rory

Sorry mate,,, how is that for timing.. the one time I post an option for someone to log in, I had to make some adjustments to the software.. Laughing out a loud! It will work now if you want to try again.. I think ME is the ONLY platform that does not work. you will need direct x loaded on your machine (comes with latest internet explorer which comes with XP). other than that you could try JPEG instead of MPEG4 pretty poor in features but may work with systems that dont have direct x or the later codecs that come in 2000 or XP.

 

Sorry bout having to change things just had to change your passwords and thought I cpould do it quicker than you trying tolog on.. but darn phone rang.. try again now!

COOL MAN, its working now, im using the single camera

You have a fast connection, cable/DSL??

I take it camera 7 is the ganz? If it is its a great daytime picture, i am impressed.

what type of camera is camera 11? Desk shot, good quality also

I mean that keyboard is really crisp.

Rory

Learnt long ago not to touch that ....that isnt mine! ends up costing more... but if you need the work I understand.. PS your brother looking ofr a job at all is he in this industry?

hi, no he is currently working for delta airlines. not sure what area he is looking to work in, ill ask, thanks

Rory

OK IM in 1024x but cant connrct, ill try again in a few..

By the time you read this post I will have reconfigured the access for you.. dont advertise the features you see on my system as they are not yet relkeased to the public, multiview window and two way audio.!

 

should be ok to try again now!

argg, i get doesnt support windows me, and only 1024x..

im on windows me right now till my main pcis bak up, im on a laptop..

By the time you read this post I will have reconfigured the access for you.. dont advertise the features you see on my system as they are not yet relkeased to the public, multiview window and two way audio.!

 

should be ok to try again now!

ok will try again, if i get on ill go on again in the morning here (9am) your nighttime.

I have seen similar camera monitor kits sold here, but I have always told the customer to get rid of them rather than play with them, if you want to pay the freight I can see if they are still floating around and you can play with them, but they are junk.

No please! No i just wanted t o know if you heard of them, dont send them! . The clients said they didnt want to upgrade just yet, i tried and tried but they just dont want to spend the dollars for new cameras yet.

I hate these cameras with a vengeance! but i really need the extra money which is the only reason i touched the job.

Rory Sanyo Cameras have the multi zone light measuring system for backlighting. I learned the hard way with the f-sop lens level, i was using a too bright lens, f1.0.95 (i think) lens, and with the 2 large UF500 LEDs, the camera kept switching from BW to Color, so i raised the level and then it worked fine.

 

Sorry bad explanation again.. what i meant to say is that yes good pictures but with IR Illumination! you can use a low F Stop lens with IR as long as you have a camera that has a photcell sensor built in to determine the difference between IR light and visable light. The ganz at 32x boost is at 0.012lux which is pretty low light.

yep, they are no low light, i know that now after testing, actually they are terrible as far as low light, they only work with IR light. I asked about this after i (client) paid $700 for a IR day night dome camera and it would give inferior picture in the night club (wasnt bought for the nightlcub, but only for use with IR anyway which it worked good for) but I was testing and figured it should have also have low light, anyway I know better now! Thanks to the 2 clients of mine that allow me to test new products with them, im going to get a ganz for one of them, probably the night club.

By the way, re: extremecctv.com, some great cameras, high prices, but are worth it for IR situations, though not low light or normal. The EX82 though gives a great color daytime picute but it is a seperate camera from its BW IR camera (2 in one), and costs $1250 US.

They have a LRX version, color where there is light in the Picture, and IR BW where it is pitch dark or low light. But i would only use them if you need video in pitch dark. Ill try to get some new digital pictures.

Rory

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Originally posted by AVCONSULTING:

I agree with our OZ associate in that the Ganz are definitely top quality and a very reasonable price. I used to be a master distributor for Computar and Ganz and found them exceptionally reliable and backed by a factory who is second only to Pelco when it comes to customer service. Maybe equal to Pelco.

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Why did you stop selling them, we have had no problems with them at all, just curious?

I dont think he is in the biz as much anymore, not sure, i think he owned / managed a secu company for years that sold them, which is probably what he means.

I would suggest the router as the easiest of solutions and the leqast time consuming + you get a firewall which should help to protect you.

i have had one in the car sinc last week. havent had the chance to test yet, hopefully tomorrow or the next day.

