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Okay I think I found a camera that will do what I need it to. It fills out all of the requirements, except for the resolution. It has 480 lines of day/night resolution instead of 480 day/570 night (which costs about 2.5x the cost for each camera).Here's the one I found:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/easysecuritydepot/toik1ccdhida.html
plus one of the various auto iris varifocal lenses.
Is this a peicer or is it going to do the trick? After i tackle this, I gotta figure out how to do the video transmission (yikes).
I'm landing on the SDVR-4-40 unless there is an equally functional system for SIGNIFICANTLY less.
dont know how well the toshiba is, but its a brand name, so should be good (ask AVCONSULTING, hes maybe tried them before), ive used the sanyo before in the day night area and is good. 480TVl is fine.
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I never use the built in CDRW or printer option myself. But it is great for remote video, and the software is great. Its the only one i sell for remote video live and playback.
$1495 is wholesale price, like everything on the internet, wholesale pricing is available to end users nowadays, same can be said about japanse import cars. SDVR 40Gb 4 channel standard is Retail $2990. I sell it for that cost, here in the Bahamas, then I have to pay 27% import taxes, so they can sell it for less in the US.
The difference of a seperate DVR and Mux, if it is wholesale pricing, your better off with the StoreSafe, or similar, with full features.
55 foot night vision, hard to say depending on light you have installed. IR light wont be any better, just cost more. 55 feet is pretty far, you wont catch their face, no matter what resolution you get. Though for outside I would definately get a high res camera, 480TVl if using color, 570 min if using BW or day night with color/BW. Get day night, so you can always add IR lighting if later you need it. Varifocal lens zoomed in at the exact area, will be better than a wide angle lens. Just look at what you need to see, unless you want to add mroe cameras which can then use wide angle. Id concentrate on using the cameras to actaully get the best picture on the areas you need to watch. Buy a viewfinder, not expensive, it can give you an idea of what lens you will ultimately need, though it is only used as a general idea (in other words, if you need a 2.7-13mm lens, or a 5-50 mm lens).
I would do what I can to stay away from wireless though, as it not only costs more, but is not 100% stable. Try to put the cameras where you can wire them if possible. Cat5 / twisted pair, will get a better image at longer runs, but not needed if only short distances, plus it costs more. If using Caox and image is not great, same as direct at the camera, then you can always add a video amplifier which is cheap. Use a varifocal lens and just manually zoom it tothe area you want to watch.
Im installing a 16 channel StoreSafe, 160Gb with 14 Extreme CCTV EX82 day night cameras Infrared to 100+ feet, and 2 kalatel Mini Rugged Domes with Wall Mounts, keyboard, 19" 850TVL Color Monitor, and views on RF moulator to multiple Plasma and Rear Projection Tvs throught the house. Waiting deposit now. I wouldnt sell it if it wasnt worth it. I coulfd have quoted a DVMRe instead, but this is a home, so the storesafe will suffice. I have some storefaes in for example, a local bank here, which is the Bahamas head quarters for a worldwide canadian bank.
Anyway, its worth the extra couple hundred dollars, but its totally up to you. I dont make anything out of the deal either way. I even rather let my clients pay wholesale for better products, then me make the money on the parts, and sell themsomething cheaper because they couldnt afford the better product. But thats just me )
Vitek has a 4 channel DVR also, with Mux, AVConsulting can give you more info on that, less remote video options such as playback, but lower cost. I just love the simplicity and compact size of the storesafe, and all its features.
Rory
PS. some great info can be found here: Plus they have a book or video you can buy, I have their book, tons of info in it for CCTV tech support & installation:
http://www.ltctrainingcntr.com
Well if you noticed, I am favoring the Kalatel line. For purposes of comparison, I did my homework on the SDVR-4-40 in order to be able to articulate what it is that I may want.The SDVR-4-40 is between $1495 and $1526 at over 5 different online retailers. This is the "high end of acceptable" range. There are features that I simply do not need. The embedded CD-R and printer output are not completely essential. Any SINGLE method of retrieving images and/or video by any means is enough for me. The frame rate that is required is PURELY speculative, because I'm not a surveilance expert- this would obviously a place where I could use your help....
