rory

hermin do you have the remote software for eclipse, id like to try it, but there is no link on their site. Also, what kind of price range are you talking about, say the 4 channel with remote view?

Thanks

Rory

check out Provideo, thay also have cheap no frills DVRs and a large range of decent low cost bullet cameras.

Ill have to take a look at the eclipse DVR section, I think I was thinking of everfocus, another cheap manufacturer, and heard their DVRs are not that good, and support also.

Working on some new browser software, dont like the kalatel's browser GUI.

Anyway, anyone with a Kalatel DVR please test this for me and let me know here or by email if it works or not.

Right now only buttons that work are the live connect button (right next to the IP Input text box, it has a picture of a camera), Save, Print, Multiple Screen Displays, Full Screen Modes, and Disconnect. Once again, just threw this together tonight, going to bed now (6am!). Havent finished but you can view live video either way, just want to know if any issues on different systems, and if i have forgot any dlls in the container (cab) file.

You will need to adjust your security settings for activeX to prompt where it sais disable, and click OK when it asks if you want to install the files. Win98 and 2000 may have to reboot first after installation. If you already have WaveReader on your PC then it will work either way as you will already have tthe files. No password section yet, will have to add that later on.

http://www.bahamassecurity.com/ms/remote/IVuePro.asp

user = demo

pass = beta

Thanks

Rory

do you mean something like no-ip.com?

i put one on a router, port forwarded to it. i dont like no-ip though, i prefer to pay the extra couple dollars for a static ip.

no ip just emails you when your ip changes, but the computer running it has to be on all the time. ive heard some routers have this built in, havent tried that yet.

When i do ill write it into my custom software, so the IP is automatically entered so the user doesnt have to keep changing it.

Rory

eclipse is one of the cheapest products on the market, id stay clear of them when it comes to cameras.

finally arrived, dont buy it if you need it quick, or even kindof quick, or anyway, took like a month to get here, or longer.

Will post updates here on what i find out after testing it.

This is a vdeo server is it not.. you do not need I.P cameras at all just webservers which you can get at $200 US for a four input so why would you pay $1000 x 4 for I.P cameras when you can run a webserver instead.

 

I.P and standard CCTV are the same at the head end and anything that I.P does DVR can do as well, they are cheaper than a matrix as it is easier to assign cameras but that is it.. Both can be moved if used over internet or ethernet and both cost the same for head end solutions. as I said I see the future not in I.P cameras but wireless networked cameras

yep, that sums it up.

yep, sounds good, anyway to make life easier and still make money, is worth looking forward to

Unfortunately we dont have any wireless internet here as yet, the local communications company is a government monopoly, and have set laws against almost anything, unless you pay them a fortune in fees. So much for tax free! :-0

I do have a connection with a local company who has been setting up wireless internet, but its on the hush hush, and they primarily do inhouse wireless or hard wired networking. Hopefully once things take off, this will all get better. Then I can start looking at Wireless IP camera solutions.

You realise though, US casinos and the ones located here governed by the US casino board, still have set requirements, and they are still stuck on Tape. I have read it is different in other countries, I think it was a casino in Austrialia actually that went digital using Ultracks DVR Solutions, was in an atricle I read on the Ultrack web site a while back.

I dont know, I came into this when Tape was still being used, and still is by some, but though it is somewhat reliable, it is still tape, and can be damaged. Thing with digital, you can still archive to DAT tapes if you wanted to. Not my area of expertise though, but Im sure DVR knows this side.

One thing about Kalatel though, Im sure others in the name brand area, I asked about software for Pocket PC, they have nothing yet. Ill have to buy my own Pocket PC, and write my own, when I can afford one, unless someone wants to send me a used one!

ill leave that up to you , let me know how it goes )

Just got a DVMRe-CT in replacement of a StoreSafe today. It looks cool. Its much thinner than the StoreSafe, almost 1/4 of the size, longer though, looks like a mux. Maybe they are built by different departments? The DVMRe has been around alot longer than the StoreSafe.