PS. ever had any experience with FOCUS FS100A Ball Cameras? Im moving some from an old shop to a new one. They are the ones that get power off the monitor, cheapos!! Anyway, spent all afternoon testing to find out which wire was for which, as the yhavent worked for months, its not my client, just aked to move them. Somone cut them off from the original monitors and RCAd to a PC based DVR (none ive ever heard of, i think it was 123 CCTV Multi PC DVR or something, ill know more tomorrow). System is running win98 loaded to the brim with tons of startup programs, i suggested highly they pay me to reformat with xp or 2000 (i only have xp right now but they could buy/borrow 2000), tweaked of course!

Anyway, i found a 15V DC 2000MA plug that will power all 6 cameras, without the monitors, but ended up they get negative for the video and power off the same stranded cable from the power supply, video is the center cable, positive is positive, and audio, is one wire only, yellow! Anyway, in the end it will be easy to hook up as i will just use the 2 pair telephone wire they ran for power, and just hide the coax for a future upgrade to a better camera.

Reason i asked is i only found info on these online on a canadian web site and an australian web site. no others. They are BW with 2 lux, 350TVL, truly pathetic as a BW camera!! Im not sure if it is an american manufacturer or not though. The cables are telephone type, but custom.

Thing is they sell them for like $100 for a system with monitor cameras etc. THis company makes ALOT of profit as its a world known clothing co, but i guess they will eventually upgrade. At least i will get it working for now, since they havent had working video recording for months now, when they though they did!

ok thanks, just tried it it has no privilage to access, forgot it is still daytime there! SOrry, ok, so that is 10pm your time would be like 7 am, say then 8.30-9am, so your time 12 midnightish?

I would show you the nighclub where i have the 2 low light colot kalatel cams but they have all the lights on tonight, not sure if they are turning them off. I am impressed with any low ligh technology. Let me know what time i can check your server again, thanks. I know teh casinos use ganz here and in the US, so if thats the best Ill go with that for my high end.

Thanks

Rory

The Ganz one is 0.012 Lux and is still colour.. as for the fevers, why not try the korean higher end day night it has a phoito sensor to differencuiate between IR light and Normal light and has a mechanical filter change instead.

 

If you want LOG into my machine tonight (it is now 1:13Pm) only have it on half settings at the mnoment, but it is pitch black in the street. 203.217.13.67 if you havent used Geo before then email me digitalsecurity@westnet.com.au for instructions.. password and username are AVDVR... You will know the Ganz camera... trust me!! Short intructions are... Hit submit---------Choose DSL/Cable or Modem if slow connection---You may have to wait to download small codec first time connected (takes 30 secs max)---------- Choose how many windows (cameras)---click submit---- press play--- type in username and password.

Hope this helps

I have never tried their stuff. Are they a manufactorer or Re Seller

I have not been impressed with any IR Illumination cameras yet, they seem to only beable to handle small areas and they only seem to cover small distnaces too. I do sell on however not a big mover, mainly because the cameras that will switch to B/W on low light levels seem to perform better than those that use illuminators, unlles you intend in using a array of LED's seperately I would steer clear of them.. the two cameras I would recommend for low light that I have are the

1/ Ganz wide Dynamic camera (fully Digital) ZC-Y30 $307 US Japanese

It has configurable shutter speed, manual option for wide dynamic performance and on screen zoning for wide dynamic area setting it also has multi level Backlight options and zoning for backlight compensation as well as DB settings for Gain control, Chroma settings and Camera ID, Sharpness adjustments and much more, Hell of a camera

 

2/ Korean Day Night camera, X View Sensor Switches to B/W on low light levels @ $207 US

 

I do sell the LED one at $134 US

 

If you were going for a zoom box why not go PTZ with 25x zoom Day Night camera and enviro housing roughly $1573 US, that is just the camera though not the keyboard or housing.

 

hope this helps

hi, yes ive used the IR cameras from www.extremecctv.com, but only in pitch dark. the ones i used, 2 versions, 1 worked well to 100+', the other, over 400', but i only needed 100', it was overkill, but just like daylight, in pitch dark. They use them in UN Bases, Afganistan, IRAQ, US MIlitary, Uk. etc. They have recenlty been installed all over London.