It seems that every day someone steals laundry, someone breaks the coke machine, and (just got off the phone about this) the company truck gets vandalized. The purpose of this system is not to store a month of data. In all reality, there is not much action here- but every single day people manage to cause some sort of hell for us (it only takes one person, in reality- and it's amazing how hard it is to get rid of someone in california). The purpose of this system is to protect our invetsments and to (2) prosecute offenders or (3) evict offenders.
We also have a very good property manager who is ready to quit because of all of this stuff. We want to have surveilence which is able to be viewed remotely-- from his on-site home, and from work, and from the owners' work and home. We should be able to leave the park and still prevent civil unrest.
There is also this issue of people driving their cars and ATV's onto our property and thrashing up our riverbed area. It pisses off the tenants because it's annoying, and it's a legal liability. We're not sure what we're going to do about that- but camera 2 will record who comes in and out of the park. A 4th camera will likely be able to detect if there is activity in the river bed (wide angle, not for positive ID).
Another thing i could use help on is the overal dogma of this security system. I don't know if it will function as what I might imagine. Am I wasting my time and energy? Is getting a pit bull going to be a better idea? Real time surveilance won't detect and eliminate threats- it would possibly deter the bad guys, add a sense of security for (the good) tenants, and record invaluable information about activities. That is what I am conjuring up in my mind, anyway.
So, I wouldn't mind stripping some features for a few hundred bucks, but if it's the difference between 1200 and 1500, and the loss of features is non-trivial, i'll go ahead and pay the 1500. If it's the difference of 800 and the difference in features, build quality, reliability, etc ARE trivial, than sure i'll take my 800 bucks and use it on something more useful.
Any and all reccomendations are greatly appreciated (which i hope you know by now!). I'm doing some reading up on the cameras.... still....
So to cut my searching in half--- is there a reaosn i should be looking into B/W cameras? What resolution do i really need? I need a couple of parameters to bank my search around- so far i know i need varifocal auto iris lenses, but can i get good night performance at 55+ feet? I'll add more night lighting if necessary.
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i dont do anything these days, unless its done the best it can be, thats why I called my company X-treme CCTV. Like i said though, for a home user, basic is fine.
Its not overkill, from what I can tell, he wants to pay for the best, at least the best that is at a cosumers average budget.
A quad is 'almost' useless for playback, though it can work, but if he wants great quality, he needs a DVR with a built in mux. Its over $2000 retail, but its worth it. If he can get it at wholesale, then even better for him. It seems he is getting more involved in it than a regular consumer would so hands up if he wants to buy at wholesale price, he is learning the industry right now anyway.
Overkill would be a 1000GB DVMRe, with PTZs, with Dual Extreme CCTV UF500 Infrared LEDs on each camera But heck the image would be very impressive!
If he doesnt need Remote Video Access, then
1 Kalatel VDR 40Gb (retail $860)
1 4 channel ATVColor Mux (retail $890)
then add cameras and wireless txs & rxs.
RoryYou have to keep in mind that what you are telling him to get is way overkill to what he wants, plus the cost on the devices are extremelly expensive, and even the least costly ones are around $2000.00
Let's try and get him another alternatives.
stabmaster,
do us a favor, so that we can help you out better
What exactly do you want to do with the digital unit?, do you want something simple, or something with a lot of bells and wisels?
let us know, so that we can tell you what exactly what you need.
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Oh god... i'm schoolin' myself right now and as a consumer I refuse to be confused as to who I'm buying a product from. For instance, take a look at this product:good reading up though, Im impressed!
