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I forgot to mention, there are many many people that have issues using a PC at all, other than MSN and Google ... so PC based DVRs and NVRs are out the door, then comes the embedded stand alone DVR with simple push buttons/VCR like controls ..

LOL .. thanks guys .. but the government here wont spend any money, and i dont have any for this .. otherwise laws are pretty slack so that part isnt an issue ..

well you could try the Triplex uploader, and some other admin stuff .. later this morning when i wake up (7am just going to sleep!) ill check what i have and let you know .,.

High Quality (Real Time) Video. Larger selection of cameras, for all types of applications. Not dependent on a Network or Network staff. Low maintenance, Reliability. Less expensive in most cases. As to expandable, add more Cards/DVRs ... simple as 1+1=2 With PC based DVRs you are paying for the software, not the card, but they start as low as $100 (GV250) for something with software that breaks almost any IP Software. Add a $50 color bullet camera and you have a better image than most NVR with IP Camera setups .. or at least comparable ... for next to nothing .. Plus you have the best of both worlds, you can still use IP cameras or do offsite recording/monitoring/playback .. though I dont see the use of IP cameras in most applications.

DVR means there is a System at the location .. it records locally at the system ... not at the camera (unless you buy one of those cameras). With supplied software you can also record offsite over the internet. ... If its the wireless part you are questioning, you can put the DVR anywhere and still use Wireless if you like, either using Analog wireless (Real Time non networked) or Networked Wireless (Video Servers). You can then use High Performance CCTV Cameras and if using Video Servers you would use the decoders at the DVR, otherwise there is just a TX and RX for each camera. Personally unless i'm doing more than 16 cameras i'd stick with analog wireless; no bandwidth issues between the camera and the DVR, and no (or not noticable) quality loss. It depends on which DVR is used, as to how many features you will have. GeoVision for example has all those features you mentioned.

The DVR's are networkable, meaning you can assign an IP address and access them remotely over the network or internet. Difference is that it is recording locally.

Hi ... Everything you mentioned can be done with a DVR also .. using their remote software ...

I dont know if Luxriot does it, will have to contact them about that. Remember its not the card, its the software that costs the money ...

I dont know about DigiVue, but it can be done very easily with GeoVision.

Unfortunately our Telco down here is not to that stage yet. . no wireless internet yet let alone internet on phones.. . Anyways ... the javascript should work, all it does is refresh the images that are being created from the java applet .. but you have to have the java applet running somewhere in another browser for the images to be updated .. (for now) either way you should see an image .. as all it is is basic javascript and image tags .. Rory

You have to let me know when you are going to log on as i dont have it enabled all the time Those demos I posted are for Firefox ... basically Java and Javascript ..

Once you have Remote Playback Server Running on the DVR, you can download version 8.01 from Geo's site, that is the full version, and works also with earlier versions. 8.02 is just an upgrade to 8.01. http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/5_0.asp?sfiled1=didg&pno=4

But really .. if it is hot there like it is here, and the rooms where the DVRs are dont have any AC (or at least a fan) then they will definately die ..

it gets over 100 in my appt even with a ceiling fan and i dont have any problems leaving my PC on with Geo running ... But yeah the cooler the drives the better .. i got a colleague that has multiple fans in his PC and also leaves it open with an actual stand up fan blowing on it .. plus the AC But seriously ... ive never seenm the problem personally.. . I think its probably just the DVRs ...

If you are using a stand Alone DVR they already come with Loop throughs (at least any decent one)... so dont need T-Connectors .. also for example GeoVision PC DVR has an optional Loop through card ... if you want the PC DVR the first one in line ..

Ive seen it .. nothing wrong with it .. nice to use a PC DVR and a unit like a GE Stand Alone together .. the GE embedded RTOS Unit as a backup

GeoVision Has Java based webclient as well .. Video Insight has the Javascript "Image Push" type .. Either of these work in most all browsers ... You can test Video Insights from their web page .. see banner at top .. for Geo send me a PM and Ill let you test from my server ..

and GE ...

i doubt it .. they probably got the specs wrong .. if anything that is probably in 320x240 .. notice they claim minimum memory only 256MB .. Intel P3 ... for 32 cameras!!

Overpriced if you ask me ..