IR Cameras are a pain though, have to go in daytime to set up and nightime to get the IR properly adjusted, down here with nightime mosquitos and all kind of weird fevers from them, and a high crime rate, working in pitch dark alone, it can be anoying!

they are expencive though, which is why i was asking about provideo. provideo is a manfactuter, make really good bullet cameras.

I have used quite a few day night and low light, they all though tend to be much the same. Kalatel actually has the lowest color low light camera i have tested, 0.02 lux, and can utlize some IR light in almost pitch dark. Not the best picture though, but it is better than the others I tried, for low light nightimt images, daytime, id use any another brand.

I will still get one of those Ganz to test though, as soon as some more cash flow comes in

ROry

I agree with our OZ associate in that the Ganz are definitely top quality and a very reasonable price. I used to be a master distributor for Computar and Ganz and found them exceptionally reliable and backed by a factory who is second only to Pelco when it comes to customer service. Maybe equal to Pelco.

ok thanks both, ill have to get my hands on one of them.

Rory

If you want ease-of-use, and reliability, and not to worry about hardware compatibility, i suggest you go with a non PC based DVR system. If you have 48 cameras then I i,agine they want a very good system.

Look at Kalatel's DVRs. They are all in ones. They connect to he LAN also.

I have 8 cameras with a 320GB doing 28 days recording. @ 5pps. it is using motion recording, and its in a 24 hour gas station. you could get 28 days on your 16 cameras then if you are only open during office hours. You can always add more space using additional digital storage device called DVSe from Kalatel.

They are more expensive than PC based but it depends what you want. They are basically maintenence free. The simplex DVMRe 320GB would be the cheapest, Triplex version is nice for playback features (playback while stil recording) but if you would be using your LAN connected PC to play it back then just get a simplex. There are also SDVRs which go up to 250Gb and are cheaper with built in CDRW, or if you could just add a single channel DVR if you want to just upgrade your currect VCR.

Rory

First, thank you for creating this forum. So far, it's the only place I've found online for objective advice about DVR systems. It's clean, well-organized and easy to navigate.

 

Although I am not a PC or technical professional, I have been assigned the task of doing the preliminary research for upgrading my company's video security system. I have been browsing the Internet to learn about the basics of DVR cards. (If I read anymore at this point I think my head is going to explode )

 

I am confident that our PC-Support department can build the required PCs (I'm assuming a Win2K-based system, since that's what we use on almost all of our PCs), so I am at the point of deciding which brand and fps rate DVR card to go with, and which retailer to contact. I have several questions.

 

First, some background:

Our video surveillance system for a six-story office building/plant area. The cameras (all B&W) are mostly inside, in the stairwells and elevator areas, but also cover the lobby and parking garage gates. Our current system uses three VCRs, each with a multiplexer. They record "24/7". Each VCR is set to record 18 hours/tape, but we switch-out the tapes every 12 hours. Each multiplexer is maxed-out with 16 cameras, so we currently have a total of 48 cameras (at this location), but we want to add more. We do not use or need audio recording with our system. We keep our VCR tapes for 30 days before re-using them.

 

We seldom have any security problems that require us to go back and view a video tape, but the few times that we've had to it has been very time-consuming to find the right moment on the video tape, and even when/if we do, the recording rate is so slow that the exact moment of interest may not have been recorded.

 

Based on what I've learned so far...

 

To support the current 48 cameras, we'll need at least three PCs, each with a 16-input DVR card. My understanding is that a 16-input 30-fps card would give us only about 1.8 fps/camera - if all the cameras are actually recording at the same time. I assume we will use the motion-detection feature of the cards so we aren't constantly recording from each camera. Still, since the whole point of this project is to UPGRADE (to something that will last for many years), I'm thinking we should get at least 60-fps cards, preferably a 120-fps cards. Any thoughts/comments on this?

 

Regarding brands of card, I've found the following (each claiming to be the "most advanced", of course): GeoVision, TAI Labs, G-Max (sold by skywaysecurity), Bolide, and AVerMedia. Also, there is a company called dvrcards.com that sells its own "professional" brand, which they claim is better than the "economy" GeoVision or TAI Labs cards they sell.

 

My main concerns are hardware compatibility, ease-of-use, and reliability. I've read good comments in this forum about GeoVision cards. I'd appreciate any input/comments on other brands.

 

I also have a question about video compression formats. The most common combination seems to be "wavelet" or Mpeg-4, but some brands offer JPEG. Any comments on this?