Product: GE Industrial Systems GE Interlogix Kalatel Calibur StoreSafe DVMRe Triplex Multiplexer-Recorder SDVR-4-40
they also come in sizes from 40, 80, 160, 250Gb for Storesafe, 40, 80, 160, 320, 500, 640, 1000GB in the DVMRe, and 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1280, 2000Gb in the DVSe, and 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, and 1000GB in the DSR-2000, and 40, 80, 160 in the DSR-1000 & VDR.
All come in 4, 10 or 16 channels, except the DSR and VDR.
They have a 16x5 Matrix DVMRe also. 640 or 1000GB.
they have a Bus DVR system called Bus Secure that comes in 80, 160 & 250Gb.
They also now have a system called Video IQ, a PC based 4 channel Human Object Detector.
Rack Mount kits are available for all DVRs.
Kalatel: Kalatel is a GE Interlogix BRAND NAME. It is also a company (NASDAQ: ILXI) founded in 1979, today with 170 employees and headquarters in Corvallis, OR. The Kaltel brand name carries the following product lines: CyberDome, Calibur, DSR-2000e, MobileView II, Paragon, and some others. On a side note, the COMPANY Netergy Networks sold it's BRAND NAME '8x8' to Interlogix Inc. in May of 2000 for 5.5 million. The 8x8 line is associated with video transmission technology, which has since been integrated into the Kalatel CCTV product line by Interlogix Inc., and subsequently bought by GE Industrial (following all of this?).
ok, i dont have stock yet, so not sure I nedd to know all of this! ))
if 8x8 is the streaming video server 8 channel, they are discontinuing development on it.
Calibur- A PRODUCT LINE. The Calibur DVMR (Digital Video Multiplex Recorder) includes all the functions of a digital video multiplexer and digital video recorder in one unit. Among the calibur line models are Simplex, Duplex, and Triplex. The DVMR gives you better playback image quality than a VCR, and it eliminates the high failure rates associated with analog VCRs. And because it's digital, there are no tapes, and no tape heads to clean or replace. The DVMR displays live video from as many as 16 cameras in multiscreen, full-screen or sequencing full-screen modes. And at the same time you're viewing video, it's recording high-resolution pictures from all cameras to its built-in 30, 80 or 160 GB hard drive. Best of all, the Calibur DVMR is easy to use. If you can use a standard VCR and multiplexer, you can use the Calibur DVMR.
DMVRe- A Product VERSION. Also an abbreviated product description. Digital Multiplexer-Video Recorder, ethernet.
also have 320, 500, 640, 1000GB versions. Aswell as the Ez version whith less features, auto install, but lower price, lower drive size also, 500Gb being the largest.
Multiplexers- GE Interlogix offers the following product line of multiplexers: Lite 'q' series, simplex, eZ series, duplex, and triplex. The Calibur line of multiplexers offers simplex, duplex and Triplex™ models—more than 20 in all. Features include parallel video processing (PVP™), automatic record-speed synchronization (VEXT) and the ability to play back tapes from many other manufacturers' multiplexers.
they do have one of the largest lines of muxes I have seen yet.
Triplex™: A Calibur product line MODEL. Triplex multiplexers let you watch live and recorded images on one monitor simultaneously, eliminating the need for a separate playback station. Choose from 10-camera color or 16-camera color or monochrome models, all with PVP to the main display and recorder, plus macros, video motion detection, alarm handling, and Quick-set on-screen menu prompts. Side Note: The SDVR-4-40 model is a 4-camera Triplex, which is not mentioned on the GE Interlogix description right on their website (oversight?).
Triplex Multiplexers (information): Triplex multiplexers offer the best combination of playback and live display, system automation and alarm management. You can continue to record video on one VCR or digital recorder while playing back video from another in several different multiscreen formats. And Triplex performance lets you display both live and playback images simultaneously on one monitor, eliminating the need for and cost of a separate playback station. Easy to use, intelligent and watchful, our Triplex multiplexers use QuickInstall on-screen setup menus that make them easy to install and integrate. With these models, you can even control connected recorders directly from the multiplexer.
other brands also now use Triplex, not sure if this is trademarked by Kalatel or not.
