rory

http://my.ecplaza.net/menix/2.asp was doing some searching and came across this, interesting cheap product. and some more .. http://my.ecplaza.net/menix/6.asp http://my.ecplaza.net/menix/3.asp

pHillipz?

Baxall? If so, how do their prices compare to others like Phillips, Ge, etc.

http://en.asmag.com/supplier/content2.php?id=382 more info on Bosch. I was just looking at the Baxall products, a UK manufacturer, they have a very wide range of CCTV products, and some good specs also. I wonder what kind of pricing they have in the US?? Anyone?

Im comparing the GE Vandal Proof Domes, full camera guts in it, same as Ganz, but housing is already weatherproof. Cost is around $350 compared to $500 for the ganz. they make some neat pc's/gadgets though. http://www.dynamism.com But id buy USA for CCTV myself. If I was in the UK, id buy UK. But i do like the specs of the ganz domes, just will have to wait until they drop the price for outdoor domes before i can try one.

In surveillance the main priority should be reliability. Embedded technology has the edge over PC-based DVRs when it comes to reliability. The core reason, is the embedded operating software is dedicated to managing video, where PC-based operating systems handle multiple processes simultaneously, potentially causing a higher level of failure. With PC-based systems an operator may be required to operate a system that is beyond his IT expertise. However, embedded technology allows for much easier operation and is more user-friendly, leaving more time for the operator to fulfil his job description with greater ease and functionality. Management on the other hand have the full flexibility of a graphical user interface.

GE and Phillips cameras are about the same price in the US. Ganz is more expensive anywhere you go in the US. Actually just took another look, their traditional cameras are now the same price. Its their Fixed Domes that are much more, $525 for an outdoor fixed dome with auto iris. Reason is they charge an extra $125 for the outdoor housing for the dome. http://www.spytown.com/comganzcserb.html Bosch and GE and other brand names, all have standard dealer pricing, everyone pays the same, unless you buy in bulk and become a distributor.

its all in your mind 10 total people voted for it

thats because alot of people here are consumers not installers.

Dinion Cameras and GE cameras are half the cost of Ganz, in the US, dont know about the UK though.

GE Kalatel - $2990 List Pricing (much less for dealers) ADS - $2220 List Pricing (much less for dealers) ADS - PC based version - more features, 2 way audio, etc http://www.adsdvr.com http://www.kalatel.com

you just got it fixed? I would have thrown it out in the first week! But then im pretty impatient

Phillips Dinion Cameras (now Bosch) are good, Ive used them in the past. I use them instead of GE cameras sometimes. LTC 0485 Dinion XF Color Cameras This actually has the same name also: http://www.sunellsecurity.com/SN-485C.htm IF I were you I would buy it from Phillips though, better tech support, plus you dont live in Asia. One thing though, the specs are not the same, except for resolution. Lux, SNR ratio, and some other features, are different. Perhaps it is an OEM from sunell and Phillips ads their own chips or programming.

not bad. Do you have the remote software that I can demo? Is this your site? These are retail prices? thanks Rory

a 'good' day night camera costs around $400 dealer price.

Im on the same page with you as regards to analogue cameras at least Webservers over this side are more expensive than that though, more in the range of $600+ for 8 channels. From what i see, its mostly computer companies that sell IP cameras, with not much prior knowledge of the CCTV or security industry. Not that thats a bad thing, there is a market for both, and a 'little' competition is always a good thing. When you say 2 hours for 16 camera install, remember though even with WIFI, the camera will still require some power installation, so wire is always going to be with us no matter what happens. Besides it would take more than 2 hours for one person to install 16 cameras drilling into concrete etc, but I know where you are coming from either way. Cut out the electrician wiring or in house wiring and you cut down on conduit and maybe a week of running wire. Problem here with any wireless is most buildings are pure concrete, with alot of steel, so wireless is very limited and works only some of the time, but it is nice when it does. Another thing you are forgeting is the Stand Alone PC, looks like an embedded stand alone, but is PC baced: http://www.adsdvr.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=dvr Or the EzSys ones you said you use also. Rory

