rory

building the system, extra work, just get a cheap standalone and plug and play, no set up is required. You will be in and out and onto the next job, no head aches, and you will never look back A home user really doesnt need much features, just record and thats it. 60+pps is a hype, not really required for 4 cameras, especially for a home. 30pps is sufficient.

yeah but he needs a stand alone.

$1000 time as it comes to the US though .... and its an unknown name .. in time though ... as its still new.

same here, seperate IRs are always bettter

arent they only dial up?? I just never could see OzVision as a product for a video monitoring station, for personal use yes, but in the US, there are other telco alternatives like the kalatel RSM-1600/2000 for example, which I have installed for clients that didnt want internet connection, like 3 years ago, now its just gotta be broadband. Or am I missing something, does Ozvision have Internet now ..? Also, are they still made in Israel? Rory

also, Panasonic has one of the Best Domes out, Wide Dynamic True Day Night, not the best looking, but Im gettting one for the night club here for the front door entrance as there are back lighting issues, approx $490 dealer/spytown cost.

Just remember (Im used to testing cameras), if it does not suite the application, you can always sell it ... ive done that more than once, and actually made money off it! Heck I would even buy it to test it out

Well... whats the price .. on the Nuvico? Im pretty much stuck on the GE DVRs, they are just rock hard solid stand alones, and full of features. As for the domes, no never heard of anyone else using them, yet. What type are they, the BW? The look doesnt appeal to me, but Phillips is a good brand and I have used their other cameras like the dinions, well its bosch now ... so in essence you cant go wrong with them, just make sure its not a color camera as in the club it wont see anything! If you are still looking for a good vandal'proof' BW High Res dome, check out the WizKid WZ30, its reasonably cheap, high res, and is undestructable And the best thing is, it is wall mountable by design, plus has a 360 degrees gimble for the lens. ive used the higher priced Kalatel (GE) Domes but still like the WizKid better, and the support and warranty is the best Ive seen. though WizKid is not especially cheap, it is a dept of Extreme CCTV, but the material and lenses are cheaper thats how the price is lower. They have sold hundreds of them (well the other version with Infrared) to prisons all over south/central america just recently.

Yeah that bullet is probably only 100ma, while the pano you are adding is going to be alot more, 300ma+. You are buying that $800 camera yeah!! It is nice, 1/2 inch, great specs also. Not sure about the Bosch dome of hand, but since you are buying such high end cameras, I would definately run better cable. This actually would have ended the discussion alot sooner, maybe I didnt notice it ..! Its late .... Heck, if you really want to go all out, some NVT Cat5 active tranceivers ... then there will never be any issues with interference, ground loops/hums, anything like that, just great quality video ($$$ Though). You would just run Cat5 cable for all cameras. You would use 2 pairs for power, and then just 1 pair for the video ... Rory

http://www.nvt.com/applications/pvd_application_concepts.html check out the table which shows the different power voltages. I dont have a boxof wire in my appt right now, But as far as I can remember, 24awg is normal Telco wire, much like RCA, while 22awg is the thicker wire that comes in the RG59 Siamese Cable. So you see, if the camera is 300ma, then with a 12vdc camera its like 50' max ...... Rory

no prob. Im even reluctant to run that thin of a wire in my own appt and only 50' .... but thats me, I want the best quality image as far as the video side goes ... Power wise it just depends on the camera .. Rory

Oh yeah ..... i'd change it! Thats basically the same, basically around the same as just running RCA Cable and Splicing it (or telco wire).... It Would work, probably, at 75', depends on the current draw on the new cameras. If its impossible or hard to run new cables, find out what the draw is of the new cameras then we can figure it out. Rory

So the video cable is the same kind of thickness as in the link? Basically, if it is not RG59, then run new cable. It will probably work okay, but just to be safe, without knowing the exact size of the power wire, and then the camera power ratings, i would run new wire. Im taking over a jo now that has RG56 cable and we are just running all new Siamese RG59 cable one time, its worth it. Ofcourse the best would be some Amplified Active NVT Cat5 transceivers! )) $$$ But then I havent come across anyone yet that could afford that, let alone even the better option, and more $$$$$$$$$ Fiber ..

if that is what it is like, then yes run new RG59 Siamese Cable, power part is probably okay, but that video cable is just way too thin for my liking, Id imagine there must be a large loss of video quality than if using RG59.

Like this??? http://www.spytown.com/premwat100fo.html

this is siamese cable; http://store1.yimg.com/I/spytown_1822_38817172

is it all Siamese Cable or is it RG59 and then seperate Power Cable? Or is it one long lead that came with the cameras??

How do you mean? Never leave a connection exposed if that is what you mean ...silicone wont help , it needs to be sealed in a box like a weatherproof electric gang box, or something that is sealed properly.

The original cable is Siamese cable also? If your existing cable is also Siamese Cable, then you can use the same cable for power and video. Rory

I think he is meaning connecting new cameras where the existing wire is for the original cheap cameras. I dont recommend splicing unless there is no alternative, especially onto RG59. Also, problem with the twisted cable technique, (not to mention damaging the wire) is you see a red and black wire going to the camera, while the Siamese Cable I use, have a seperate inner insulation for the power and the RG59, so the white cable for power goes direct to the camera, then splits the red & black at the very last point, so no red/black wire can be seen from below. That said, I have spliced onto RG59 myself before, there was no alternative.

Once we are taking about Domes or Bullets; Domes and Bullets normally come with a short cable lead from the camera to a connection point. If I cant get the connections inside a ceiling or attic, then I just use a regular sized weatherproof electric gang box and make all connections in there; Power and BNC Connection can normally fit in one of them with ease. I also seal up all cracks or holes with clear caulking (most of the time).

Depends on the camera. It should be okay, see what the power rating for the cheap and the new cameras are. What type and length of wire do you have run from the original cameras for power right now?

Yes. At the Camera end: Just connect the power to the 2 terminals on the camera, and the RG59 to the BNC. You can just split the cable where it comes to the camera, so the power and RG59 is then seperate. I normally split it in the drop ceiling if there is one, so it is loose time as it reaches the camera. At The DVR/Power End: Once again split the cable at a common point, the power will then goto the Multiple Power Supply, the RG59 to the DVR. Then use Tie Straps to make it neat. Its so much easier actually than using Domes/Bullets and Splicing Wires or using Terminal Strips. This way the power and RG59 is direct without any junctions. Rory

I only know the ones in South Florida, if you are interested? There may be some in your area though. Rory

Yes, most sell HiSharp, under different names though sometimes. Rory