The DVMReCT has much more features, and is currently 60pps. More of an industrial looking device than the Store Safe, but the main thing ai like about the StoreSafe is its compact size for Lockboxes, and its stand alone. But the DVMRe is definately a different monster. Ill let you know how it goes. May even open it

Also got a Provideo DVR-16/IP, havent tested it yet, havent even seen it yet, my colleague got it in today. From starters, remote software is a task, and seems it is only browser based. It has local network playback etc, but for over the internet, the only options are browser. Havent hooked it up to the cable modem yet, he sais later on tonight. Its definately not close to the ease of installation and remote use of the Kalatel, or any other products I have seen, including DVR cards. The manuals say things like for remote video, just enter your IP information, but dont say what info, nor what program, and dont say you must enter it into a browser! It only has that one line, enter your IP information to view remotely over the internet ...where are these guys made again, Sungwang or something like that right, originally i mean.

Anyway, will let you know how that one goes also..

Really though, I was surprised to see how much it looked like the guts of one of those old HP desktop PCs, remember going inside them to change hard drives etc and was hell! Can win 95 run on power PC chip set? They only list a couple RTOS's that are supposedly supported, but like i said, give it a whirl.

I AM stuck on stand alones, and Kalatel right now because of the great support and wide range of products, but not stuck on the StoreSafe, depends on the app. If this provideo proves ok, then ill sell it for home or cheaper retail users. So far the software is 'almost' the worst I have seen, or morseo the hardest to set up and very bad instructions, but we will see what i find out by tomorrow (10.30pm here). I was told the actual hardware device itself was easy to install, by my colleague, it almost self installs, its RTOS linux.

And I DO understand how we have to run XP to be able to use most of the current Codecs, its been the norm with MS from '95 days, everytime they make a new OS, hardware writers change their specs. Dont worry though, im not even close to switching to mac, i still like my windows, any version. yes I know how to trim it down to look and operate like older windows, my concerns are more towards non techs who have all the default settings and call me to fix the worms they get; granted most are using an Instant messanger program and that just makes things worst (trojans). As for my usage, I just have had a faster system and more luck using windows ME, that can all change in the near future with newer hardware though. And whats the deal with Server 2003? Is that happenning or not? Never used or seen it yet.

Rory

got it guys. thanks. Turns out was not a ground loop, but just the wires that go direct into the board for video, must have been loose. I Unplugged and put back in and the lines are gone now. Weird .

ive finally got my parents using the update on their XP computers.

I take out auto update as its just something else to slow you down when you are in the middle of something.

Personally, I have never had to update windows Me. Im not saying id use it for a pc card DVR streaming video 24/7, as no, its not designed for that, but id definately not use XP. 2000 or linux a better choice.

I opened up a damaged (by shipping) StoreSafe the other day, reminded me of the Old win 95 Hewlett Packard desktop PCs, those mini ones with everything compressed into it. Definately hard to work on inside, anyway, partss are not PC parts so nothing I could do anyway. Memory looked similar, different type though. Hard Drive looked the same as IDE, but I didnt check it to see exactly. It is supposed to be SCSI, maybe it is.

Anyway ...

for a varifocal low light day/night, auto iris:

http://www.csi-speco.com/cart/products/productDetails.asp?prodID=543

And a long going mobile DVR:

http://www.geindustrial.com/cwc/products/ge-interlogix?pnlid=9&famid=63&catid=1088&id=MobileView&lang=en_US

Though i wonder how well the mobile DVRs actually work, they are probably designed for good roads, which we have none of here! You may need some sought of wireless transmitters or server so you can record it out of the vehicle instead.

have fun

The ability to have shorter cable runs is a big plus for IP Camera solutions. Also, the ability to easily move the Head-end room in case of a remodel is big as well.

 

I also don't think you can properly compare the power of a Video Server to DVR's. They of course are very simular, but having a true Server is much more expandable, upgradable and powerful. I'm talking about Server level computers, not Store bought PC's. For large installations, our solutions are all on Server Class systems. This can included Dual Xeon Processors, Large Serial ATA or SCSI drives for Terabytes of storage if needed.

 

IP Cameras are coming just like VOIP is now the only way to go for telephones. It is a computer world, and it will continue to go that route.

