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Hi guys How many 2MP cameras can you push thru 1 Gigabit Cable? = realistically? I basically have 20 Cameras spread around a wide area.... I'm connecting them all to a 24Port Gigabit switch .. (center/neutral position).. then a single gigabit line from the switch that runs all the way to the NVR (50 meters away) .. Soo.. 1Gigabit = 1000 Mbps Twenty 2-Megapixel Cameras at high settings running on 25fps is basically just 156.70 Mbps, as per http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/network-ip-security-camera-system-bandwidth-calculator So is this still alright/relaxed? Can I add more? any advises? Regards TJ

awesome man. thanks *feelin more confident* Regards

hi guys I know what the OP's problem is, and it's not a mere forwarding, ddns issue.. Think of it this way... if you're using your 3G/4G mobile tethered plan as your main internet connection for your home/office, will you be able to route traffic to your DVRs? Nope. This is now our situation here in the PH.. where even regular DSL line (residential lines at the moment) don't get a REAL PUBLIC IP address = direct connection to the internet.. i guess the ISPs are doing this to save money on IP ranges.. No amount of ROUTER and DDNS tinkering can help us.. sadly. @daxjeremy unfortunately, there's nothing we can do.. VPN may be the only way but the requirements make it not a viable solution.. the only way i got through this are : 1) sign up for their Business account type DSL service (w/c cost a lot of money).. then you'll be on their DHCP for public IP address.. you can use DynDNS and all that afterwards.. or just go get a static IP (addon fee) 2) use CLOUD BASED DVRs, there's a lot in the market now.. this can bypass the issue since cloud based DVRS send data "OUTWARD" to the DVR Manufacturer's assigned servers.. you basically connect and get the stream from their server, not your DVR directly.. problem w/ this is it can be ridiculously slow/unstable coz you're dependent on a middle-man type server from CHINA somewhere.. sucks I hate our ISPs here man.. we're already the worst/MOST EXPENSIVE internet service in ASIA, and they do this sh*t to us. Bunch of greedy bastards. *frustrated*

Hi Guys I really need to get analog CCTV streams converted digitally so that it can work w/ NVR software and such.. i know there are video servers and signal converters but the cost on each camera is just too much.. and DVR hybrids are very limited.. Only way i thought of was getting rid of the dedicated and limiting DVR unit , and use PC as DVR but I've spent too much time and money testing DVR capture cards that work for different brands/models of cameras - most of them are not stable.. So i wanted to ask: Do you guys know of a DVR for analog CCTV that will broadcast / stream each CCTV channel digitally via PORT? I think this is a great way / feature of DVR's if ever.. it's kinda like a video server approach.. Analogs connect to DVR normally, DVR has network capabilities to stream the WEB GUI on, say (192.168.1.10) (normal so far) But it also has ability to stream each camera via port CH1=192.168.1.10:01 CH2=192.168.1.10:02 CH3=192.168.1.10:03 I wish I knew how to do DVR Firmware programming, i'd definitely code this type of feature myself, turning regular DVR's into network video servers

Hi Guys My issue is that most my customers are behind the ISP's router, where they are not getting public ip addresses, but rather internal to the ISP's network.. thus there's now way i can forward traffic from the web to an internal service w/o cooperation from the ISP, w/c is null.. I know there are Cloud based DVRs out there that bypass any network issues, but they tend to be slow, limited, and poor stream quality ... plus a lot of Cloud based DVRs do not support mobile devices... So, what are the other ways of making this work, if there are any? I was thinking of using a VPN service like hotspot shield or openVPN, will this work? has anyone tried it?