StoreSafe: This appears to be a technology associated with the product software. I would also classify it as a SERIES? My hunch is that this small company is outsourced to write the user interface which includes the exclusive AutoInstall feature and WaveReader, a graphical user interface which allows the user to view and review video from a remote location. As far as I can tell, the same software, v4.11, is written for DVMRe-CT, DVMRe-eZT, DVMRE Matrix, StoreSafe NTSC and StoreSafe PAL series units. (For the record DVMRe-CT is DVMRe-"Color Triplex")
yes, StoreSafe is a series of a DVR/Mux. Its embedded software is somewhat different from other Kalatel DVRs, such as the edges of the multi view video is grey, and some other differences, though it has all the features of the DVMRe, and some more even.
By now you all think I'm insane, huh? I have also collected notes and descriptions of abbreviations (CAT5, CDD, TX, UTP, etc). It's just a method I use for learning (learn by teaching). Hope someone else will find it useful someday
absolutely not, its good to read up on products before you buy them.
Rory
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oh and the wireless transmission devices are around 350mA.....still learning. I will not be stopping any time soon, either
some good info, I didnt even know 'all' those details.
Kalatel was just purchased last year Spring by GE, before that they were on their own, making cctv products, for years, and one of the leaders in sales of DVRs. Since GE bought them, they have pumped a ton of money into new design & technology. The storesafe for instance had a different design and less features, until GE bought them.
I orignally found them when lookng for remote video products, and found their RSM-1600 product, which is great by the way, but like everything it has its limitations. ..anyway..
The embedded OS of all DVMRes, Storesafes, etc, are written by another company, and its not cheap, and not a part of GE or Kalatel (as far as I know). Its used in alot of different machines or devices that use embedded OS's not just video surveillance. I located the companies web site once, cant remember it right now.
Wavereader is the same software used for all of the DVRs. Originally written by a secondary company also, and was also used in Phillips DVRs.
Kalatel's DVRs have lasted for me, 2 of them in some very harsh enviroments, for almost 2 years, and still going. Others I have installed since then have also lasted well. None have required ANY maintenance. One I did upgrade the EPPROM when they came out with 16 live users, instead of 1 live user, by logging on through a web browser and updating it with a new BIN file. They are simple to use, and even easier to install, and tech support is supperior to other security manufacturers I have dealt with (including Ademco whose alarms I have installed for approx 6 years).
If you want something that is low in maintanance, simple to install (plug & play), then this is what you want. Ofcourse there are other brands just as good, such as Dedicated Micros (software is not as good, only provides quad views), and after little more time on their own, maybe Phillips (they havent been in the DVR business as long as the other 2 mentioned, but have some good products by specs on their site). There are a ton of PC card brands out there, Geovision being the most widely used or advertised one Ive seen, even before joing up here. Though I like to stay as far away from PC based for my cleints, for now anyway.
Thats just some general history from what I have encountered over the last couple years.
Oh yes, and StoreSafe is a series, now owned entierly by GE (if it was outsourced for development in the past).
Another thing, I found a company in the UK that have the same products, except for the StoreSAfe, with their name on it, diffeent colored push buttons, etc., like they are leasing it from Kalatel. Could get no reply when I emailed them though.
after a half a year, I was able to get hold of the control from Kalatel to make my own custom software, take a look at my web site for more info:
Still need some more deveopment time on it and some others in the planing stages now, including a multi site version, and a Kiosk type touch screen.
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No the unit is not a kalatel, the company's name is kaltel, and they have been around since the 70's, so they are very less likely to try and copy kalatel's units.The software on them are great, and they have a feature that kalatel does not have, dynamic ip hosting, and it supports 3 phone lines coming into them for remote viewing.
now with the wireless cameras, the cameras themselves require anywhere from 100-500 mA. But the wireless transmision devices, I really don't know.
Kalatel Triplex StoreSafe and DVMRe units have dynamic IP hosting, as of last year spring, and have capability for a USB Robotics External Telco Modem.