Are you PC literate .. i mean enough to build your own PC DVR system? Most retailers sell Geo Vision .. pretty much guaranteed support at least from members on this forum .. You could still buy a ready made PC and then you'd just have to put the card in and load the software .. one of us can assist with setup .. Otherwise the budget standalones arent that great... unless you go with names like GE, Bosch, Webgate, Sanyo, etc ... the OEM versions are pretty featureless and typically low quality .. so much so I simply gave up on them .. there was a decent OEM 4 channel from PowerTellecom but they discontinued it .. ofcourse it was also the same menu programming as the other budgets but solid for the low price .. plus the remote network software was good compared to say the Hi Sharp for example .. Another 4 channel but double the price was the Active-Tek .. they dont seem to sell it anymore though .. strange as it was a good unit with USB and Remote Admin software, Remote PTZ etc .. .. I always judge them on their Remote Network software, well also image quality and backup options ... Right now with Stand Alones I still stick with the GE StoreSafe .. not cheap but a rock solid unit .. though PC based systems are basically Customs Duty free in my country to import so we deal in those mostly now .. and ive stopped testing at Geo Vision since last summer .. stable software and reliable cards. Tested many of the budget stand alone 4 and 16 channel DVRs over the years looking for the best cheapest unit (never found it in the end) ... The latest moderately budget stand alone DVR we tested was yet another PowerTellecom unit .. but in this case it is an Embedded Board which you just buy a PC Case for (no guts) and its ready to go .. Remote Network software seemed like it was unfinished .. but worked .. locally it is great quality and has the IR remote ... features are basic but it does work .. AV Tech is probably still the best for the ultra budget units with 4 channels at half the price of the one you were looking at .. but their remote network software really isnt hat great .. i mean it works though .. locally they are more like quads where they are 320x240 per image in 4 way view ... There are some Stand Alones (and PC Based) from the advertiser companies (banner ads) which are decent and worth checking out. Also we only allow Retail Pricing on the forums .. had alot of issues in the past which is why that rule was put in place .. Also there are many online stores selling at dealer pricing now adays . with that comes very little support if any, and also short or limited warrantees ... since they make very little on the sales to keep the prices that low ... though the customer should realise the dealer/installer must charge something to stay in business .. Rory

Ok so break down on the camera ... First its not a top of the line Sony Super HAD chip, its one of the cheapest versions of the Sony Super HAD chip ... they make various versions whcih cost different prices, the more you pay, the better the chip. Also note that it is not a SONY camera .. its OEM. Next, its low resolution ... so the image cant be that great, at least not for high quality recording. Anyway, the rest Ill leave, as the price denotes the quality, its a cheap Color IR camera, not a Day Night camera .. and the 150' Infrared is a real stretch, but remember its all a sales pitch anyway. You may get some IR light out to 60-90' depending on the location and the position of the camera, plus if using the narrow lens it comes with, but other than that .. there are no images to back that up .. alot of retail stores rarely test the cameras they sell. If they did then they'd have some images to prove it. Lastly .. no IR Cut Filter means washed out colors in the day, and id bet that whatever Infrared you get at night will not be that powerful and the quality of the fixed lens along with the camera quality .. will no doubt render a pretty useless image at any kind of distance - especially the distance they claim. Anyway, there are definately better OEM cameras at that price range .. maybe 40' of IR but a much better image in the night and the day, and an Auto Iris VF Lens, with an IR Cut Filter for true colors. . They cost a little bit more than this type but a much better camera. It will be the same Day Night IR Bullet with a 4-8mm Varifocal Auto Iris lens with 480TVL and an IR Cut Filter (mechanical) that you will find on most OEM online Retailers. .. PS. I recently (yet again) tested a Camera that looked like this one you specked (different housing but same IRs and Fixed Lens, and specs) and they claimed all kinds of things .. the dealer was singing praises that he saw it at the show and it looked great ... well after testing it here, it very promptly located the nearest garbage can ..

Very Budget DVR... http://www.hisharp.com.tw/hisharp_eng/product.htm

Thanks .. its all members that make it what it is also ... without them wont be any questions or answers .. I didnt even notice it hit 10K .. wow ..

930nm and above is invisible. .. you will need a more expensive professional camera to pick up that spectral range .. .. most bullets will be in the 830-850nm range .. which is a slight glow ... 730nm is more pronounced like a Traffic Light ... then there are alot of cheap Color/IR bullets with Visible Lighting .. Basically they are actually filters that go over the IR LED or Halogen Bulb, which cut down the output of the light, so you see less glow from the IR, but also that means the greater the filter the less light is produced for the camera to see. Certain cameras will pick up different spectrums and will work better than others, so it also depends on which camera you use. Normally the more expensive cameras will even tell you the ranges and generally produce a better image under IR .. EG. GE and Sanyo will tell you whether their Day Nights do 930-1100nm in their spec sheets ..