I dont even use PC based DVRs anyway. Security in most peoples minds around here = Stability, and that is where the stand alones and conventional CCTV shines. I still dont see IP cameras taking over CCTV, it will more than likely just stay in the computer company areas. For example, Casinos cannot use it, as the quality is not high enough, and the bandwidth would be slow. Perhaps for home users it will if it hasnt already take over, but the software would have to be free. Anyhow, will see in the future,, yes moving the head end unit is easier, but then you can do that with conventional CCTV when using a DVR for remote video, same thing. Still your cat5 network cables come back to one switcher, same as CCTV.

If they can get the same quality and speed of conventional CCTV, i will start using it, but not to date.

Anyway, on to the VOIP, check this out, it will make you laugh! In our country, the government run telecommunications company has made it illegal to use VOIP with a $300K fine! They are rackaeteering, they are a monopoly. I think they are getting to friendly with cuba!!

http://www.freedombahamas.com/

Rory

everything you can do with IP, you can do with conventional CCTV, but with better quality. Including long range wireless video, fiber, etc.

if you 'think' it is hogwash, whatever that means, then run them side by side and test it. I use ME every day, and XP on other machines, and ME is my main PC and beats them by 50% speed. I would never switch to the worst ever OS with 30+ hot fixes to make it work!

For some new computers, you dont have a choice, as they are only made for XP.

Getting vertical lines, going to the right. They are actually slightly slanted to the right also, yes, like a forward slash, not quite as slanted though.

This is with a fixed mini dome. Any ideas? If the camera is pointed straight up, it seems to go away, but when you point it down looking more towards the ground, the lines come in again, looks like interference, but dont think it is. COuld it be the power cables loose on the power board, if so any ideas on how to fix it, without sending it back??

They are 24VAC also. The Monitor and mux is in the same outlet, the cameras are on a 24VAC 8 channel fused Power Supply, in an outlet on the opposite side of the wall. This is tested with direct into monitor without the mux (DVR).

Rory

YOu know, there is one little thing that has not been mentioned. CAT5 only has a limit of 320 feet of transmission, I know that there is equipment that makes the run to go as far as 1000' feet, but that's an extra cost, plus you also got to remeber that a lot of companies that already have networks in place, are always worrying that the network load is already too much for their existing equipment, so when you start adding cameras in top of it, then there is the chance that the normal network funcions could slow down to a crawl when the systems integration are not deployed properly, plus you also have the problem where most of the inexpensive back end equipment only supports 253 devices, I'm talking PC'S, Printers, Servers, Routers, ETC. and to my understanding IP cameras use a static IP, so for the 5-10 PC small network it will have little and no impact, but when you go to a big corporation, say a multi-branch Bank, then you might run into problems at the back end.

 

I always will have one belief, Computer and Security should work together, but not on the same lines, you never know what could happen.

 

My 2 cents

Actually, i wouldnt use go the UTP way unless i use an Active UTP transceiver, that gives you no loss up to 1.5 miles with cat5.

As for Baluns, you can run around 600' with just the balun to balun.

Passive to passive video transmission over UTP will have image loss similar to RG59 at same distance. This is because the signal is attenuated by the resistance of the cable. If you intend to use a DVR at the monitoring end, you should limit passive to passive transmission distances to 750' or less. (Digital recorders will reject or muddle video signals after 6-8dB of loss).

Passive transceivers or transmitters will give you up to 1000', or 3000' when using a passive transmitter with an Active Transceiver, or 3000' when using a passive transceiver with an Active Transmitter. Active Transceiver and an active Transmitter will give you up to 1.5 miles with Cat5 cable, 3000' with cat2 or cat3 wire. You can also repeat them to give you longer runs.

I like to keep the security seperate also.

You can link up to 32 DVRs/Keypads on 1 RS485 network, in any combination of DVRs and Keypad controllers.

A larger matrix system can have 512 cameras, 64 monitors, 64 keypad controllers, 64 muxes, 64 VCRs, 512 Alarm Inputs, 512 switched audio locations, unlimited remote surveillance. Up to 10,000 feet between each system device using RS422 wire. All rackmountable and does not use your PC network. This is where conventional CCTV shines with large facilities, universities, etc, of course it is not cheap though. They also have PC control with GUI software for all of this, that can connect and control all of the above, and also view a visual layout of everything in the system, and when things happen like a gate is activated, that camera comes up automatically, and the person using a badge for access is identified compared to their id record in the database.