 

Also, the software for the various brands of cards all seem to offer the same features. Any comments on which company's software is the most

reliable and user-friendly? Also, which companies provide the best documentation and offer good support for their products?

 

Question about PAL v. NTSC (forgive my complete ignorance on this one): I've read that the fps is affected by whether you are recording in NTSC

or PAL. What determines which type of signal (NTSC or PAL) a system records in? Is it based on the type of video display monitors and/or

cameras being used? Since I'm in the U.S., can I assume that our system records in NTSC? Or, is there some setting in the DVR card software

that allows you to choose which signal you want to use?

 

Which retail suppliers have you had good experiences with? Which would you steer clear of? Finally, do you know if there are any suppliers that will allow a potential customer to "demo" a card for a short time to see how well the card performs?

 

All suggestions and comments welcome.

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

Specotech (Provideo) may be able to sell you everything you need to work for this, as they have evreything like the quad, multiviewer. multiplexers, sirens, audio devices, RF modulators for TV, Monitors, and more.

They are a good budget company with so far tested myself, some long lasting cameras. They are inexpensive but not too cheap to be considered cheap quality products, id day say they make some good products. Out of ALOT of their CVC-325 bullet cameras located by the ocean and in a nightclub, and at my appartment on the ocean also, they have lasted almost 2 years with absolutley no problems, i am impressed for the price, and the picture is good in low light also. Im talking even compared to ALOT of expensive day/night or just nighttime cameras I have installed/tested. Of course the Infrared part is limited to only 15 feet or so (in thier bullet cameras anyway), so if you need to see beyond that youd need extra illumination or a diferent camera. I see they have a couple new IR cameras that go to 150' (claimed). Dont know the price and wont work with this system setup.

Let us know what they say, thanks

Rory

Ok here is the link, exactly what you ar elooking for ?? Up to a total of 4 cameras: System comes with 1 camera plus the switcher, just add the other 3 cameras. Comes in BW with Infrared or COLOR. You can extend the wire they supply with twisted pair or telephone wire etc.

 

http://www.specotech.com/cart/products/productDetails.asp?prodID=474

 

 

Download the page i cut out from their fall catalog, PDF format:

http://www.aspbahamas.com/ResiCamCatCut.pdf

 

 

B/W Resi-Cam Observation System

(RESI-200)

Our B/W residential observation system has a passive infrared sensor that detects motion and sends a signal to the control unit. Then, an audible chime alerts the user, and the control unit momentarily interupts the TV image (switching to the camera image). The TV viewing interuption can be adjusted or disabled based upon their customized user settings. It features an infrared LEDs that enhance viewing in low light conditions. By using the composite video output, the control unit can be alternatively connected to the auxiliary inputs, PIP inputs, or modulator for whole house viewing. A weatherproof camera, mounting bracket, control unit, 65 foot cable, a UL listed power supply, and control unit-to-TV coaxial cable are included in the The Resi-Cam unit.

 

 

Resi-Cam Switcher

(RESI-10M)

This is our AV switcher that allows multiple camera operation for either B/W (RESI-200) or color Resi-Cam (RESI-600) systems. It allows expansion to a maximum of four cameras per system. It features adjustable switching modes that allow multi-location observation. It has a PIR sensor, which triggers a switch to the camera.

 

Now THAT looks promising. Thanks, Rory!

 

I fired off an email to Specotec with some questions, but this may be exactly what we are looking for.

 

In case there's more good input, here's the questions I sent them:

 

1. I notice that the signal can be set from 5 to 80 seconds. We intend to have a dedicated monitor for the video; is there any way to have the video always on? (And is there a way to cycle from camera to camera every few seconds... or even split off to a standard quad-viewer?)

 

 

YEs - Use a Quad with loop through, the quad monitor output goes to the dedicated monitor, and the loop through goes to the Resicam Switcher. The Resicam Switcher can then goto a modulator which can put it on channels 3 or 4 for cable, so it will switch to that say if you are watching TV in your bedroom and the dedicated monitor is in tje living room. Or you can just not use the TV and have multiple monitors, linking each one from output to input. AND, you can use a TV instead of a monitor if you want to save money, just use the video Inputs (RCA). The quad can view 4way or switch from camera to camera with different speed (dwell) settings.

 

2. We'll want four cameras. If we were to want more, is it possible to "stack", "chain" or "piggyback" two AV switchers (for a total of up to 7 cameras)?

