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  1. Posted

    Large LCDs are double the price. I have client who has had her Plasmas for more than 6 years now, no problems, she has 11 in total, different brands. But they are old technology and the quality is bad with CCTV cameras.

     

    I am selling the 15" LCD monitor with 500TVL from Kalatel, but its not cheap like a CRT.

  3. Posted

    thats still not a PC (personal computer), its an electronic device, does not use typical PC parts. The same parts are used in many other electronics, the OS is a Real Time embedded OS, Nucleus, used in everything from cell phones to other micro electronics.

     

    Interesting though , I downloaded the SDK for Nucleus for PowerPC parts, now all I need are the parts. Maybe we should try to make our own )

     

    The licence for the software must not be cheap though...

     

    Ok, i will settle that it is a computerised electronic machine.

  5. Posted

    Wrong, you can have 400Fps machines (Pal) that is real time on 16 cameras.

     

    edit..

     

    Im not saying I love the Kalatel, if someone else had a better product, or the same for less, and even some less features as i dont use them all, I would use it, but there is nothing yet. Im not going to use a PC based, as that involves maintenance, and i may as well then just go into the PC business and make more money than we get per hour in the CCTV business.

     

    Using WaveReader you can view 16 DVRs, 64 cameras at once on one monitor, or even better a 40-60' Plasma Display:

     

    WaveReader 3.0, the newest version of

    our exclusive remote viewing software,

    offers more features and versatility for

    your remote surveillance monitoring.

    Now you can simultaneously connect

    to as many as 16 different recorders,

    and WaveReader can tile images from

    all those recorders to create a

    64-camera display. You can drag and

    drop images from any recorder onto

    WaveReader any spot on the display screen. What’s

    more, you can create groups of

    recorders, label them and monitor by

    group, like “Texas” or “California.”

    And you can save files larger than

    2 GB to store high-resolution or longrunning

    clips more efficiently.

     

    Also you can get good quality on Mpeg4 otherwise everyone would not be striving to develop the chips, no debate that Mpeg 2 is much nicer but WAY too big on file size unless very heavilly compressed and if it is then it becomes below par.

     

    I havent seen many other than Geo that do the Smart frame buffering.

     

     

    Kalatel's Clear Cast Product::

    ----------------------------

    ClearCast™ recording technology

    delivers what’s most important and

    what’s been missing from many digital

    recording systems: Image quality. But

    higher quality images are bigger—and

    ClearCast can deliver real-time

    video—30 frames per second for every

    camera.

     

    So ClearCast uses a new form

    of video compression: eTreppid™

    Exclusive to GE Interlogix, eTreppid compresses

    files three to five times smaller than

    MPEG-4 and up to 20 times smaller

    than Wavelet files. As a result,

    ClearCast lets you store 30 days or

    more of high-resolution images.

     

    Maximum storage for largescale

    applications

     

    ClearCast is designed for large-scale

    applications that need to store highresolution

    images from hundreds of

    cameras. Casinos, financial institutions,

    correctional facilities, airports

    and other high-security environments

    can get the clearest, most detailed

    images available with ClearCast.

    Most security applications record

    multiplexed video.

     

    That’s where

    MPEG-4 compression falls short.

    MPEG-4 only compresses the changes

    between scenes. So it performs well

    for a single camera, but chokes on

    multiplexed video. eTreppid compresses

    the entire image, not just the

    changes. This allows ClearCast to store

    30 days or more of multiplexed video

    at 30 frames per second—with

    unbeatable image quality.

     

     

    Simple, scalable system

    architecture

     

    Large-scale applications may use

    hundreds of cameras, so ClearCast

    features a simple modular architecture.

    The ClearCast capture station

    incorporates an encoder, PC and

    storage device. Each capture station

    records video and audio from up to

    eight cameras to onboard RAID

    storage. And the drives are hot

    swappable.

     

    So if one fails, you can

    simply just replace it with a fresh

    drive. You won’t lose any video.

    Another benefit of ClearCast’s

    architecture is expandability. You can

    start with only the number of capture

    stations you need. As you needs grow,

    you can easily add capture stations to

    accommodate more cameras.

    -----------------------------------

  6. Posted

    no, non pc and no linux, and its a proprietry embedded os, i visited the os site before, just cant remember where it is right now.

     

    30pps is standard on DVRs (name brand high quality embedded DVRs at least), such as Ultrack, Dedicated, etc.