Also, looking at the specs, it appears to be a quad recorder, not a multiplexer? correct me if im wrong, thanks, Still an interesting product, never heard of the company though until now.
Rory
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Kalatel 4 channel will cost more than $1110, but its far superior, simple to install, maintenance free, and full of features. It would be your best choice, over a DVR PC card.
Personally, Id cut the road, and run cat5, with NVT 4 port Active hub on the receiveing end, and, use Kalatel Cam Plus Day Night cameras, with the Plus Packs which provide UTP transmission for the cat 5. If the disctances are not that far, then even coax RG59 would be ok in siamese cable for power run also.
Either way, if you go wireless, you will need a seperate TX from the camera, like Alan said, and as far as inteference goes, you wont know until you install it. You could buy everything else, and then just 1 wireless transmitter, and see if it works, testing it from one location to the next, then if it does, buy the rest. They sell larger antennas for the receiver also, and for the TXs incase you dont get a good signal. The wireless Id recommend is www.videotransmitters.com (Video Com), and they have alot of installation support on their for you to look at.
Also, just buy Varifocal Auto Iris lenses, from 2.7-13mm for the ones you need in that area, or from 5-50mm if you need 16mm or above. When you install it you can manually adjust it. I have a viewfinder, for quoting jobs, its like a varifocal lens, but still I normally sell them varifocal lenses anyway as they arent much more than a fixed lens.
Rory
herminshs- Is the link to that 80G DVR on your site a "Kaltel" or is that a typo (supposed to be Kalatel")?I've spoken with my family (family business) and we've decided to go with the stand alone. We've also decided to pay what it takes and moved the price bracket to 2500-3000. Lastly, we've decided to get the 4th camera after all. On a side note, there were more thieves at work last night! If our on site manager wasn't an insomniac, we would already be in the red with this business!
There are a few things we're toiling with right now. To install the wired cameras, I will have to dig 12" deep and drop some conduit down and run it over 90 feet. The odds of running into problems are great. There is possibly a way around this: my dad owns a business which sells solar panels and he could supply some 12v solar panels that could supply the current necessary. I haven't found any informatoin on energy requirements of the wireless units, but I'm trying to figure out the feasability of a solar setup. So in the scheme of things, the solar panels are a freebie- and if i can circumvent the hassle and cost (and labor) of running conduit all over town, i would certainly favor that route.
Ok so now that I'm looking into wireless units exclusively (thinking out loud here), I am back to square 1 as far as spec's go. The vitek cameras had auto-iris and specified focal lengths, whereas these wireless units don't seem to advertise much of anything. There are no adjustable/replacable lenses or even an advertised focal length on the MLV-10 unit (one that had been suggested prevoiusly). I am at a complete loss for choosing 4 wireless cameas (3 of which i know the specs of. the 4th one is to come- i will have to do some surveying, and research- i still don't know much about the focus/iris/etc, day/night, etc.)
I assume that i will go with at least an extra rx for the transmission. The wireless cameras (1, and 2, 6' above ground) will definitely be a direct shot to the reciever only 70' away or less. The other 1 or 2 will be closer to 100-150' away and there will certainly be plenty of trees in the way; the cameras/transmitters will be mounted 20-25' in the air, but there's no way to get them above the trees! I assume that the transmission will be fair- there is very little interference here as we can't even get cell phone signal in the area. Unfortunately, there's an x-factor! We have a wireless 2.4Ghz 802.11b network AND a 2.4ghz wireless telephone. Forget about the phone- I'm going to get a 900Mhz replacement because i don't even want to think about the conflictions here. On the other hand, the 802.11b would be hard to give up, because we are firing it via yagi antenna to the office, manager's office, and also some residents. If there are conflictions, i think that hard wiring the network would come first. The router is a 10 channel which have the following center frequencies that can be selected: 2412, 2417, 2422, 2427, 2432, 2437, 2442, 2447, 2452, 2462, 2467, 2472.... and the spread is 25Mhz (channel 1, being 2412, has a range of 2399.5-2424.5).
