeX from 2.608? I dont have IE9 to confirm this and want to update my webpage about this. Thanks.

Actually you are correct when it comes to some brands ... from what Ive seen some dealers sell products that have no prices online and so they COULD sell them for whatever they like, eg. Honeywell CCTV is rare online, and some other branded US/Canadian products. BTW most originate in Asia anyway. Avilon is another one that is touted on this forum, and although its not impossible to find pricing online, it is rare.

Edit, that should have been stocking products.

For me its no issue, but for the countless others that stock and sell products it is. Personally I want no part in selling products, but thats me. Most resellers that import/sell asia direct items will never be able to produce a MSRP as the manufacturer would not have one, since they sell to so many markets, and they would likely sell to anyone anyway. You will however find MSRP on most big branded items. Why is the cost more at one place than others? With many online stores they offer little to any warranty, eg, 30 days warranty and thats it, then have to send back to manufacturer and pay for shipping. Lots of people like the idea of having all that taken care of. Eg the reason people buy things locally here are for the warranty, the better the warranty the more the product is going to cost. So basically MSRP does not always take into account the warranty of the product - and Im not talking the warranty of the manufacturer, im talking the time it takes the reseller to have to restock the item, deal with shipping, and basically just take care of warranty items. Shipping and taxes all play into how much the end product will cost as well. Some people work for less than others, so pricing will vary. But then again, its not my area and I dont care about warranty so much unless it costs a fortune (then i just want to at least be able to send it back to the manufacturer), most sub $300 cameras will cost more than the camera to ship it back to the US, which is intl shipping so the supplier normally would never pay that anyway no matter HOW good a warranty they have.

Im lost now .. what was the question? Issue is with people charging more than the MSRP, or less? Biggest problem in the industry today is online stores selling at dealer price to end users, not the other way around. Anyway, at the local pharmacy they sell a 1.5liter of water for $1.25, at the Gas Stations it goes for $2.20 .. talk about markup .. LOL. The food store is always out of water go figure, so if I dont make the pharmacy in time before they close, Im paying double for water, and thats every single day

Just ask for a warranty. If you buy it and it dies the next day or doesnt work properly because it was never on a voltage regulator ..

Not always, and prices vary from one store to the next. Called around for the cheapest price. They vary from one store to the next. Cant do that in the CCTV Industry. Can give you a rough price of just the product sure, as they are all over the internet anyway, but specifying what goes where and the cost of installation MUST be quoted, this is a technical and service related job and EVERY SINGLE installation is different. In fact in most cases I would not quote a job until Ive see it at night as well as during the day. So yeah it takes time and money just to go quote a job, but it is what it is. If people just want a price on something they can just go online - if they want the valued opinion and consultation of a professional with years of experience, then they would get a quote from that person - its their choice.

I can see it now - going in the food store and telling the cashier you know the exact price her boss paid for that apple so you will not pay more than that. I wonder how that will end

i would hope they got it straight by now after a whole whopping 2 1/2 years

Dont forget to add a ton of lighting also.

Your better off paying some ex SAS to sit inside the store and just shoot any low life rioter that comes near it.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ie-tab-plus/

Used it in chrome before no issues. Just testing it in Firefox 8 and it works using the newer IE tabs+, need to first install the activeX either using the Dahua ActiveX Installer download on my site, or manually in IE. Also have to setup IE's options for activeX and set to prompt anything that is disabled, specifically prompt to "download unsigned activex controls".

You can use IE Tabs for Chrome or Firefox, that will allow those browsers to go into IE mode and use ActiveX.

You can use the IE plugin for Firefox.

To be fair IR can do the same thing if you point it right at a persons face. The key is in the positioning of the spotlight. Eg. inside a store, here is a single spotlight, left is before the light activates. PS. this is from 7 years ago ... old Kalatel DVR over the network.

I dropped mine several times in one night alone .. still worked though a little broken up. It was some water running off a roof that eventually fried the sucker in the middle of the day. I dropped my netbook which I also used to adjust cameras (not focus, I use a real monitor for that), dropped that like 6 times in a row one night .. darnit .. anyway it wasnt until months later when I had rest it down on the ground, It started to pour and I jumped off the ladder and ... well right ontop of the netbook .. screen was cracked. Otherwise still worked, gave it away and got a new one. Never dropped the CCTV monitor though, the grip helps with that one and its a little sturdier, plus fits nicely at the top of the ladder.