     

    Their higher end unit, the DVMRe has 60pps which is more than other brands. Or you can use a 60pps single channel DSR-2000e, for each camera

     

    Kalatel actually has a PC product, aimed at casinos, airports, etc, but it costs a fortune, can handle thousands of cameras, rack mounted stuff, Its in a PDF i downloaded of some of their new stuff.

     

    but yes, it would be nice if they got it faster. The embedded software must have its limitations as others are using the same OS with same speeds. For 16 cameras you can go with the DVMRe, with 60pps, which is great, but then the StoreSafe is nicer as it has a CDRW, and is small enough for standard sized lock boxes (i know most people who use PCs dont care about this, but in the high security world, it must be locked up)

     

    Also, it is cheaper than any other brand of embedded OS, and Im talking about the good brand names, not the cheapos.

  7. Posted

    i stick to kalatel, makes it all simple and works well.

     

    one thing too, with the Kalatel DVRs, you can always add more storage if you want longer recordings, by adding a device called a DVSe, which is digital storage devices. If you only buy a DVSe with a 40GB, then want more, you can add more hard drives, up to 8 total, then you can rack mount as many more of them as you want, each can total 2000GB of storage.

     

    Also, the DVMRe (not EZ version) is their top of the line model, and doesnt cost too much more than the EZ, so read up on the specs of both at their web site to make sure which one has the features you will want.

     

    The storesafe is just like a mixture of both, in a compact unit, with a built in CD-RW, designed for businesses without computers or networks. But it only has 1 multiple view monitor out, whereas the DVMRe's have 2, and the DVMRe goes up to 1000GB.

     

    Check these facts also for more info:

     

    http://www.geindustrial.com/ge-interlogix/support/technical/faq/digital_rec.html

  8. Posted

    Is there no way to record ONLY motion using a time-lapse vcr based system? I have investigated the option of running seperate motion detectors to the vcr, but the problem with this solution is that if one of the motion alarms is tripped, all of the cameras will be recorded. I have also seen other devices that can do this, but NOT in a cost effective manner (when combined with the cost of the vcr anyway). While I would like to keep costs at a minimum, image quality is my top priority (and that is why I am trying to find a vcr based solution).

     

    #1 - if you are looking for image quality, a DVR is the way to go, VCRs do not compare.

     

    Ill give you an example:

     

    Kalatel Video Digital Recorder - same price as a Time Lapse VCR:

    http://www.geindustrial.com/cwc/products/ge-interlogix?pnlid=9&famid=63&catid=1088&id=VDR&lang=en_US

     

    You can still record out to a standard VCR tape if you want, or use Compaq Flash to transfer video to a PC. It has a superb 720x484 Resolution.

     

    #2 - Motion Detection without a mux?

     

    Pelco has a single channel Motion detector, still not that cheap:

    http://www.pelco.com/products/controlsite/miscellaneous/motiondetectors.aspx

     

    Or you could buy a 4 channel multiplxer with motion built in.

     

    Also, I have read somewhere of a modulator that can split the signal into 2 different viewing locations, can anybody shed some light on this product?

    ICU

     

    #3 - do you mean a split 2 way screen? or out to different TVs, aux channel? or using cable TV channel with a RF modulator lie to view on channel 3/4 or other?

     

    Rory[/url]

  9. Posted

    I'd like to have at least 9 camera capability, (there will actually be 8 cameras) color, remote monitoring but not via PC. Be able to record and playback at the same time, be able to record on movement (but not with a global setting) to cut down on the record time. System will be watching warehouse activity, 5/6 days a week aprox 9 hours a day. Looking to have about 3 to 4 weeks of storage. If it varies, that's ok. Remote viewing software included with the ability to change paramiters remotely.

     

    I'm getting prices of over $3K which seems to me, to be overly inflated. Anyone got any suggestions for product and sources?

     

    Thank you

    Jay Jay

     

    Are you buying from a distributor as a CCTV business, or retail?

     

    As far as the Kalatel all in ones,

    at 5pps, 8 cameras, 160GB DVR, High Res, you can get approx 14 days, this is based on a 24/7 gas station. You can drop it to 2.5pps and still get a good video, not much different, and still plenty, then you will get 28 days, give or take. Less motion, more time. There is no exact time put on DVRs with motion detection recording.

     

    Check with your distributor/dealer for:

    DVMRe-10eZT-160 (60pps)

    SDVR-10-160 (30pps, built in CD-RW)

     

    If you are buying direct then it is under $3000, and non PC/non Linux based.

     

    Rory

  10. Posted

    Thanks for the lead. I should have mentioned that I've looked at the Dedicated Micr and the Kalatel Triplex devices. Both will certainly do the job, but I see that the price of both units exceeds $3,000.00. I posted my question to see if someone knew of a 9 camera, color, Triplex, with imbeded internet capability for less than $3K.