I know it's not rocket surgery, and i'll try not to overcomplicate things, but I need to get this kind of thing straight so as to avoid major disappointment.
As for the DVR unit- the two i'm looking at right now are the Vitek VT-DVR04 (60gb) and the Kalatel (80gb). From the limited spec's given, the best I can figure is that the extra $450 cost of the vitek is that it is capable of 120 fps operation whereas the Kalatel is more like 30 fps (in quad mode, apparently). 30 fps, if i'm not mistaken, is lightyears faster than i even need for my purposes; therefore, if I'm not leavinig out anything important, the Kaltel unit posted by hermanshs is on the top of my list.
If it seems like it takes a whole team of experts to design a 4 camera system for an RV park, then you're right! I'm so greatful for all of your help and I don't know what kind of mess i'd be in if i bought a surveilence system on ebay. Right now i think I'm going to go down and survey the land for camera 4, and hopefully do some more learn'in on the wireless camera spec's.
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Need an idea on the following example
-16/32 camera system
-Standalone non PC DVRs
-Non PC Multiplexer
-1 channel dvrs, real time, 1 for each camera, 60pps
-remote access in 1 screen for all cameras
-1 IP address can view all cameras live or playback on LAN
-removable HDs in each DVR, to change every so many hours for storage
-back up raid storage
-PTZ control
-50" Monitors for operators, High Resolution, Ultrasharp Plasma, or RearProjector
-optional matrix output to multiple operators, each individually display and control video live and playback
-Fiber / UTP transmission
-Cameras are non IP cameras, but have UTP/Fiber options
-computer software for operator workstations, for layout design of each camera, and more options such as auto tracking in each video image, video editing, etc.
any ideas, design examples, etc. Got to get thinking deep for this one.
Thanks
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I am sorry for bad english.1. It's enough to have 1-4 fps in normal processing and 10fps on alarm with 720x576 or 720x288 resolution for recording.
2.This high resolution declared by the manufacturer in pixels not guarantees real high resolution.
3. With small resolutions (such as 320x200) you cant see details at all.
4. Recording of each channel in realtime - 25 (PAL), 30 (NTSC) demands a huge amount of hard disk space. One day record of 16 channels in high resolution with 25 fps per channel - it is more than 1000 Gb for most devices. One month - more than 30000Gb.
5. Recording with motion detection saves not in all cases.
6. You can't get a good quality with MPEG4, so you must use at least MPEG2.
7. Most of video capture boards works without hardware compression.
The compression is carried out by a computer. If you record a lot of video channels in real time, you need a smart computer and there is a problem with PCI bus throughput. So some hardware works fine while recording a lot of channels with small fps and there are a lot of problems in real time.
good answer.
Also, if they really wanted real time, like a casino, they would need single channel DVRs for each channel, so if they had 10 cameras, thats 10 single channels DVRs:
If you dont need audio recording, you could do this:
10 Camera Triplex Multiplexer
10 Kalatel DSR-2000 1 channel 60pps DVRs 40GB
Then to access the video, though, you would need 1 IP address for each DSR2000, and you can use a custom multi site software to view on a PC, all in one screen, live, playback, etc. I guess you could split the video signal, from the 10 DSRs, to go into the 1 VCR input on the mux, then just hit play on the one you want to play from.
There is probably another way to do this, with another device suchas PS based to play back or view the video stream from all DSRs live. You could use a DVMRe DVR multiplexer, but then you wouldnt be able to access the recorded video from the DSRs, but you would be able to view all live with 1 IP address...
Any ideas?? They also have a 1 channel Video Digital Recorder, that has removeable hard drives, but no LAN, but they cost same as a regular time lapse VCR.
