rory

Okay, Ill give you an example here. 2 exactly the same cameras, dark car park, 2 different lenses, but one has the Iris level darker than the other. Camera 10 is darker, but gives a better crisper image, camera 11 is lighter, sees in the dark better, but image is not as good, in day or night time with light. Dont know of this helps, but maybe check the IRIS level on the Ikegami. (camera 11 housing is dirty right now also from rain) PS. Im changing out Camera 10 next week for the Kalatel Ultra View Wide Dynamic Camera by the way, and Camera 11 for the new Exview. Camera 10 Camera 10 With Lighting: Camera 11

Could just be the Ikegami is a defect camera also, or has settings like you said you could not translate! Other issues could be lighting, where the Ikegami does not respond as well to Street Lights, or smudges on the Ikegami Chip from installation. How is the night image on the ikegami? Higher lux cameras can produce better images in the day than low light Exview, BUT, shouldnt be in your case. Is Ikegami a cheap camera?? I had some High Res COP Security cameras give me crappy images, when lower res bullets gave great ones.

Ahhhhh! Cop Security cameras ))

Cant answer on the GEO, but using a computer monitor on a PC DVR i just changed some lenses and housings for, the full screen is noway as clear as direct to a CCTV Monitor, or even a TV. Though Im sure they will all be different. It will generally not be as clear as direct from the camera to a CCTV Monitor though, or a cctv mux to a CCTV monitor. Like I said, speaking from the PC Dvrs I have seen over here so far, mostly Chinese i think (no names), so GEO could be different. Can you use the video out to a TV to test it? If not you can always test it using a BCN T connector at the connection, going into the DVR card, and out to a TV. My 19" and 13" TVs in my home are very crisp, for TVs, CCTV monitors are the best as they have higher resolution, and are designed to be left on 24/7, in other words they will last longer. Not sure how well Computer monitors do, but I leave mine on pretty much 24/7 these days

No, they cant provide us with any more info, but someone on here got pricing from them and its more than the Kalatel unit. Ive leaned towards the Provideo DVR-16/IP embedded linux DVR, cheaper, and better brand support in Amittyville NY. Price is good also. Great for lower budgets. Awaiting one still as they dont stock them at my distributors, should have been here by now.

proper lens and formats, the 480TVL would generally be a crisper image, as it is higher resolution. BUT, depends on the camera and its lux level, lighting conditions, type of cameras, and then some.

which routers, this is something ive been looking for, for NO IP. thanks rory

do you have a link to check it out? thanks rory

yep, Kalatel has a 15" LCD 500TVL now, and a 17" LCD also.

Hi They are great cameras, but there is more to a wireless system than the cameras themselves. The price on those are very high also. However, if you use the EX82 version, will give IR video up to at least 100 feet in pitch dark, I have already used the EX82 and this is proved. I have not yet used their wireless, they have solar set ups now also so it will be totally wireless. If you really need totally wireless Day and IR night, then these are a good product. However, the battery is not designed to last that long though. If you can get power to it then it will be better. Where do you plan to use them, and for what application?And do you really need to see in Pitch Dark? also, is the client/yourself willing to pay the money that these cost? Can you do the application without wireless, as hard wired normally will be more stable and cost less? Some things to consider first. Attn: Larry Doan, Director / Sales Manager E-mail: sales@ExtremeCCTV.com He will be able to help you with any questions regarding their products. You may also want to look at traditional day night cameras, and then add some Extreme CCTV Infrared LEDs for pitch dark. Let me know also, I have all the specs/prices here on them and some experience with them, if you like. Rory

whoops, RGB input, thats computer PC only right? though maybe with an adapter it will still do CCTV good, as its res is high?

thats a good price, Ill check it out, thanks for the link I dont know enough about LCDs to compare specs, maybe Didly can put some input in here, he seems to know this area. Either way. does it have CCTV input (composite), cant tell? Rory

