JF1980

Yes, hence the bargain price. The 2MP mini bullet will be slightly higher, maybe $30-35 more. I guess I may have to sit tight and wait for the 2MP bullet to become available. In the mean time I've posted in another thread where a member has mentioned they are using this camera with PIR triggered lights to see how it performs with that setup. viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33378&p=210573#p210573

I'm considering this camera for my home after a break in. I will be activating PIR triggered floodlighting front and back. I was thinking this camera would therefore be suitable, however some very helpful members have pointed out two possible issues with is: 1) At night when the PIR lighting is off, the sensor may pick up random artefacts due to lack of light which would trigger the motion detection randomly. 2) Dahua cameras they have experience with take some time to adjust to changes in lighting (the floodlights triggering). As a result the first 6-10 seconds of images may be washed out until the camera correctly adjusts the exposure settings. Here's a link to my thread for more info: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33982 Do you experience any of these issues with this camera? Also does it have an external alarm trigger as that may allow me to overcome issue 1 (I could use PIR triggered motion detection). Would really appreciate the benefit of your experience with this model.

Thanks for pointing that out. Does that mean it is only really suitable for day use (or with permanent lighting during night)? Or does anyone with experience of this particular camera know how it will respond to use of PIR floodlights and being in relative darkness the rest of the time. The biggest concern is false motion detection when in the dark due to artefacts. I could probably live with 5-6 seconds of washed out image as it adjusts to changes in ambient light. The only other option appears to be waiting for the 2MP mini bullet from Dahua and hoping it comes in at a similar price

Well having had a look at the KDW-HW47RC80 on AB, it isn't win my budget. I guess KD thought it was in addition to the 3200C, not as an alternative. Hence suggested something more expensive. Also looking again at the spec sheet of the 3200C it doesn't mention I/O ports, so I couldn't use PIR based detection to get over false motion detection at night if I don't add IR illumination (as Kawboy warned).

Well I woke up this morning to find quotes which fell within my budget (3 x 3200c cameras plus NVR3204 or $40 more for the POE version). Then I read your responses and you've given me some more to think about KD have suggested the KDW-HW47RC80 as a response to my questions about the Dahua 2MP bullet, which suggests it isn't available yet. They haven't provided a price though. Do you have any advice about this camera over the 3200C? Also now I'm somewhat back to square one. Do I live with the issues you've highlighted? The most worrying being false motion detection if I go no IR and floodlights only. Given the floodlights are a must, what would you advise?

Hmmmm thanks that has given me something else to think about. Ultimately the floodlights will be going in irrespective of the camera I choose, so I have two options: 1) install IR illumination (on camera or indipendant) aswell. From what you've said this would mean I get some images prior to my floodlights triggering, but given there will still be a significant change in luminance when my floodlights change, I will still have a gap in the middle when the floodlights trigger. That's assuming the camera starts capturing prior to the floodlights triggering (IE the PIR on the floodlights doesn't see movement before the cameras software). 2) Don't use IR illumination and live with the issues you've highlighted. I'm leaning towards option 2 for now for the following reasons: 1) At the front there is street lighting (I live on a busy road and there's a lamppost right outside my house) so the camera would still be able to capture prior to the floodlight triggering. This is where I'd really want recordings for retrospective use, as someone may do something to my car and scarper. 2) At the rear and sides my objective is more to deter or be able to see an event and alert the police (the local police station is within sight of my home). I would hope provided I can spot an intruder and alert the police they would attend fast enough to prevent entry and damage to my door/window. Also I'd be quite happy if the floodlights deterred them in the first place. The key for me would be to give enough detail of clothing, etc that the police could apprehend them if they are near my property. A decent image of their face would be great, but its not essential given the proximity of the police station. If I install the cameras and the solution isn't workable without IR illumination I could always add it. From what I've read many feel discrete IR illumination is better anyway. Thanks again for the illuminating (pun intended ) information.

Well I've mailed them and KD security through AB, lets see what they come back with. Also asked about the NVR3204 (with and without POE). With respect to the cameras, I will be installing PIR controlled floodlights. Would these be adequate given the cameras have no on board IR LEDs, or should I also install IR lighting?

Unfortunately 48 units might be a little too much, I have a big house but its not that big I haven't contacted them yet as I was still unsure if it was a suitable camera. Or wether I should wait for a response from KD about the new Dahua Bullet.

