rory

This is the one we were talking about which might have been a clone, but thought perhaps it is just second hand. Sounds like a bad card, or the card version simply cant run 8.xx.

Extreme CCTV? (not the WizKid line though )

Some links regarding this: http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9945&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 http://home.hiwaay.net/~rgs/awgcalculator.html http://www.video-insight.com/Support/Tools/Wire-Length-Calculator.aspx

heard of them! JD Yes, people like you and me have ..

sorry

Mikey, I think he didnt realize the first one also had an ICR .. as far as the ICR and the ICR2 no idea, an Infrared Cut Filter is just that, it blocks Infrared Light. Now they may have added in some additional features when it removes the ICR for night mode, and now they call it ICR2 .. but no idea. [edit-collin you too quick now]

CNB sell OEM so that means they would be rebadged under so many different names. Other than the OEM companies I doubt many have ever heard of them before.

Version 8.12 fixes that first part.

http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4945&highlight=pan+focus http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9198&highlight=sanyo+pan+focus http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8488&highlight=sanyo+pan+focus http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4411&highlight=sanyo+pan+focus http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5651&highlight=sanyo+pan+focus http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5776&highlight=sanyo+pan+focus see its been mildly discussed. Seems the same kind of day night image as the ir previous Day Night dome, but with the extra Autofocus feature. A colleague has one in their biz here. I'd like a free demo unit though .. anyone?

Yep, personally I wouldnt be into the whole monthly thing either, seems its pretty popular in the US though .. not so much here. Since you have some experience with PCs, you could just about do the DVR side yourself. There isnt anything magic about it, the manufacturers of the DVR/Card or software developers already did all the work. It will be one simple setting to enable the number of users and you can also add/remove users. Still need to do the cameras though. There are alot of installers on this forum, perhaps someone will be in your local.

On the DVR PC, goto Start, Run, and type in "DxDiag" Next, click the "Display" tab. Click the "Test Direct Draw" button. It will run a series of tests. If the full screen test fails then there is a problem.

Direct Draw Overlay uses a dedicated part of video memory that belongs to that application alone. If the Video card cannot assign that memory for some reason or another, the application process will fail; in this case, black screen?

Thanks, That motherboard seems to have an nVidia Chipset, so that may be the problem. GV800 doesnt work on Via or ATI Chipset, and they dont mention nVidia causing a problem, but since its not an Intel Chipset that is the first thing I would look into. Video card seems okay, just make sure you are using the latest stable drivers from the manufacturer. Also, change the refresh rate to something higher, like 70, 72, or even 75, if the monitor allows it; try all 3 if they are available and check for best quality. Higher the better but only if the quality remains good. If you cant try the card in a PC with an Intel chipset, perhaps try a different video card. And make sure you are using the black cable to the black video in on the card. Rory

Ok now it may be legit .. lets continue with troubleshooting .. What are the PC Specs. Need Motherboard, Video Card, Memory, CPU, etc, if its a brand name PC just post the model number. Rory

Serious Technical Problems in v7.05 "Mutation" 1. Pirated cards with a v8.0: Black screen followed by video loss and continuous fake-GeoVision software restarts. 2. Pirated cards with a v7.05: "Can't find USB protection key for new system" message followed by no video screen. 3. Pirated cards with v7.05 "mutation": Due to technology limitations of the pirated product, counterfeit card sellers made a v7.05 "mutation" to run on older driver versions but still claim it as v7.05. The v7.05 "mutation" does NOT contain functions GeoVision intends to deliver to our customers (while all genuine card users are able to use an updated driver version for v7.05 for full features). There are also various additional problems related to the v7.05 "mutation". http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/piracy.asp The price you paid is almost half that of the dealer cost, so like i mentioned above, either it is second hand, or its a clone.

looks like a real one, though the clones are very close these days (after all the cards are actually made by a card manufacturer in S Korea, Geo is just the software developer mostly).. the thing is that it came with 7.05, no Original CD and no manual .. which means either its a clone, its second hand, or they just didnt want to send you the original CD and manual. Either way current cards ship with v 8.11 or 8.12, 7.xx hasnt been shipped with the cards now in .. at least over a year. Its possible its just a bad card or there is something wrong with the drivers. 8.xx drivers would upgrade the firmware on the card, but if its not an original it would probably not work after that, or just not upgrade.

It definitely a pirate card. There are a couple banner ads at the top which companies sell legit cards online. Rory

Depends, how many channels is it, how much did it cost, and does it come with an authentic Geo CD and User Manual?