yes, 2 different worlds, we have people here that dont even have computers yet. The majority of my jobs only require a simple standalone system without all the features you guys are using. I guess if you get use to all those features, it would be hard to use something else. Im actually looking at a fully integrated Access Control, Video Surveillance, Alarm Monitoring PC system, by GE or similar. Joint Access control/CCTV/Fire is now a big thing down here now with large businesses, and something worth going into. Some locksmiths are doing it but not to the degree that we can, and rely on their distributors input only. GE's system, yes PC card, Intel etc, integrates with the Kalatel DVMRe's and other brand DVRs, as well as many other things, still need more info on it, and looking at other brands also. I am actually looking at a high end home automation system that is used world wide, will let you know I find out, it intagrates with different brands of different security products, as well as the home automation part, uses its own wireless touch pads, its the most expensive out though, but worth it for the $10 mill homes we are bidding on now, for automation anyway. DVR, im not knocking your systems, Im sure you build killer DVRs, but its different here. I am actually looking at other brands besides GE for the system control, I will go with the best in our region for support, training, etc. Price is not an issue in this case. Im also going into Fire Systems, we have a trained & certified Fire crew, Video Monitoring with the alarm monitoring company I work with, along with a local armed security guard force who will do the actuall video monitoring part, for armed security response. While we do the alarm part, as well as CCTV sales and installations, automation, access, etc. We also have a local locksmith we will work with. We will be targeting the entire bahamas as most islands now have Cable internet, noone is doing this here yet. We also have a close relationship with a new wireless internet company here, as wireless is not yet here, but will be in the next month or so. It will be one large company made up of other companies. So im not close minded entirely on the PC system thing, just for retail etc, its in my best interest to use a stand alone, especially to cut down on tech support, and for warranties, my distributors generally stock stand alones, kalatel being the number 1 stocked, DM the second. Not sure if we will do any Licence plate capture yet, but I will keep GEO in mind, and actually see if I can get my hands on one; no Flordia distributors sell them though, so we will have to buy from california or somewhere up north.

Im looking for a board camera that is color & BW switching, and high quality, no cheap manufacturers, though id consider them also. Can be fixed lens if it comes like that, or varifocal. Thanks Rory

CCTV LCD Monitors in the US start at around $800 and go up, they have higher resolution than normal computer LCDs, but still not as good nor as cheap, as a CRT. However for spacesaving they can be neat. Dell has some Ultra Crisp LCDs like 19-21", not sure if these will work with CCTV or not, havent checked the specs, they are not cheap neither, but the picture is the best I have seen on any LCD yet, and as good as any CRT computer monitor (limitations like screen resolution being an issue though, have to run small).

no thanks, because I sell Extreme CCTV also, but noone has asked any questions about them yet! )) by the way I just ran over one their domes in my jeep, and it did not break, and we used a sledge hammer over and over, and nothing, but it did scrape! Well worth buying the housing even if only that, then you can add your own board camera. I also sell Provideo and push them over Eclipse, Everfocus, or other cheapos. There is a need for different brands, there is basic, moderate, and high end, prices I mean!

I was really imrpessed with the NVT 1662R with NVT 211 TXs, at a location here I started servicing, no signalloss at all from what I could see visually, and no interference. THOUGH, reasone they called us was one camera (PTZ) was coming and going with video loss, we cleaned up the wire connections and it seems fine now. Anyway, anyone else had experience with UTP wiring for cameras? I noticed they only used very thin twisted pair wire, and still got a great video picture, I guess its the amplified UTP transceiver hub that does all that work? Rory

- a pitty i cant win a green card! Data Sheet and Brochure on it should answer your questions. [link removed by rory, reason dead link] As for the back focus, not sure without trying one or emailing them, doesnt look so, but it has on screen settings, and also preset modes which is pretty cool. I've ordered one so should know by next week.

ill have that provideo in a couple days, should have been here by now, its the RTOS linux w/ CDRW, RM HDD, 120GB, etc. $1200-1500 wholesale. Yes, a Geo Card plus a computer will cost the same or more as a StoreSafe once you purchase a PC, and add all the time required to build and test it ($150 per hour labour). Security doesnt need all those PC features right now, at least not in the bahamas. Yes, DM is another big name here, was my original first choice, but its remote software is limited, only shows a quad at a time, no 16 way. There were some other reasons i picked Kalatel AV, lower price is one of them.

still much more stable and easier to use than a PCI card, and it looks more professional.