How long do KD usually take to respond? Also the pricing on the IPC-HDB3200C ($71-$125) seems very competitive here: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/732876781/2mp_dahua_cctv_ip_camera_outdoor.html Albeit I'd need to arrange my own night time illumination.

Ideally I'd like to spend upto £400, preferably £300. For that I need at least 3 cameras (preferably 4) as that will cover all the ingress points to my property. Initially I could do edge based storage on SD, or store on a NAS. From the prices kawboy indicated 3 of the new 2MP bullets from Dahua could be an option. I've mailed KD to confirm pricing and lead time. The only issues is my GF is eager for me to get this done for her piece of mind, but I'm reluctant to get the 1.3MP bullets if the new ones will come in at similar price point :/ Thankyou again for all the advice.

I guess I need to either up my budget or give up on IP based system. Checked Costco UK having seen the thread about their Q-See kit, given their excellent service and returns policy figured it may be worth a try. Unfortunately they only offer swann analogue kits in the uk Can anybody recommend an analogue setup I can research within my budget? Obviously with an analogue system I'd need a DVR aswell.

Ideally (like everyone) I want minimal false events and no missed events. However, if the choice is between lots of false events or missing a few events I'd lean towards the latter. That is after carefull consideration of my key goal. That being to capture anyone attempting to break in and my family not being de-sensitised to alerts from the system by lots of false alerts. I figure, PIR triggered detection may miss some events to the edges of the zone, or where someone isn't doing much movement. But in the critical area (around the ingress points to my actual house) I should be able to set it to reliably pick those up, especially with the kind of movement inherent in forcing entry? Of course, the embedded motion detection may work well enough, but I would just like an alternative should it not.

From my limited experience thats the issue with motion detection at the consumer level. Either not sensitive enough or prone to false triggers which condition all but the security obsessed to start ignoring it It doesnt usually take much persuading for me to blow my budget when it comes to tech. But the problem is at $700 x 4, my girlfriend would probably point out it would be cheaper to accept a couple of break ins and get new stuff from the insurance

Thank you for the detailed response. The Zmodo kit I came across while searching for standard DVR kits, and it got me thinking perhaps the IP Cam route is now within (or close to my budget). You're probably right, in that if I did opt for the Zmodo kit it would probably be very restrictive going forward. I've got some experience of consumer level motion detection from my parents (admittedly now very old) setup. Some of the issues you've mentioned (spiders making home on the camera) are familiar. With that in mind I'm questioning wether I need a consumer DVR/NVR for my requirements. My thought process was to spend my budget on decent IP cameras, with the logic on the camera. I could then hopefully use edge based storage and later maybe free up one of the office NAS's, so it could be moved home for storage (or get something like a HP Micro Server, which could also replace my Nettop which currently runs my multiroom home audio system). Hopefully, that would be robust enough to do the basic task of storing recordings. At some point perhaps I could move to a PC/NVR solution. Obviously the embedded motion detection on the Cams will have the same issues as that on a consumer DVR/NVR. However, I thought if I chose Cams with inputs for external triggers, I could use external PIRs should the motion detection not be reliable. I've been reading about the upcoming Dahuas Cams on the forum. I hadnt realised they would fall in my budget Do you know if they have inputs for external alarm triggers? Normally I research, research some more, procrastinate a bit, research some more, then finally make my decision. The issue is my GF really wants me to get this sorted ASAP, as she's constantly worrying about home whenever she's away (to be honest I do a swell a little).

I dont see any mention of I/O ports to connect a PIR or other external trigger on the EYE6. Also do you work for EYESON247? Because you've recently registered and made 4 posts recommending them (I'm sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick).

£300-£400, as with everything the lower the better, but I don't want to throw my money away on a white elephant either. The reason I thought I may not need an NVR if I go the IP camera route is that after seeing the Zmodo I searched for IP cameras and found the likes of Y-Cam which appear to do what I need. However, they have options I dont really need (wifi for example) so I was hoping there may be generic cams closer to my requirements. I have extensive experience in Tier 1 comms and embedded design, so I don't need detailed instructions setting up network side/etc (plus I have experience of working with chinese manufacturers and their eccentric manuals/menus/etc), which appears to be a major gripe wrt generic/chinese offerings. I'm also aware of the tendency of suppliers to over promise, but only deliver on some of those promises. If I could get some pointers on cameras that can do the key things I need reliably, I can then research the shortcomings from other posts/etc.