 

Yes, but you will need multiple monitors if using a quad, or use a 9/10 channel multiplexer, OR, provideo has a cheaper multiviewer which is like a quad but displays up to 9 cameras.

http://www.specotech.com/cart/products/productDetails.asp?prodID=362

 

The 2 switchers would be next to each other, as far as I can tell (havent used them yet), they are what sounds the alarm, but youd need to check with Specotec on that.

 

3. Do the black-and-white cameras have built-in infrared illumination for night?

 

Yes the BW have IR built in, the color does not.

 

4. Do the color cameras offer any nightvision options? (Some color cameras can switch to black-and-white at night.)

 

No they are 5LUX color cameras so they would require alot of illumination. The BW are 0.1 lux so they can see in low light, but also in pitch dark with the IR (limited I think to 15-20 feet).

 

5. With multiple cameras, can you view the image from any camera at any time you want, or does video *only* happen when there is motion?

 

Using a loop through and a quad or multiplexer, you can view any camera you want, you are taking the signal from the camera before it reaches the Resicam System. Check with Specotech on this also.

 

6. Are the motion detectors "smart"... are they prone to false positives from blowing leaves, small animals, etc.?

 

I would imagine they are not 'smart' as with alarm type motions, as they say they do 100 degrees. Id like to know also, so let us knowwhat Specotec says please, thanks

 

7. How loud is the "chime" and can a louder (indoor) alarm be attached? Can the chime be set to repeat or stay on until disabled--or does it only chime once?

 

Good question.

 

8. How well do the cameras handle temperatures from zero to 32 degrees Fahrenheit?

 

9. Is there a maximum cable length?

 

they include a 65 foot cable, but any video cable can be extended manually. Let us know what they say here also, thanks. If you are going to be running hundreds or thousands of feet then you could always hook the rca/twisted pair they use, to RG6 or RG11, but its no fun, and they may have a solution for you. Im not surer if they have seperate power from video, but most likley as their other cameras do, let us know...

 

10. We have no need for recording, if that makes a difference in any of these questions.

 

Only if you are buying the record it device that triggers the VCR.DVR. Not needed then.

 

 

 

-Rob Steward

I'm definitely closing in on the issues, here.

 

I found a system with cameras which include PIR motion detection--which would eliminate the need for two systems (motion alarm plus video).

 

The system is a Lorex SG-14Q5381UQ. The cameras are weather resistant, and you can purchase an optional shield/housing for added protection.

 

The manual lists an infrared illumination nightvision accessory, but these are color cameras... so the IR illumination shouldn't work, right?

 

This system is very close to what we need in terms of features. Any thoughts, warnings, alternatives or suggestions?

 

Thanks!

 

Infrared only works in BW mode.

 

Maybe you can look at Provideo (www.csi-speco.com) Resicam, built in motion, weatheresistant, BW IR, can connect to trigger VCR etc. Ill take a qyick look again at them and post the exact link..

Ok here is the link, exactly what you ar elooking for ?? Up to a total of 4 cameras: System comes with 1 camera plus the switcher, just add the other 3 cameras. Comes in BW with Infrared or COLOR. You can extend the wire they supply with twisted pair or telephone wire etc.

http://www.specotech.com/cart/products/productDetails.asp?prodID=474

Download the page i cut out from their fall catalog, PDF format:

http://www.aspbahamas.com/ResiCamCatCut.pdf

B/W Resi-Cam Observation System

(RESI-200)

Our B/W residential observation system has a passive infrared sensor that detects motion and sends a signal to the control unit. Then, an audible chime alerts the user, and the control unit momentarily interupts the TV image (switching to the camera image). The TV viewing interuption can be adjusted or disabled based upon their customized user settings. It features an infrared LEDs that enhance viewing in low light conditions. By using the composite video output, the control unit can be alternatively connected to the auxiliary inputs, PIP inputs, or modulator for whole house viewing. A weatherproof camera, mounting bracket, control unit, 65 foot cable, a UL listed power supply, and control unit-to-TV coaxial cable are included in the The Resi-Cam unit.

Resi-Cam Switcher

(RESI-10M)

This is our AV switcher that allows multiple camera operation for either B/W (RESI-200) or color Resi-Cam (RESI-600) systems. It allows expansion to a maximum of four cameras per system. It features adjustable switching modes that allow multi-location observation. It has a PIR sensor, which triggers a switch to the camera.

