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Geez, those Script Kiddies really have nothing better to do these days ... they need to start learning how to implement it in the real world legally so they might have a future other than jail ..

All the Router is doing is, taking a reqest from another IP Address, like yours at a remote location, if it sees a request for say port 1024, it will then redirect the remote user to the internal IP that you set in the router. Depending on the port request, depends on if it is set up to forward to that Internal IP and whether the networked system (DVR or PC) has that port set up to allow requests on that port. Certain server software built into the DVR's Eprom is set for port 1024 for requests and once a connection is established, then say, WaveReader, sends commands to the DVR. The web server is basically an add on, which is why it is installed on the DVRs HDDs. It also connects to port 1024 and can actually be used to connect to ANY other Kalatel DVR, as you just enter a different IP Address once the ActiveX has loaded. The thing is, the Router sees a request for port 80 (essentially but like I said it didnt work for me), then forwards it to the DVR, which sees a request for Port 80, so it redirects to the installed web server on the HDD. If not using a router, the DVR gets the request's automatically and deals with them accordingly. Why they didnt just write the Browser Capability into the DVR's EProm's Server?? dont know, maybe the RTOS (Nulceous) does not support requests to Port 80, or maybe it was cheaper for them just to get someone to hard code some client side VBscript and install it on the HDD ... something I wrote before they did actually, but as an ActiveX from Visual Basic and using ASP. Actually it is really accepting the request anyway, then redirecting, so I guess maybe they could not implment java on the RTOS and obviously not ActiveX so they installed the web server for that, seperately. After tearing their vbcript code apart to see if there is anything new, and also working with their WaveBrowser Control, I found it actually does much less, packaged that way I guess, and thats probably why it has the word "Lite" in the name of the control. I can do alot more with the Control I currently use, though still less than the full control which does not allow development from. Rory

no, port 1024 is the port used to connect to the Kalatel DVR. Port 80, is a default HTTP port, for most web servers, which is used for the web server that is installed on the DVRs HDD, which has nothing to do with actually connecting to the DVR via LAN and viewing video. So regardless of whether the HDD has a web server on it or not, the port that you connect to on the Kalatel DVRs, is always 1024 - this cannot be changed as it is written into the DVR's EPROM (OS). So to get the browser to auto load to the DVRs web server ActiveX software (like what I wrote but it is installed on the HDD), when you enter the ISP's IP Address in the browser's location, it will normally just go direct to that web server, if connected direct to a Cable Modem for example. If using a router, as i posted above on the other message, it is different, you would normally need to port forward port 80 as well. Port 80 is a browsers default HTTP port, well the servers, but just as an example. When you type in www.cctvforum.com, it connects to the Servers port 80 by default, as is set in the web server software (some one correct me if Im wrong, I may be confusing myself here now )

is it that time already ?? I was wondering why there were so many small pine trees all over the place with lights on them! hey we're bahamians, we like to wait to the very last minute .. but happy everything to you and yours and theirs...

no that was just me in 3 different browsers and 2 OS's under my other 50 aliases!

Http will stay the same. For WaveReader or 3rd party software, you need to enable it as port 1024, so it will be 1024 in both text boxes - 1024 to 1024. You can enable Port 80 as well as another application, to goto the same internal DVR, but I have never been able to get the port 80 to work with a router to connect to the DVR, yet, though Kalatel sais it should. I only tested 1 router like this before though, as other clients are only using WaveReader. The ones that have worked were just plugged direct into the Cable Modem. It should work though, so you can try it, I may have had a bad Router or at least it was an older one. I wish I had (could afford) my own personal Kalatel DVR, so then Id be able to test this further, and also, there is so much more I want to do, such as custom local software, controller testing, etc,, and remote control testing, some of which I have toyed with and it works, but remotely over the internet is not the best place to test it. Anyway, one day ...

Okay, but first you need to add a set Router IP into the DVR otherwise adding it in port forwarding/special application in the router will be useless as it will change. Could be different wording in the new routers and/or the 8 channel versions. I just did an 8 channel the other day but im sure it said Port Forwarding or at least Forwarding. Look for Special Application or Gaming & Application, where it has 2 Text Boxes for port numbers, TCP/UTP Drop Down Box, Internal IP address, and a tick to enable box. If you give me your Current IP address, enable the router for remote access, and Ill connect to it and set it up for you from here. Just leave the 'Block Wan Access' off and use the default password or PM me a temp one, you can always change it and change it back. Once I make the changes then I can give you the internal IP to enter in the DVR, and then you will be able to see what I did for future changes. Rory