     

    Just as a point of interest, when I called Kalatel for information, the only response I could get, was to leave a message on voice mail. I couldn't believe that they didn't have a telephone system that would allow them to put me on hold, in a cue, so I could wait and talk to someone. By the time they get around to calling me back, I'm usually back on the road again. With Dedicated Micro, I was on hold for about 5 minutes and spoke to someone and got what I needed in 5 minutes.

     

    I think someone over at GE ought to put a halogen light bulb under whoever was in charge of purchasing their in-house telephone system. I had to call the Rep in Oregon, who fortunately has some technical experience. That's not an impressive way to entice a potential customer, That's fer sure.

     

    they normally answer email very quick, so then they will set up an appointment via telephone. They actually have the best suport I have seen yet. You can also contact tech support direct from their web site. Normally they will point end users in the direction of a sales rep in their area for sales questions.

     

    Any questions let me know.

     

     

    Rory

  11. Posted

    yes, you can loop the video out to other muxes, switchers, quads, monitors, etc.

     

    just better than using bulky T-connectors, most muxes now come this way.

    its unprocessed video.

     

    however, i havent had a need for a switcher yet. The muxes have switching built in, and id buy a quad / mux before a switcher. I dont like switching, dont see all the cameras at once.

  15. Posted

    does any one know what the quality is on todays Plasmas using RCA in?

    I have tried it on a 5 year old Fujitsu Plasma and quality was like it is on a LCD monitor, very bad, compared to a CCTV monitor. Has the technology gotten better in this respect, and are there particular types of plasmas to use to get the best quality? Im talking CCTV not PC monitor.

     

    Thanks

     

    Rory

  17. Posted

    Dont know about the questions regarding the PC cards, but:

     

    "Do you forsee a time when GeoVision, for example, will stop making DVR cards for PCs? If we put together a PC-based system now, will it be obsolete in two years? Will the manufacturers still offer support"

     

    More than likely alot of todays DVRs, stand alone or PC will ne next to obselete in 2 years, or if they are not, will require some kind of software update, be it a bin file for Eprom on a stand alone, or a windows software update on the PC. Hardware will also be different as it has changed already considerably over the past couple years. Technology changes, thats just how it is. Your windows computer and its software will be 'old' in 2 years, in fact I replace mine every 6 months-1 year max. Same can be said with alot of electronics today, they will more than likely still work fine, and if its a big name brand, still carry support, so updating it will be up to you.

     

    "I would prefer the stability of a standalone system, but the fps rates seem woefully inadequate compared to the rates available with the DVR cards, especially considering how much more the standalone systems cost. When are the fps recording rates of standalone systems going to catch up with that of the PC DVR cards? "

     

    I have no problem with the pps on the stand alones i use, 30pps being the norm, it is the standard in most stand alones today, and works well for me, high quality playback. But yes, I would like to have faster recording, of course ) Hopefully the embedded software will catch up in that area, no doubt it eventually will. It is definately not inadequate, it is still what is being used in most high end installations world wide, banks, retail, etc, even casinos use time lapse on most fixed cameras, and still use tape!...

     

    But its up to you, if you want the ease and stability and low/no maintenance of a stand alone (rememeber stand alones come in windows, linux and embedded OS, embedded being the best for stability, but cost more, and a few less features), its up to you how much work you want to do over the next 2 years, and if they can afford it and the stand alone has all the features they need, then go for it. If their budget doesnt call for it, or its just like a home system, then PC card all the way.

     

    Ive had 2 Kalatel embedded systems going almost 2 years now, with only 1 EPROM update, and no maintenance, and they are still going strong. 3 others going a year with no return to service them. The only issues I have had is with my local Cable ISP's bandwidth/uptime and thats not DVR related (we are in the 3rd world here!)

     

    DVR australia has tried the ones I have and plus alot of PC cards, so he may be able to help some more on this. And AVCONSULTING has had years and years in the industry, plus has used all of them also, so these guys would be better at answering most of your questions.

     

    Just my 2cents from a stand alone point:-))

     

    Rory

  21. Posted

    I have 2 places online using a seperate mux and DVR, and they work great. But make sure the DVR supports the brand of mux that you have, Kalatel's DVR only supports the big name brands.

     

    Actually the Kalatel single channel is 60pps recording, while the all in one is 30pps. But then I have noticed that 2.5pps on the all in one looks equivalent to 5pps on the singel channel DVR.

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