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It's about 23 feetyes, 23 feet is a short enough distance. Get a varifocal lens like a fujinon Day/Night Lens, 2.7-13.5mm, f:1.4
for IR , you would need 840nm (some led glow) probably, as some BWcameras dont respond well to 950nm (fully invisible). It gives BW at night. Check out this link for some good infrared LEDs:
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Well, honestly, there is a few things that they get you on1. CMOS cameras, not CCD, means BAD QUALITY PICTURE
2. AMD Cpu is not recommended for dvr, the dvr chipset (hint chip) only works goood with intel chipsets, issues with all others.
3. for that price I coild get you something better (ok so I'm hitting below the belt:-) )
send me a pm if you wish to discuss further, if not, I at least recommend you to look for something else, or at least tell them to change the specs on the machine and swap the cameras for CCD.
also,they are calling a mini dome camera, an undercover camera! Shows their vast cctv knowledge!
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I have a cyberdome that is coming and going, a few times a day, 24VAC, cat5 cable, any ideas on what to check, in line of importance. Its not new, and been doing this for a year now, I just was asked to look at it, they had someone else maintaining the system before, sho never fixed it.
Thanks
Rory
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Varifocal lens, then you adjust it when you install it.
$1600 for a 4 channel DVR, embedded OS, standalone. - we charge $2990 for a 4 channel DVR here. I wouldnt touch the PC cards myself, even though I service and build computers for a living, too much maintenance, a embedded DVR, you never have to go back! Then again, on the swing side, if it was just for me, i could use a cheap PC card, but definately use a seperate computer otherwise welcome to frequent OS freezing.
Also, beware with Wireless Video, you can end up with frequent loss of video, or depending if not installed right, will not give you a good image at all. You need to mount it over 15 feet, or at least above any kind of objects, keeping a direct point to point, from tx to rx. Id get an additional antenna for the RX to be safe. I have several TX and RX's sitting around here, that we could never get a good image from, or would occassionally loose video from cell phone interference, etc.
Definately get a day night, or just BW camera, as from those images, you dont have enough lighting for color. Kalatel has an inexpensive exview Low light bullet camera, with built in IR light good to 20-30 feet. Unlike most bullets, its high quality.
One thing, if you have any twisted pair (telephone or cat 5 etc) already run where you want to put the wireless, instead use that for transmission, with some UTP TXs and Receivers ($30 each approx). Kalatel has a day night camera, with a plug in transmission pack, that you can use to connect the twisted pair to, and wont need a UTP tx
For a good 4 channel DVR, not cheap, but one of the best ive seen around, Kalatel StoreSafe:
Good luck
Rory
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Any comments on VDI cameras? Most of my work is such that I cannot use box style cameras being in barns and such and the cost of enclosures are too high. I have experimented with junk and others and I like this line though, any comments?If I understand auto iris is to be used when light conditions change dramatically and you wnat to use the cam outside correct? I have had no use yet for them as my work is confined to dim light, night viewing etc.
Even at night had no use yet for I/R cameras as I usulllay have some light in a barn. My understanding is that decent I/R illuminators will fail 6000 hours or so, any comments?
Hard to justify in a barn sorry sir need to spend some more money to replace your I/R when a light bulb is cheap.
Great forum
Larry
Whats VDI cameras?
There are alot of cameras that you can use other than traditional cameras (box style?).
If it is pitch dark, then they need Infrared, and the only one i use now for IR is Extreme CCTV, but they are not cheap. Light bulbs are cheaper. Yes, eventually you will need to replace the IR. Some of their IRs last 5 years.
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Yes, Linudix makes a 2-channel box with a PCMCIA slot. I'm checking with them now...I have seen some cameras with PCMCIA slots. Talked with IQeye, they have a camera with PCMCIA slot, but they only have drivers for 802.11. No GPRS.
Any other thoughts welcome.
memocam also has them, but i though you might be talking about CCTV cameras?
