rory

why didnt you get it to work properly? When mine came back from GE I just plugged and play, it works right out of the box, for a front entrance anyway, never tried it outdoors.

One has a higher resolution image than the other, plus it has Infrared LEDs, though I wouldnt depend on it for that, mosy bullets are useless outdoors for infrared, unless it is a small area with surrounding walls. Ive only used Provideo Bullet cameras as they are a well known brand and have good support, and everyone carries them in case of returns.

yep thats exactly right

12 noon...

I personibly don't think it's going to make that much of a difference. I picked up a Ultraview camera last week to try it. Will get an Everfocus to compare. They both use the same CCD. My experiance is that the lens makes more of a difference anyway. A WD cam with night vision and slow capture time sounds really interesting to me. Will post some info after compering them. It doesnt look like the everfocus has night vision, or maybe I was readin the wrong data sheet. Anyway, as for chips, tons of cameras use Sony' chips but they still are very different in camera hardware quality as well as image quality. For example, I use MS software to make a web site, and so do others, but the person that puts more time and effort into it, and knows more, will produce a better quality web site.

so what is a pony?

I have one question, what is a mare??

yeah, never did get into it, yet. I have lots of ideas, but nowhere to go with them, yet. Maybe when I get off this rock Ill be able to take care of all those ideas finally! For now im working on 2 new web sites and a couple other web applications, lots of code. Ill see inbetween if I can throw this idea together to see how it would work. Rory

not Nigeria, but kinda similar: bahamas

DVR: Recorder that Records Video to a hard drive in Digital Quality. They come in various versions ranging from single channels to multiple channels, and PC versions to stand alone machines with non PC Operating systems. The multi channel versions can be quad, multiplexed, or real time recording depending on the DVR. Most come with an Ethernet connection for control over the network or internet with accompanying software. PC versions generally are a standard PC running windows or linux, with PCI cards for the camera inputs. They are very flexible for hardware upgrades. In the event of a hardware failure you can generally fix it yourself, at least without sending it back to the manufacturer. Stand Alone versions are generally machines with Embedded Real Time Operating Systems (microelectronics - such as those used in coffee machines, cellphones, etc), or embedded Linux. Embedded means the operating system is on the computer chip itself, such as the BIOS (black screen on start up) in a PC. It is generally more secure and more stable than a PC version such as Windows, but generally has fewer features. In higher quality versions it can cost more than a PC version, though in lower quality or lower end versions it can be alot less, with ofcourse alot less features. Hardware failures require the machine being sent back to the manufacturer. Quad shows video in a 4 way screen, and records just what you are viewing. These tend to be lower resolution, and are normally the cheaper of all DVRs. A multiplexer is a fast switcher that records each camera individually in full size. As it switches between each image, there will be slight delays in video recording of each camera, and setting the recording speeds, and depending on the DVRs total recording speed, the speed of recorded video will also be effected. Real Time is 30 pictures per second and depends on the DVR make and model on whether you will get this or not. Some more expensive real time DVRs record 30pps on each camera individually, not multiplexed. These tend to come in 8 channel versions geared towards casinos and are not cheap. You can also get cheaper DVRs that will claim Real Time recording, such as 16 channels with 480 pps, though they are actually going to do that in only lower resolution modes, DVD quality (or highest) would generally record at half or less than their total recording speed (not real time) when using all channels. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Why Infrared? If your application has no light at night time, and you would like to see the picture, you will need Infrared Lighting. If your application has very little light at night time, and the camera does not see enough of the picture to pick up the presence of movement, then you will also benefit from Infrared Lighting. Infrared Lighting can save money on the cost of artificial lighting, and saves even more by utilizing photo cells for automatic shut down and turn on of IR lighting. Infrared can be used in a variety of applications. They can be used for Gate surveillance, license plate capture, yard surveillance, and much more. View the wide range of real world examples by clicking on the links below. http://www.extremeCCTV.com http://www.bahamassecurity.com/ms/portfolio.asp ---------------------------------------------------- Day Night Cameras: These are cameras that will switch from color, to Black & white in low light. Black & White is required for Infrared Lighting. Also make sure you purchase a Day Night camera with automatic Infrared Filter (IR cut Filter), for best color picture. This means the IR Cut Filter is on during the day, and off at night. "Purpose of IR Filter in Color Cameras: An IR filter – or IR cut filter - is a color filter blocking the infrared light. There are several good reasons for using an IR-cut filter. Using a color camera to achieve realistic colors in white light requires an IR-cut filter. The color spectrum seen by the human eye is quite limited compared to the spectrum seen by a CCD camera. Especially, in the near infrared region of the spectrum the difference in sensitivity is significant. This is important to know since many light sources, including the sun, emit infrared light. A CCD color camera in daylight without an IR-cut filter will therefore see a significant amount of infrared light resulting in strange colors. Another reason for using an IR-cut filter is the limited color correction for many lenses. It is difficult to design imaging optics covering both the visible spectrum and the near infrared spectrum at the same time. Therefore, many lenses have different depth of focus for the visible and the infrared spectrum. Anyway, the IR-cut filter cuts away a significant amount of the overall collected light and thereby affects the sensitivity in a negative way. In general, color cameras are one factor less sensitive compared to monochrome (depending on the CCD chip). This is primarily due to the IR-cut filter. " - Info courtesy of Jai Camera Solutions There are also Day/Night lenses designed for Professional Cameras (Box Type) which provide a better focus with infrared lighting. There are also many cameras that are all-in-ones with both the camera and infrared LEDs in one housing, such as an IR Bullet camera, or more advanced, ExtremeCCTV's line of IDN cameras: (http://www.bahamassecurity.com/ms/infrared/)