I'm definitely closing in on the issues, here.

 

I found a system with cameras which include PIR motion detection--which would eliminate the need for two systems (motion alarm plus video).

 

The system is a Lorex SG-14Q5381UQ. The cameras are weather resistant, and you can purchase an optional shield/housing for added protection.

 

The manual lists an infrared illumination nightvision accessory, but these are color cameras... so the IR illumination shouldn't work, right?

 

This system is very close to what we need in terms of features. Any thoughts, warnings, alternatives or suggestions?

 

Thanks!

Infrared only works in BW mode.

Maybe you can look at Provideo (www.csi-speco.com) Resicam, built in motion, weatheresistant, BW IR, can connect to trigger VCR etc. Ill take a qyick look again at them and post the exact link..

hi, has anyone had a chance to test any of Provideo's new camera products?

Eg.

150' IR Bullet Day Night Camera

550TVL Indoor Color Dome

Weatherproof Vandalproof Dome with Day Night + IR LEDs to 45'

Auto Focus/Zoom Box camera with remote

just wanna know before i go ahead and buy one or 2 to play with??

they have a downloadable catalog on thier web site. Ive had some good experience with thier bullet cameras so far, and they are cheaper for low budgets and easy installed, hence cheaper installation cost also.

Thanks

Rory

I know heaps about most of the DVR cards so if you need any assistance please do not hesitate to call.. If you would like to try our demo email me and I will send you instructions on how to log onto ours and speak through it!

digitalsecurity@westnet.com.au

hi thanks. I tried your email but it came back, should I try again?

Rory

Have you used many Ganz Cameras? Are they as good as Sanyo? I like their housings, and i currently use the computar lenses. They seem cheaper than Sanyo?? Cheap is what we need here in the bahamas due to high customs tax, but i also still need quality.

I dont like the look of their mux, prefer black/charcoal colored like with Kalatels, but maybe i can use their quads.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks

Rory

In my opinion either Sanyo or Ganz are the best cameras on the market, Sony does not release all of its CCD chips to other manufactorers however there are many grades of Sony chip available to the market and some manufactorers use cheaper grade ones and really it comes down to the components used to generate the signal as well, for example how good the electronics are. However you can buy good quality Korean cameras that in my opinion are not that much different than Sony but they do not have the overheads therefore the cost is less and you can buy direct not from a distrbutor.. there are guys that are very cheap in Korea and they sell Sharp and Sanyo chipped cameras,, in my experience the order of quality in manufacture goes... Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese and I will only sell Japanese and Korean.. Japanese Manufacture is always the best!

 

The sanyo Cameras Rock!! especially the one with built in motion tracking.. no one else does 520TV lines yet that I am aware of, mind you the Ganz camera range is Cheaper and very very good indeed, so is Panasonic but they recently had problems with their CCD chips.

yes, i do like the features Sanyo has in its regular cameras, and its domes.

I hooked up 1 panasonic and it had some good backlighting. Didnt like the look of them i saw on the web, but this one looked 'normal'!

I havent checked out Ganz yet will take a look now.

Its expensive though for us to buy from asia, since we are so far away, but you guys are right there Maybe i should move! I have some family over there, my brother is supposed to be moving there soon, getting his australian citizenship straight now

In my opinion either Sanyo or Ganz are the best cameras on the market, Sony does not release all of its CCD chips to other manufactorers however there are many grades of Sony chip available to the market and some manufactorers use cheaper grade ones and really it comes down to the components used to generate the signal as well, for example how good the electronics are. However you can buy good quality Korean cameras that in my opinion are not that much different than Sony but they do not have the overheads therefore the cost is less and you can buy direct not from a distrbutor.. there are guys that are very cheap in Korea and they sell Sharp and Sanyo chipped cameras,, in my experience the order of quality in manufacture goes... Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese and I will only sell Japanese and Korean.. Japanese Manufacture is always the best!

 

The sanyo Cameras Rock!! especially the one with built in motion tracking.. no one else does 520TV lines yet that I am aware of, mind you the Ganz camera range is Cheaper and very very good indeed, so is Panasonic but they recently had problems with their CCD chips.

thanks, this gives me something to play with. Looks like ill need a router in the end anyway, but ill still play with the DHCP to see how it works.