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I'm working on a traffic monitoring system in Latin America. We need to get video feed from the cameras via GPRS, as there is no LAN infrastructure to work with. But there is a good Cell infrastructure.Do any nework cameras support PCMCIA, so I could use a GPRS PCMCIA modem? Or is there another way to get the video feed onto GPRS?
havent seen an actual camera that does this, as it would need a form of digital modem.
You just want to trasmit the video via cell phone is that right?
If so there are a couple manufacturers that make 1 channel - 16 channel boxes, such as OZ Line, and some others.
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Does anybody have any experience of this cam and would they recommend it for day/night surveillance covering approximately a 7 meter length of driveway ? Also, is it likely to be IR sensitive ?http://www.prosecuritywarehouse.com/fixedhighrescolor.html
thanks
Its Panasonic so it should be good, thats a good name brand.
Ive used sanyo's Day night in the pass and they work great.
Also, used ExtremeCCTV, but thats real costly, BUT works great also.
Im now selling Kalatel's Cam Plus, with UTP/Fiber optional transmission, great product.
Either way, should be good,
By the way, whats 7 meters in feet please??
thanks
Rory
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For interesting toys, check out this. It is a remote voice annunciator and it is really inexpensive. About $149 U.S. for the whole system.thanks, il take a look. something i can sell here maybe.
Rory
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WHO??Come on, share the wealth
he he he! )))
noone famous
there are alot of people with their type of money, in this community (lyford cay) on the west side of New Providence; thats why i need this, for a foot in the door, and then a walk in through the house of the rich and famouse!!! then I can afford to spread the wealth! heck then I can afford to pay rent!!!! :-0
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Basically a half leght card, used mostly in the mini-PC's that use the ITX motheboardswould be nice to get one that works in one of these )
Oh ****, those are cool.
yep, i have a client who bought the expresso pc, nice little unit, never got a chance to tes t it though, as it was shippedright bck to the US to her son!
I actually wanted to sell them here, as I have a large client base that have ALOT of money for toys like this, but i didnt have the money to keep any in stock, yet... may still go ahead with it, at a later date, was going to call it Advanced Toyz, and also sell tech watches (like the casio line of camera watches, and PDA type watches), and some other gedgets. hard to do here though without others in stock in case they go bad. When I get money I will definately do it though, and just cater to the rich!
By the way, im doing a quote for someone tomorrow, for CCTV (and updating thier alarm system), who is the 9th richest person in Europe and 1 of the richest in residence in the carribean. I was on their 150+ yaught today doing some computer work, sweet!!! I cant wait to see their home (or its just one of their homes!)
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Send me an e-mail, hermin@shscomputers.com I'll try and help you outThose people who you bught the DVR from sell cheap Chinesse and Taiwanesse Items, I mean cheap stuff that people put together on garages and huts
Trust me, I know
yep, one of my so called competitions down here is selling them for $400 installed, like a 4 channel DVR (or 16 channel, not sure) from taiwan.
I get request via email all the time to sell this product or that one, all from asia, point is im not buying 100 of them for even one or tow of them to only go bad and not have any support available except to have to send them all the way back to asia!! For what you make off them its not worth selling them.
Rory
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Basically a half leght card, used mostly in the mini-PC's that use the ITX motheboardswould be nice to get one that works in one of these )
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does geo have actual windows software, or just browser based?
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I would think it depends on the on the CCD .. if you put a 1/3 ccd in either with the correct optics (which I believe are available), same... thats why the traditional style cameras are getting so small... some not much longer than a bullet.I am interested in this too for an upcoming project .... i will let you know if I see anything.... and visa versa....
The tradtional cameras, full sized, are much better images than a compact or micro lens.
Rory
4 camera surveillance system for an RV park. Please help!
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no, just 1 receiver for 1 transmitter. You can get a larger antennas for the receivers or tranmistters if you have issues. I had some good experience with great support from that web site I listed, www.videotransmitters.com, which is VIDEOCOM.They have alot of tech support on thier site, like how to install everything etc. They respond quick also with support issues.
Yeah, most day nights are around $400 for real. Get the Toshiba, see how it goes.
Rory