rory

cause its better and faster than SP1.

Dude, its done all the time, trust me on that. Its SP1 with no activation required.

coming from a copyright infringed country .. they have the non activation windows all over the place here, they can do windows updates without a hitch, just cant register and who cares about that? No activation needed, and all updates online work .. not saying its right, just how it is.

Well i have seen off lease DVRs, not new, second hand, go for anything as low as $1500 for a $5000 DVR from GE ... but $500, its stolen. Thing is they could be getting alot more for them, so they must also be hitting crack cocaine

he's talking about the PC cards that are hidden on Kodicoms web site ... somewhere ..

silly wabbit, those are all labour costs, i add one sum for labour after materials, then the complete total after that.

exactly, just carry the CD If webcam is all you guys have ever used to view cameras remotely, i feel sorry ... cause its horrible it makes me cry sometimes

i dont doubt whether they work or not, but they may be stolen.

we charge by device, in other words, $75 for a cheap bullet, $150 for a box camera or dome, $250 for more difficult vandal dome or outdoor box camera installations, $250 for an Infrared Day Night camera such as the EX82, $450 for a PTZ, $250 for a 4 channel DVR, $450 for a 8/10 channel DVR, $650 for a 16 channel DVR ... etc. Basically prices are estimated on hourly installation per camera, average $75 per hour. And prices vary from job to job, depends what is involved, I have price variations on each device that go easy to normal to difficult. Course down here our cost of living is double the cheapest area in the US .. but basically if you are a professional in the biz you cant charge low prices like say a plumber would charge to install some cameras. Rory

like i said, double the distance, half the wire gauge ... -2 volts can mean alot to a low end camera. Personally i only use UTP multi pair if i have to, such as multiple buildings, and applications where fiber is not feasable. I dont use passive or baluns myself, just amplified hubs and txs, and power the cameras locally, in other words each building would have its own power supply box.

??? If you use NVT gear it just works

Well, with 2 pairs of 24AWG with 12VDC, run approx 50', i got a voltage drop from 12.9 to 12.4, if you factor in the power supply, double the distance, and half the wire gauge, then yes it could mean the difference of the camera working or the power supply burning up. Always expect the worse then it will always work the first time.

Most people cant afford Fiber, which is maybe $10,000+ more than using amplified Cat5/UTP.

You will always get voltage drop, especially with 12VDC and using 24AWG cable. Whats the exact voltage you are getting at the longest run? These Cameras dont pull much draw from what you posted though. From one of my manufacturers on a similar subject: "Even when using 2 pairs, you are essentially changing the wire gauge by 3, so in this case, 2 24AWG wires will be equivalent to a single 21AWG. Current capacities of wire will vary due to ambient temperatures, fill rates of conduits and runways, and the temperature rating of insulation."

Hmmm... got me Dont know what Cable tester you are using though, i generally just use a meter and a toner myself. I feel your stress though .. Data, NVT is a whole different ball game though, compared to baluns. Seen them in action and video is crystal clear over a mile. Course only use it if you cant run coax and cant afford fiber.

What exactly are you looking for? I would stay clear of any domes with IR in them, always use seperate IR if you need to use IR. Check out WizKid and Extreme CCTV Domes, they are rock solid, Extreme is very pricey but does what it claims, and WizKid is more cosmetic and lower cost but still solid cameras, with 5 year warranty. Im going to be using some of the flush mount WizKid domes inside a local airport here, and some extreme cameras outdoors.

complete loss of video sounds like something else though at that short distance. As for the lines etc, an amplified hub eq will sought that out, such as NVT. Doug what brand of power supply were you using? Did you try the other 2 pairs just to test? Cant see if you replied to that part yet.. also should always use at least 2 pairs for power with cat5, and have to watch 12VDC as it doesnt got the distance that 24VAC does, but your distance is ok.

GE, Panasonic, Bosch, really all the big players that the military is using already. Also, Extreme CCTV is used by the military as well. Ofcourse all but Extreme probably have some of their products manufactured in Asia though. GE DVRs - made in the usa Extreme CCTV Cameras - made in canada

yeah but look at the price? If its a new DVR that say costs $5K wholesale, and they are letting it go for $500, has to be something up with it ...?

95' shoulnt be a problem. can you run a new cable, but dont run it permanently, just run it loose along the ground and test it at that distance to the DVR and see what you get. You said the other pair wasnt used? What type of ends do you have, and what type of cameras are these? Cat5 has 4 pairs, i take it you are using 1 for power, or 2 doubled up? Video only needs 1 pair. Also make sure you are getting enough volts on the camera side, and check the video at the DVR side into a small TV or CCTV Monitor .. plasma should work though.

If its a balun with terminals, have you tried the other pairs?

Check Cable, Cable Distance, and whether DVR Channels are enabled.

$500 for a $10,000(retail) DVR??? sounds fishy.

I think we need to create some banners so us web site guys can place them on our sites, what do yall think?

Hi, CCTV and DVD recording are 2 different things. You need a multiplexer to record more than one camera video signal at one time individually. Nowadays you get a multiplexer and DVR all in one, as a stand alone embedded unit (running linux or similar), or a PC card that can be used in a windows PC. Either way it must be a dedicated unit so NO you cant do anything else on the DVR. If you buy a stand alone embedded DVR such as a GE or other, that comes with a DVD then yes you can use a DVD to record it to. Otherwise if you use a PC Card you can use an installed PC DVD Recorder, or any other PC back up device. It would be considered back up, and you can back up recorded video while it is recording, for most DVRs. For 2 cameras, you will need a 4 channel DVR, or a 4 channel PC DVR card. Rory