Thanks

Rory

Ok now we are getting somewhere, DHCP has nothing to do with the name that is DNS Domain Name Serving.

DHCP allows your I/P to refresh all the time with a new one..

1/ I do not know this sure safe product at all is it PC Based or Standalone?

Set your DVR to subnet 255.255.255.0 and I/P 192.168.0.3 (Fixed)

Set your PC to Subnet 255.255.255.0 and I/P 192.168.0.2 (Fixed)

Then you should be able to ping the DVR from your Computer and all should work fine.

If you can not Fix the I/P of the standalone and it uses DHCP only then

 

2/ Turn on internet connection sharing on your PC this will enable your PC to be a DHCP server and it will issue an address to both your PC and your Standalone, problem is that you will not always know what it is!

 

The problem you have is that you have DHCP turned on and you have nothing to serve the machines with an I/P, its like this... if you fix it ..it knows where it lives but if you want it to fetch one it has to know where to get it from and you do not have a DHCP issuing server so it looks but cant refresh the I/P.

 

You need to turn on internet connection sharing and make your PC a DHCP server if you want to use DHCP. OR

 

3/ Buy a router and set it to issue DHCP to all your machines, also tell it to only use a range of say 3 I/P adresses for instance 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.3 and 192.168.0.4 then you have only three possible I/P's that it can use so you will always no it is at least one of the three.

 

Lastly I think what your trying to do is connect to an outside I/P range, for example 10.1.1.3 or 192.168.0.2 are internal addreses and work only on a lan, if you try to connect to 202.168.45.12 then you are trying to connect to something through the internet so if you were to type that into your browser it will head in the direction of your cable modem and internet rateher than on your lan... look simply buy a router and if you can afford it get a static I/P.. also you could use a Dynamic I/P mapping program if you needed it.

Oops. I obviously forgot to state a key detail. We want these to be external cameras, monitoring several approaches to our house.

 

Thanks so much for the suggestion, though. I'll certainly take a closer look around that website.

 

If at all possible, we would like to avoid needing a computer.

 

Thanks again!

-Rob

whhoops, ok non pc based,

If you dont need recording just get a BW multiplexer, or quad if you dont want to spend the cash on a multiplexer. If it is more than 4 i recommend a muliplexer either way. Any brand will do. Use some of those provideo BW bullet cameras, a 19/20" TV, an ademco alarm vista 15p pack, some Optex outdoor PIRs. The siren will go off, and you look at your TV. Only thing is it doesnt come up on the TV which area it is, so youd need to look at the alarm keypad. U could get a full english keypad that has zone description in plain english instead of just zone numbers, and have that next to your TV or near it.

There are other ways to do it, I havent done much observation systems so maybe some one else can jump in with a recommendation for a non pc based way.

Nice pics

Are they all non PC products, what PCI card machines have you done?

Hi, yes they are all in one embedded systems, non PC, Kalatel.

Ive actually only installed one PC based, as I dont sell them generally. But i am looking for a good brand now. The one i installed was actually pretty good, though required windows XP only! I cant remember the name, something like Remote Eye. I did it for someone else as they knew nothing about computers, and like you said in another post, i tweaked the heck out of that PC!

All the rest ive installed are the Kalatek DVRs, DSR-2000 and the newer StoreSafe. They hold up really well and never have had to go back to service them. Occasional Internet problems only as our local ISPs arent all that great.

Hard Wired would be the best choice as even wireless is not all wireless, you still need power.

I personally dont use the PC based systems, though I have installed one or 2 and they are fine for a home system, and they do have alot of integrated featuers such as built in alarm sirens for motion, and if you have a home PC it would be the cheapest way to go for the system parts. They have built in alarms for motion detection using the image pixels, so no motion detectors are required.

4 Provideo BW Bullet Cameras @ $80 each, would be a good choice.

Then the system of your choice.

You could use a multiplexer with a single channel DVR (for recording), the multiplexer has motion recording built in, or you can install some outdoor PIRs from Optex, and connect them to the DVR/Mux so when there is motion the alarm goes off. Gets pricey, so the geovision would be the cheapest and easiest way.

I personally have the Provideo Bullets, an Extra 19" TV, and 4 sets of Optex Yard Beams connected to an Ademco Alarm System and a loud siren, at my appartment. I am just using tape right now until i get some more cash.