an embedded stand alone, or PC stand alone, that works with both like you said, and only 1 static Ip is required for the actual DVR. Upgradable Hard Drives, 2 way audio, all channel audio recording, interlinking DVRs, Real time on all cameras (30pps), Flash & Firewire & DVDRW and other back up & archiving, 64 camera multi site views (or whatever fits neat on a 63" Plasma), unlimited sites(DVRS) into custom views, Access Control Integration, Burglar Alarm integration, Wireless LAN for wireless IP cameras, Wireless Frequencies for Wireless Cameras (eg. 2.4Ghz, 1.2 ghz, 5.8 ghz), SDK software/controls, Multiple Video Outputs (RGA, COMP, SVideo, etc), Tablet PC, Pocket PC, Palm, Wristwatch Monitor of single ch video (like the casio type digital camera watches), Conferencing feature ... i may have forgot something, just throwing in some ideas

Havent heard back from tech support, but reading the manual for the: CBR-PB3-POS-RCD The GE Interlogix CBR-PB3-POS-RCD (PB3) is a specific model of ProBridge that interfaces the DVMRe family of digital video multiplexer/recorders to retail point-of-sale (POS) devices often identified as electronic cash registers (ECRs). One PB3 is required per cash register. Where multiple cash registers are connected to a single DVMRe unit, the individual PB3’s are interconnected through its built-in RS485 network.

Hi Alan, I got some pricing and info. Ill PM you when I read through it. They actually look like some very good DVRs, and the price is not that high. High quality looking DVR, lots of features, embedded Linux or PC based stand alones. Optional CDRWs and some professional remote software. Multiple audio imputs, 2 way audio on the PC stand alone units, mini cases. Plus they have a SDK. Talked to them on the phone yesterday. Rory

give me until later on and Ill post a reply. Rory

I know this is old, but has anyone tried any of these mobile DVRs: http://www.aegison.com/

post anymore info links you have on this, on both sides, pros and cons. Rory --------------------------------- http://www.opkansas.org/_Bus/Business_Safety/cctv.cfm Many CCTV situations promote a false sense of security. A good example is the use of "dummy" or false cameras. This may lead an individual to believe the area is being monitored and any criminal activity will generate an immediate response. Signage might also lead to a false sense of security. Signs which convey a message the cameras are utilized for the "safety and security" of patrons can lead to potential liability problems if the public believes cameras are monitored at all times and help is on the way if they become victimized. Use of "dummy" cameras, or not monitoring real cameras due to staff shortages or restrictions can create liability. It is important to determine the exact purpose of the camera and monitoring procedures. Share that information with those who may be impacted by it, generally the employees. http://www.peelpolice.on.ca/prevention/cctv.htm Doing anything is better than doing nothing. Don't use dummy cameras. They neither help nor do they fool anyone.

"In surveillance the main priority should be reliability. Embedded technology has the edge over PC-based DVRs when it comes to reliability. The core reason, is the embedded operating software is dedicated to managing video, where PC-based operating systems handle multiple processes simultaneously, potentially causing a higher level of failure. With PC-based systems an operator may be required to operate a system that is beyond his IT expertise. However, embedded technology allows for much easier operation and is more user-friendly, leaving more time for the operator to fulfil his job description with greater ease and functionality. Management on the other hand have the full flexibility of a graphical user interface."

they dont mention 38,000 feet in the air doing 560mph though! Ill email them though and find out, thanks. I did find 2 others, mostly used on commercial airlines, not sure if they do it for private airlines but will also see what happens there. Rory

are not ground loops caused from different phased electric? If so then would it be cheaper for them to put the electric on the same type of phase? Im no electrician so i may be wrong here, just thinking..