Low, budget level. If you know of any other schools doing the same thing in your area, perhaps ask them what systems they are using. Most DVRs, at least PC based, will allow you to set as many users as you like, the rest will depend on the upload bandwidth.

The stability issue is not OS related in this case, well not really anyway. Basically think of it like a Mac, its mostly hardware and driver related. For example, for at least the GV650's and up, can only use Intel Chipsets. Can really use any motherboard you like, but we know the $40 Biostar is kind of cutting it a little too short, especially when for $30 more you can get an Asus or GigaByte. One could actually build a PC for $170 retail to run a GV250 card, but then its a budget DVR and like any budget DVR, stand alone or windows based, can have its share of issues. Stability is also in the DVR software code, there are many embedded linux DVRs that crash or freeze up alot, poor code mostly, some just bad drivers. Same goes for PC based windows units. Geo doesnt work on Linux natively, not sure if it will work with Wine or not though. Most Linux based (non embedded), dont typically have the features of the Windows based, but that will change over time. Figure in 48 hours to build and test for a DVR. Now, back to the question, I would ask to see some video examples of the cameras listed. They all seem to be OEM. Also, dont be surprised if after reading this forum for a few days, that you might know more than them. There are many start ups, and many just do it as its something to do, and rely on distributors to sell them the product, without getting actively involved in trying different products. In fact many companies will only know the OEM products they sell, and not know what a Sanyo Pan Focus is or a Panasonic SD3, or an EX82. Another thing to consider, if the company does not know the camera that you want, they may not have used it before, and therefore it may not end up being setup properly - cameras are not typically just plug and play, contrary to popular belief. No images in the quotes leads me to believe they are either not that interested in the job or its "just another job", they are not proud of the products they have used in the past, or this may be their first job - ofcourse I could be wrong. After all this is a Video quote. Rory

Yes we've discussed the Pan Focus before ..

Forget SiSoft and any other benchmark software, it is much slower. Another thing with the Core 2's is they arent working at full throttle all the time. Ive used the 1.73, the 2.4 and the 2.6 so far .. 2.4-- 2.6 not a huge difference, but there still is a difference. The 2.4 runs a t 1.6 when it doesnt need all the speed (which unfortunately Windows doesnt seem to always know the diff), the 2.6 around 2.0. You can change that in the Bios sometimes, but it doesnt always work without actually overclocking. Basically, ignore all reviews on the internet as those are for overclockers and that cannot (should not) be done for a DVR. Anyway, lets put it this way, its $129 for the 2.0 or its $200 for the 2.6, such a small diff in price for a huge jump in speed. Ofcourse Geo will work on a 2.4 Celeron but then thats not the point. If anything though, one would get the 2.0 800FSB if on a budget, not the 1.6. Remember CPU prices have changed over the past month with new CPUs released so that quote might already be old Also Geo is very memory intensive, especially the latest version, its just $35 more for another 1GB. You really dont want a budget PC for a DVR, you have to remember it needs to run 24/7, the motherboards they use in those budget ones are not good, the power supplies are extra generic, and the list goes on. Dont get me wrong, you CAN do it, at least with certain Geovision cards (not the combo cards though), but there's no promise that it will be stable, not to mention you need an Intel Chipset. Anyway, hope this clears it up a little, you can use a budget PC, but the question you have to ask is, are you really on a very low budget, and how important is this security system to your company? For $100-200 more you could have a high end fast PC as well. As to storage, $40 diff from a 160 to a 500Gb right now. Please note these are all retail prices im listing. Rory

Just a quick look, the first PC one, system is old school, 1.6 800FSB, 1GB DDR 2 and 160GB .. not good enough for what is out there now .. average system is now 2.4-2.6 Core 2 Duo, 2GB DDR2-667/800, and at least a 500GB Hard Drive. Cameras seem like budget OEM and a Budget OEM Camera Power Supply (as it is a 9 channel). If you are on a strict budget then that would be okay. 2nd one, looks like it is 2 Video Servers, not a DVR; may want to clarify that one. Cameras using a 16 channel 24VAC Power Supply, seems like although they also seem to be OEM, no known brand name, at least they might be decent enough quality. 3rd one looks like a Linux system, no comment, other than support and maintenance will be your main concern, as like mentioned it would have to be direct and dependant on how good their service department is. No idea on the cameras as I cant see them listed, at least with a quick glance. Perhaps someone else will be able to look at it closer and also give their views. Also, I would not be using a Dell for a Geovision system, but to each their own. Rory

Thread showing the quotes is here, image links updated: http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10051

im lost .. there is a loop out on every video channel; actually there are 2 connectors for each channel and either of them can be used for loop out, and they are auto terminating. then there is the monitor output.