Made in the USA! Firstly though, the StoreSafe is the low end Kalatel Unit, you should take a look at the DVMRe as it has a few more features, not grey, is charcoal black. If you got the StoreSafe advanced, you would have had PTZ, Audio, and POS/ATM support. I sell the StoreSafe because it is cheaper than similar products from other Manufacturers, and compact size, with all the features a CCTV application requires. Remember that Network and PC support are secondary in a CCTV system, primary is local CCTV monitoring and control, high end monitors and controllers, multiplexing and much more, back up and evidence sharing. you must have had a dud, they have never crashed on me. Send it back! Do you mean multiple users at one time, they support 20 simultaneous users over the network. Yes, they have POS and ATM support in the version that has audio. It has bandwidth throttle over the network. Other than that you dont need to adjust anything as its not a PC. Buy a PTZ Full PTZ Support. Kalatel has been making top selling PTZ cameras for years so they have actual experience in this area not found with other DVR companies. If another brand like Panasonic or Ultrack had the range and pricing of the Kalatel DVRs, I would sell theirs also, so far they dont. GE doesnt just make 1 type of DVR. For a comparison between the different GE DVRs, check this out: http://www.geindustrial.com/ge-interlogix/docs/digital_recording_matrix.pdf But no, it will not have the amount of features found in PC software, most Embedded devices do not have the featured software as their competitors software based. For example, I have 2 radio systems for the alarm monitoring, one does everything through DOS software, the radio comes in on COM 1, out on COM 2 to the monitoring computer using windows software. The software controls all the alarms etc and must be running all the time. The 2nd radio system has a radio and the unit that does all the processing, embedded. It has 2 outputs, one to the monitoring PC and one to the DOs computer. The software though on this DOS computer has no where the features of the other one, but, we can rack mount the other and not even use the computer or monitor at all, saving space. The features lost are like turning off alarms after 2 minutes instead of them running until we manually push a ACK button, and a couple other minor features. Yeah I know, DOS, but thats how all these Alarm radio systems are. So no, embedded never have PC features like a PC system.

changing the subject... http://www.crowelec.com/crowjetusb.html check this out, im using it now actually, for remote video, not bad, a little technical to use, but ok for remote video. 15pps so recording over 4 cameras is slow and glitchy, especially as its going through a USB port. But in all, cheap and dont have to open up the PC. Doesnt work great with all OSs though, and i noticed some computers we loaded it on such as XP, it wont work at all! Win 2000 worked but gave a ton of errors. Still might sell it as an alternative with some cheap bullet cameras You know, in the ghetto!

Actually, Stand Alones are easier to install, simpler to use, more stable, more secure, better local video quality , longer recording/archiving. PC DVRs have better PC/Remote software, Faster Recordings, better remote/pc video quality, and are cheaper.

Its 60pps, and its the same price as the StoreSafe 30pps. Only difference is the StoreSafe is a compact unit with some less features, but compact and thats the pro. Absolultely - email or message to cellphone or other. Yes you can listen in but not using the DVR direclty, but then you can do that with any PC, even a Web cam! You can simply add a Louroe Audio Remote Phone Device, or the Kalatel 8 channel Streaming Video/Audio Server. But noones going to smash my DVR once its locked up and secure, where your PC is not Unless you are going to git that PC in a filtered and cooled lockbox somehow, and secure it in a ceiling or similar. Ofcourse first they have to get through the outdoor beams, door contacts, glass breaks, and motion sensors. No not garbage, it makes a difference. You would agree that a Ganz Camera is better than a similar COP USA camera?? You are really stuck on this thing being made in Asia arent you! Maybe you should email them and ask them cause I dont care once its 'built' in the USA. Id rather a nice looking quality unit than some cheap looking unit. Yes, the Asians can build their chips and boards, but they make some ugly DVRs and Ugly DVR software. At least where these DVRs are made. Umm, where do you get that it is over priced? Yes it is not cheap, you pay for what you get. BTW, Kalatel DVRs are cheaper than Dedicated Micros, Phillips, Ultrack, Panasonic, Pelco, and others. So in that league it is not over priced, though I wish it was much cheaper. But you cant compare Asian DVRs to these quality units. They do sell their products alot, most businesses buy high end Stand alones over a PC card, as they realize how stable a PC card is running windows Granted, most people dont just run the one DVR program on their PC, they will inevetably run email and other crashing software. As for the number of posts for PCI cards on here, most people on the forum here are looking for DIY home applications, not professional, they dont mind the time and patience required for a PCI DVR card installation and maintenance. Selling the unit to non computer geeks is a different story, and that is what we deal with here, they dont want much at all to do with a computer if they can. But, in the end, use what you know and are happy with. I know once i unwrap that Kalatel DVR, plug it in and all the camera cables, in under 5-10 minutes from start to finish, im walking out the door and dont have to come back for another couple of years, if that! I just made $5000+ profit ) Hmmmm. They have a DVR locked away in a lock box, hidden with fan and filter, or a neat compact unit in their home entertainment center, and I can change all settings of the DVR remotely, and alot more. So it works for me.

#1 - Web Cams are not made for 24/7 Video Surveillance. IP cameras normally are if you buy a good brand like a Panasonic or similar. BTW, thats alot of locations to obtain for your first CCTV job! ) Should be a pro after all that!