Ive used, GE Kalatel, Provideo, Hunt CCTV, ExtremeCCTV, WizKid CCTV, Currently Testing, Eclipse CCTV (OEM PRODUCTS) .... Provideo, Okay, but price is high for the fact that most of their Domes are OEMs anyway. I like their bullets, but their Domes can be found same quality elsewhere for less. One of their Domes I used died on me, from weather related illness, so thats why i havent used them since. Hunt - Only used 1 Dome - mostly the same as Provideo, they use alot of OEM products - It was good though, it is a 1 lux color and has held up well - around same price as the Provideo Domes. Extreme CCTV - expensive is all i can say. WizKid CCTV - Cheaper branch of Extreme CCTV - They have a good rdome range called the WZ30, its compact and almost indestructable, i have tested that part of it and nothing we did could break it, including SledgeHammer, Malots, Running over and over it in a large Jeep .... Anyway, nice product, in BW or Color, Fixed Lens. Weatherproof and Eveything Proof as its made in Canada so hey you know . ... Simple to install also. GE Katalel - Nice looking Domes - They are coming out with a Wide Dynamic version in January which Ill probably be selling. The other ones are not that impressive, almost all the ones I have used have had problems with Interference, lines, etc, that would never go away no matter what we did. The only ones that didnt do it were the fixed lens ones, but then the WizKid is cheaper, smaller, and Tougher for a fixed lens version. Kalatel does have a day night exview version but price is high, Panaosonic has a Day/Night Wide Dynamic one at the same price. Eclipse CCTV - Price is amazing, havent really tested the domes yet, they are at the shop but havent had a chance to connect them yet, this week sometime. Plus the one we have is just a standard Res Color. They come in so many versions, B/W, B/W Exview, B/W High Res, Color, Color Exview, Color High Res, Color/BW. Id like to test the Color/BW and Exview versions for sure, as the prices are amazing, and the Product actually looks good. Plus it is vandal resistant and weather resistant. Quality wise (how long it will last) is yet unknown, but for that price its easy to switch it out if need be. For example, Dealer price on the Day/Night is under $150, ofcourse it is standard res not high res. Of the ones I have used, the Wizkid are the easiest to work with, cheaper than the Kalatel and around the same price as Provideo and Hunt. Wizkid has longer Warranties also and better support from any as its also Extreme CCTV. I was looking at the Silent Witness Domes, but no distributors sell them, only can buy direct from Ademco so thats a lost cause. Oh yeah, ADI also but they are a hassle trying to get an account with from the Bahamas, they dont speak English in Miami!! Most higher end brands have UTP also, such as Kalatel, Phillips, even WizKid, as Options. Eveyone seems to be getting on board with the wall mount and Wide Dynamic options now. The Kalatel and WizKid can be mounted ceiling or wall also, Provideo and Hunt are more difficult but Provideo does have 1 camera designed for that now apparently. Its a pitty Silent Witness was not as easy to get a hold of, anyway they are Ademco (Honeywell) now so in any event Im sure the cost is outragous as is with all Ademco Video products. Rory

I sent you a PM, let me know if you need any more info. Rory

EXAMPLE: in the Router, if its a Linksys, Probably the default Range is 192.168.1.100 + 50 SO ... you can check this by going to IPCONFIG in the command Prompt also and see what your IP address is on your Networked PC. If it is in the 100's then thats the range to use. If it is in the 10's then thats the range to use (10+50) Also Subnet should be 255.255.255.0 which may have to be changed in the DVR MEnu System. Gateway will depend on the range also, so if it is in the 100's then it would be 192.168.1.1 If you have less than 9 PCs, then you can simply make it something like 192.168.1.10 or any number up to 50. NOTE: I always change mine to 192.168.1-50 and make my DVR 192.168.1.10 and up, as we always have had less than 9 PCs on our networks. Only if it is a large network then it will be whatever you can make available. This just makes it easier to remember when doing any service or incase a network tech has any questions in upgrades etc. Enter that as the IP in the DVR menu, enter the Subnet mask and the Gateway, Click Enter, and use that IP in your WaveReader locally and you will connect. To connect remotely you would need to port forward to that IP with Ports 1024 to 1024, TCP, and Enabled, name that application whatever you want. Thats it, reboot Router & DVR and you are good to go. NOTE: Routers other than Linksys may be 192.168.2.100 instead of the .1. I have never used any other ones for the DVR forwarding as I have never been able to understand their lingo, Linksys is just simple. Rory

Yes, turn off DHCP in the DVR's Menu System, and enter a fixed IP from the Routers IP Range. Make sure it is one at the end so it does not conflict with other computers. Also make sure you enter the Routers Subnet Mask and Gateway also. Nothing else in the menu program is required besides that. This way it will always stay the same. Also, in the Router, Port forward to that IP and Ports 1024 to 1024 and click TCP & Enable and then you can connect remotely to it. Rory

Same quality of any other cheap BW Bullet camera, they all have the same specs and prices. For example, Provideos Version is the CVC-128R (this may even be that?) and price is the same, they are all OEM made by probably the same manufacturer in Asia. For retail pricing, this is a good price. If you are a dealer, contact me for a better price. B/W Quality is okay, good enough for the price you pay, good enough for a home user. The color quality is 'okay' also, but the color is not great, and they tend to have glare in the image, but for the price, then you cant beat it. Basically you can get away with the cheap B/W Bullet cameras for most applications, when it comes to color then you would need to think about it. Rory

The StoreSafe is definately a good one, but not sure if you want to spend the $$ on it for this application? Do you need Remote Video also? There is a very cheap one, stable, no LAN, for under $500. The StoreSafe 4 channel is around $1400-1600.