Yeah, but its Everfocus! Thats like COP-USA, Mace, Eclipse, etc ..

-Camera on 2nd floor to get the whole back of the house will go straight down 50 feet, across 20 feet and inside 20 feet. Sounds like a job for a varifocal lens, CVC-7706 would work here. If you need More infrared, as the IR that the bullets put out say 60' but in reality thats more like 20-40 depending on surrounding walls, etc. http://www.spytown.com/spcvcodaweca.html OR if IR is not needed - an Exview Low Light Camera http://www.spytown.com/provcvc6805e.html -The one in the laundry room will go 7 feet down, 75 feet, 25 feet, 20 feet inside. If this is indoors, you CAN get away with something cheaper if you wanted. http://www.spytown.com/cvc-960ir.html OR if IR is not needed - an Exview Low Light Camera http://www.spytown.com/provcvc637ex.html -One in the front will go 25 across, 12 across, 6 feet down, 10 into house. If you have enough light there : (this is the Front Door one?) http://www.spytown.com/provcvc637ex.html OR in a Dome if it is reachable: http://www.spytown.com/cvc-700extp.html http://www.spytown.com/cvc-7005extp.html Or you could use one of those IR bullets listed above. -If a put a 4th camera in the back, that will go 10 feet down, 100 feet across, 25 feet over and 20 feet inside. same as above, depends on lighting and budget You may even want to look at whether you want to spend the money on color, as BW would be cheaper all around I have these outside my appt, and elsewhere, for past 3 years and work great, even went through 2 hurricanes: http://www.spytown.com/cvc-325wps.html If you need assistance on some PRO cameras also let me know, or look at (ignore pricing though as its in Bahamian dollars - its just to give you an idea) http://www.bahamassecurity.com/ms/shop.asp?shop=products&cat=12 Forgot to mention, I would stay very clear of wireless video unless you really need it, as it would have to be done correct for it to work good, and to do that means it would cost an arm and a leg most of the time, for something that works good and lasts. Rory

well as for the cameras, get the newer version of those which is the 7706 as it has a mechanical IR cut Filter, means its better color images in the daytime. Stay clear of the 627's unless you dont mind a less than adequate image, as its not a true Day Night camera. Also, when using bullets, dont expect the quality to be that of a PRO camera, and especially when using the IR versions, you get what you get, for true Infrared to cover large areas you will need a good 100' plus IR Bulb or LED such as ExtremeCCTV's UF100. Never heard of the one you mentioned there.