Hi guys So my current project requires me to setup 5 units of 5MP Fisheye cameras at a budget .. I decided to go w/ Vivotek FE8174V cameras as they have Backup to NAS capabilities I am a bit worried about the PERFORMANCE and STORAGE REQUIREMENTS because, the Camera costs ate most of the budget and leaves very little for the rest of the system I don't need any FANCY analytics and other VMS/NVRs.. i just need a way to SAVE the recorded videos, and allow for security guard to view the de-warped streams on the fly.. I understand that the Vivotek does this de-warping via IE.. basically work is being offloaded to the client PC/BRowser via OCX.. but 1) Can a standard computer run 5 IE windows, each dewarping? or will it require a beast of a computer? also since customer wants this recording at full 5MP , with motion detection triggereing for a total of 8hours/day at least.. I think that 2TB HDD allocation i have for the system wont last a week, or will it? Anyway, im looking to this community for help/advises.. my idea to cut costs is use a simple NAS that is compatible w/ it.. just for recording.. then setup a computer for the Security guard for the live viewing/monitoring.. should the guard want to review a footage the he can grab the file off the NAS based on date and play it back.. it's pretty crude but i think it saves $$$. or.. perhaps i can invest a bit on a good NVR / VMS software (3rd party perhaps) and setup a quadcore i7 pc for RECORDING and VIEWING... but im unsure if the 5 cameras running 5MP will be handled nicely.. i've not seen this many fisheye cameras deployed on 1 system/network.. hence im a bit worried lol Hoping for some insights, REgards

ah yes as far as i know these hybrids are geared towards supporting analog and ip cameras into 1 web gui stream .. i dont need ip camera support.. i just need to be able to convert each CCTV signal to digital stream... so i can have another NVR software deal w/ each camera.. the DVR is basically just the recording device and the NVR software deals w/ analytics etc..

yeah man, boneheads they definitely are.. i hate that they're doin this .. aite man tnx

what is not True? I don't get your comment thanks mate but i'm not in the US.. im in the Philippines.. and the ISPs here are retards.. since demand for internet exploded here, they figured instead of purchasing IP address blocks , they decided to put all residential accounts behind their internal network.. hence there's really no way (i think) of listening to incoming requests or setting forwarding for public requests from the internal network anymore.. so it's not an issue of what ISP to go with anymore it's how i bypass this.. w/o using CLOUD BASED Dvrs So it basically looks like this WWW ---> ISP Network Routing (using real IP address) --- > Residential Accounts (using ISP private IP Addresses)

Your information, sir, is GOLD! Thanks so much! Can't help but notice, you have 1 post count at the time of your kind reply to my post... Gives me an impression that you setup an account just to reply to my query? If so, you remind me of the early days of WEB Forums and Communities, where "majority" of users/members really take the time and effort to help and interact. Thank you once again, much appreciated!

has anyone tried the new Fisheye cameras of Vivotek FE8174V.. checked the speccs out and i don't see any significant changes..hmmm I'm praying this has better on-board dewarping and multi streaming..

Hi guys, been at this for days, can't seem to tell w/c camera (if there is one) has a good match for the following required features... What I'm looking for is 360 deg Fisheye cameras Required Features: 1) 5MP or higher with good FPS (15fps?) 2) Vandalproof and Outdoor Type / weather proof 3) PoE 4) Onvif 5) Multi-browser support (not just IE) (for viewing at least) 6) Support for Mobile Devices (iOS/Android) (viewing at least) 7) Records RAW fisheye video (obviously) on camera dewarping for LIVE Multi-View for monitoring (pano, dewarped, selected frame/crops) , meaning does not require NVR for dewarping live view 9) ePTZ / dewarped playback of recorded videos (on camera ) 10) can continue recording even when viewing live, and playing back 11) Day/Night capabilities 12) Records Directly to NAS - so I wont need an VMS/NVR or the likes Desired Features: 1) Multi streaming of Multi-Views (each view/crop/frame streams independently perhaps via different ports) 2) Built-in microphone Basically here's what i'm trying to do. 1) De-centralized, distributed system type of setup where each camera is able to store recording and has VMS enabled features (live viewing, motion detection, and etc ).. basically NVR/VMS independent setup. 2) 5MP recording onto an SDCard is not practical, so I plan to attach a NAS to each Camera, or to a cluster of cameras (joined by a small switch per cluster) for the recording. Hence i need the save to NAS feature (motion triggered AND scheduled) .. 3) Given that this is de-centralized, the cameras should serve VMS and STREAMS for Live Monitoring as well as PLAYBACK 4) The ADMIN access (options, settings, playbacks w/ dewarping etc) can use Internet Explorer , or perhaps a free NVR software, for this purpose. However the USERS (monitoring only) need to be able to access the streams/views (de-warped if necessary) via any device/browser... hence if the IP Camera has MULTIVIEW Streaming, that would be perfect.. Regards TJ