Thats a good Bullet, I have had them here for over 3 years still working, outdoors.

Beams and a loud siren, to scare them not to alert the neighbors. Also bullet cameras to record, if you can afford it, you can also add just some dummy cameras in housings around the yard also, just to fake them. Dummy cams in housings are cheap.

Okay then: http://www.spytown.com/cvc-130r.html http://www.spytown.com/ach8w.html http://www.spytown.com/kfl13.html they dont have of the cheap DVRs on Spytown, but if you want I can PM you where to get some from. Ill have a web site set up soon for retail sales of the cheap cheap ones, but just havent dont it as yet. It will ship direct from the Distrubutor to the client, still working out that part. Their cameras are even cheaper than Provideo Bullets, and they have the dead cheap 4 channel DVR. Rory

Install an Optex Beam, accross the area you want to protect, and if not already, at least a 15 watt Siren in a box with a tamper to set off the siren if it is tampered with. Have someone tie that into your existing alarm control. If they are breaking in at night, make sure you have good lighting, or at least some motion sensor lights. Post some Alarm Signs or CCTV Signs around, maybe a Beware Of Dog Sign also. Whats the lighting like in your yard? Will depend for the type of camera to get. Also, bullet cameras are not neccassarily a deterent, as most people wont see them initially. You could buy some Housings and put the bullet cameras in those. If it is just a deterrent, Videolarm has a housing with a blinking red light on it. Rory

What kind of alarm is it? Id install some yard beams if possible, stop them before they get to break into your home, plus have the cameras outside so you can record them. Thats how my set up is here Use some low lux Exview BW Bullets. I just started selling some that see in almost no light.

Actually the firewall is pretty good, It blocks everything from the Shields Up test at www.grc.com, no ports are open, unless i set an exception such as the web server. Yes turned on all that, no pop ups, block installs of software. Means i just have to goto IE to use my software, but all other sites im using ff

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Could be that the wire is near some lighting fixture or high voltage? Is it run loose or is it in a counduit, can you trace the wire? If it is in the same conduit as high voltage than yes this could happen.

Using Twisted Pair you can do it this way, nice, neat and will work. Where all the Coax Cables come in, use 1xNVT NV-3213A (32-Channel Passive Transceiver Hub) for all incoming coax cables. Then output the signals using the UTP side of the transceiver, with a Twisted pair Cable/s up to 32 pairs (1 pair for each camera signal). At the final DVR end, use another NVT NV-3213A (32-Channel Passive Transceiver Hub). If the total distance from the DVR side to the longest camera side, is more than 750', or there may be a ground loop issue, then you will need the Active (amplified) transceiver at the DVR end only: NVT NV-3262R (32-Channel Active Receiver Hub) NVT NV-3213A (32-Channel Passive Transceiver Hub) http://www.spytown.com/nvtnv32popah.html NVT NV-3262R (32-Channel Active Receiver Hub) http://www.spytown.com/nvtnv32poach.html This move will be costly either way, unless you rerun all new wires, though that can also get pricey! One last method ofcourse would be 2x16 or 1x32 Channel Multiplexer/s, with Loop in and out, then just run new coax from that mux to the new DVR location, or simply use BNC adaptors to join the 2 coax together. 300' is kindof long though (on top of runs from existing cameras) so thats why id recommend Twisted Pair, preferably Amplified (Active). Rory

yep, evening lighting

Looking away from IP or PC based systems, this is how it can be done with stand alone embedded DVRs like Kalatel: Ideally you would use Twisted Pair, with Active Transceivers, price goes up but it would be best. Each Kalatel DVR allows 20 users connecting remotely, whether it is the 4, 10 or 16 channel DVRs. hard disk size depends on the amount of cameras and recording lengh you want but it is unlimited with Kalatel DVRs as they also have an external storage device. ($$) If say 16 stores in a row, only want 1 camera each, or 14 want 1 camera each, but another wants 2 cameras, then use 1x16 channel DVR to cover them. You can set up the remote software for different users, to view only selected cameras per user, so say you set user 2 to view camera 2 only, thats all he will see remotely. This can be done various ways, the smaller channel DVR you use, the faster the recording of the cameras will be, and the more users that can connect at one time. Also, Kalatel's Remote Software allows a Remote/networked multi view of up to 16 DVRs and 64 cameras in one window, for adminstrators/security, example, on HD Plasmas/LCDs. Use Multiple PCs for Multiple DVR groups. Anyway, thats one way. Or you can simply go IP camera like my prvious post, recording is rackmounted from a central location, use the IP cameras, or other/existing Cameras with their video Servers, then use their software. Ive never tested their products, YET, but I certainly plan to, as I can write my own software also. For me it will primarily be for Remote Video Monitoring. Rory

Optionally, I have been looking at this for video monitoring application, where I will customise my own software, though they also have software that comes with it but only supports 16 cameras. You may be able to customize the software with the SDK for more than that. http://www.acti.com/ProductsV2/Product_Catalog.Asp