Yes, here is a thread we had on them: http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5394&highlight=covi#5394

Apart from Ambush, Panasonic is the only One I know of that has day night WD cameras

DVR, what price are you going to be selling it for? And can a person buy say 1 unit at a time? Tanks Dont think it will be on this side for a little while yet thats why I ask. I could get someone here to buy one and that would be my demo Rory

AV you think SoCal is laid back, you need to see the Bahamas .... noone here cares about anything, average speed is 10mph..

if using a NVT-862R active receiver, with passive TX, what do I need to get the control through? Can I join all together and just input them into the DVR? Its not my job, just helping with it, looks like they have a connector/box of sought, with all joined into it, then it goes as 1 pair into the DVR. Video is seperate all together. Basically their problem is they have Baluns with distances over 1000', and video is either there or very bad, due to to far for passive baluns. Thats why we are upgrading to active. Thanks Rory

Yes, but you still loose video quality with anything over 100' without amplification (eg. Active).

Has anyone tried this yet? http://www.spytown.com/pawvandwvcoc.html Not cheap, but check out the specs on the page or in the PDF file, many features, I guess being a 1/2 inch camera makes the difference also. Question is really, is it worth the price??? Also, here is a cheaper model, that is wide dynamic also as well as Day/Night http://www.spytown.com/panwvandwvhi.html Its a WD camera with Day/Night, and other features. Rory

When I say Extreme CCTV I am not comparing their normal cameras (which I myself do not use also), I am asking how does it work along with their Infrared LEDs. Extreme CCTV has the best Infrared Lighting Products in the world at this time for the average consumer (and even for Military use), and their Dual Infrared Day Night All in one cameras are excellent, I have used them. But I am not talking about using their regular cameras like this here, as I myself do not, I only use their IR LEDs or Dual (2 cameras, 1 BW & 1 Color) all in one IR cameras, or B/W LRX cameras with Infrared, as they are really only designed for use with Infrared, not other applications. In other words If I want to see 1200' in Pitch dark using 2 Extreme UF-600 IR Bulbs, how well does this pano camera perform with Infrared Lighting, and how well does it perform still in color mode in low light, compared to EXVIEW. Basically I have used other Day Nights with the IR Leds but still get glare from Car Lights at night with street lights and in Pitch dark, It would be good to know how the SDII performs under IR lighting. Thanks Rory

I have a cyberdome that is coming and going, a few times a day, 24VAC, cat5 cable, any ideas on what to check, in line of importance. Its not new, and been doing this for a year now, I just was asked to look at it, they had someone else maintaining the system before, sho never fixed it. Thanks Rory

This was almost a year ago, but thanks for replying anyway Turned out to be coroded wires at the camera power supply as it was not sealed properly by their original installers, we cleaned it up and it worked fine after that, come to think, I never got paid for the service call!!!

I have a client that used passive baluns and over 1200; his signal was messed up on several cameras, a couple managed to push more than that. But the only reason I really use them is even with Coax or UTP/CAT5 you always loose video quality with the longer the run, even over 100' you loose quality. The Amplified gives you perfect quality as far as you want to go. RG59 is cheaper for me than Cat5 so I only ever sell the Active if I need it. Agreed NVT are very expensive, though they are guranteed to work. Ill check that link you sent in a little while ..writing some code right now.. Rory

Thanks for the reply. I imagine its a perfect match with the Extreme CCTV Infrared Lighting? Have you used it with any of the UF's yet? Also, outdoors, how is it as far as the quality of the image, with cars, people, and low lighting, as far as comparing it to exview, how low light is the color before it switches to B/W? Thanks Rory