I can see where IP cameras will be useful with wireless internet. It really seems the majority of people installing iP cameras are computer companies. This makes it easier for them as they do not have to learn all the other CCTV equipment such as matrix, muxes, BNC connections, etc. Its simply easier to install. Thats why I was actually looking at it in the first, was because it seems so much easier.

Rory

From what you are saying, it still doesnt make it any easier or cheaper than a true CCTV system. You should take a look at www.nvt.com, and their UTP / cat5 solutions. A PTZ camera is still better quality than a IP PTZ camera, when using a keypad controller to bring up the camera on a CCTV monitor, and with active UTP you get no signal loss or interference.

it was the worst of the OS's that MS ever relaeased it even crashed when gates went to Debut it live for the first time..

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you should know better than that, XP is the ultimate worst OS ever made.

My ME never crashes.

XP, always on every machine i have seen, never restart, buit always a software crash and a 'send or dont send box', and much slower than ME.

and dont forget the security fixes needed for XP, none at all are needed for ME. Side by side ME is more powerful. I dont know what you use it for, but gaming, video, imaging, program development, etc, it blows XP down. Ofcourse depends what hardware you are using, and if its a dell, well its going to crash anyway! If you are rich enough to have a 3 Ghz CPU than anything will be fast, but guess what, when everyone is getting all the latest worms, etc, Ive never been touched. I never ever have to update my OS software which is just a waste of time, and half the time makes it worse and slower in the end.

XP = windows Update = Worm Infested = SLOWEST OS EVER

XP would be the last OS I would choose for a DVR for security.

I have used Channel Vision so far. One issue is I had to buy a Cable TV Filter as the Cable signal would cause interferenc in the CCTV video feed. Other than that it is very simple to set up. Its nowhere the same quality as using a direct feed from the CCTV mux/camera into the TV input, and nowhere close to the quality of a CCTV monitor in any event.

Rory

hi

ive used the Kalatel RSM-1600. It is a phone line transmitter. 3 video inputs, with an expansion module to 10 (I think it is 4 now with expansion to 12 in the newer version). You can use one on either end, just using a TV at both locations, can have 2 way audio and video (no PTZ). For PTZ, you use one at the location, and a PC at the other, you can listen to audio and view video. Cannot remember off hand if it supports PTZ, but may. It is one of the most well known, been around for years. Another is OZline, not sure how well that one is, but here is the link:(http://www.ozvision.com/final/index_home_2003.htm .)

Video quality is something like what you would have seen TV News using during the latest Iraq war.

Video is much slower and not as good quality as over a Network, but streaming audio and video with no internet charge, its ok. I still advertise it, but try not to sell it, I push the Network DVRs over that, though some clients still want it. I have 2 clients with both, incase the internet is down, which is very common over here (i know, you wouldnt have guessed with the amount of total posts I have!! )

RSM1600:

PC Software: http://www.geindustrial.com/cwc/products/ge-interlogix?pnlid=9&famid=63&catid=1089&id=RSM-PC2&lang=en_US

RSM FAQs

http://www.geindustrial.com/ge-interlogix/support/technical/faq/rsm.html

Rory

my main request for a video server, is that it has streaming audio, as most stand alone DVRs dont have that feature.

I would sell a DVR otherwise as it will record on site, and has remote video.

For multiple building applications, i would think standard CCTV is better, You can link multiple DVRs/Muxes, with 1 cat5 cable or fiber, between them, for miles.

You can have as many of these DVRs/Muxes rackmounted, at each building.

At a central location, you have some keypads, which can bring up and control all of the cameras, in high CCTV quality, no need for a PC at all.

Traditionale CCTV systems are designed specifically for this type of thing. However, it will cost alot more than an IP system, but you will get much better quality.

You can also run cat5 to each camera from each DVR/mux, if needed, not using IP. Only the DVRs will have 1 IP each for PC access.

Hi,

 

We have a system where the customer wants the cash machine data overlayed over the video. They don't need a full POS sysyem with "search by transaction" ability. Does anyone know about a free standing "box" that would do that. The customer is on a budget so. They already have a system with a DVR so I am looking for just a "signal combiner"

 

Thanks,

Fredrik

what DVR do they have, alot of them have POS/ATM add on options.