Hi guys I really need your advise on this one. I just recently gotten into hemispherical cameras and i think they are great.. but i really hate how most options are NVR dependent (proprietary issues) .. I have an existing deployment and i just want to attach a 360deg cam w/o having to purchase a new NVR and such. I did my research as well but found difficulty in confirming w/c ones have onboard correction and w/c ones require you proprietary NVR (box or software) So far the ONLY one that I have confirmed (based on a video demo/promo) that has this functionality are the Mobotix cams.. infact they CLAIM they are the only ones w/ such feature - where it's fully de-centralized system having the camera itself do image correction and framing.. your software will simply see the cropped out sections of the 360 deg video as different feeds (perhaps being served independently by port ?) But reading this thread discouraged me w/ mobotix: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37655&hilit=360 So i searched so far my results are Vivotek = definitely not onboard (as per manual) Etrovision = dunno can't confirm Axis = dunno can't confirm GeoVision = dunno can't confirm Now I'm really hoping some of you guys here have more experience w/ actual models and could give me some recommendations.. Regards TJ

What 360's have you played with? I guess, since it's covering 360, the quality will be biased on some angles, specially w/ varying light conditions.. like if on 1 side there is strong light and on the other side it's shady.. i dont think the 360 cam would do dynamic adjustment per frame lol ... it's going to try set itself to best contrast,d-range, etc settings.. but perhaps if under controlled and good lighting conditions.. I've yet to deploy my first 360 though..

Hi I'm thinking of using De-Centralized technique in my next deployment, and eyeing vivotek cameras, specially the 360 cameras... So the cameras will now be recording video onto themselves.. but i want the videos automatically backed up over NAS..since i found it quite tasking to remove the SD card and copy the files periodically, and most cameras have terrible GUI for reviewing footages.. My question is are the vivotek IP cameras able to do NAS backup? Preferably SCHEDULED? Or is the SD Card storage viewable as shared folder over the network? I know i can set NAS based recording via ALARM (eg. motion) but i don't want this. I wanted a way to make the data traffic as light as possible on the network.. where I have each camera backing up their footages/recordings at different times of the day. thoughts would be appreciated... TJ

wow you guys are gold. thank you so much for not only mentioning products but also giving personal reviews on them.. I really appreciate it. Now gona look at these cams and see where I go with. about the patent on on-board de warping.. umm i hate it when companies do this. it's such a great technology and it sucks to see it get hold up .. but i don't think this is patended? coz if it was mobotix would have had the patents as they I believe was the first to (and still) boast about such feature TJ

Hi Guys i've been deploying CCTVs and IP camera systems. usually the cheap ones .. on CCTVs i use balun to take advantage of power and video over UTP.. it's great even at 300meters using cat6 cabling.. (for the power around 100m).. anywho, i've been wanting to do the same w/ IP camera deployments, where the power for these cameras come from 1 source and through 1 cabling, the UTP.. right now it's either we use DC wire to send the power to the IP camera, or find a nearby power source and "make extentions".. now i know there are POE type ipcams but it requires PoE switch or booster and all that. plus the PoE cams are expensive.. i like to keep costs low as possible. ok, moving forward. here's what we did.. so since ip cams use 100mbs LAN cable (cat5 standard), we crimped only the pairs needed / used for this network.. that left us w/ 4 wires or 2pairs vacant. we then attached the power line to those 2 pairs.. and hope it'd work. basically same logic as the CCTV.. unfortunately, though the power on the ipcam turned on, the nic led wasnt blinking.. this was most probably a case of camera not getting enough power.. so we tried to dedicate more wires to each DC line just to see if that would work (basically using a new UTP cable to use 3 pairs for the adaptor.).. that also didnt work w/c was strange to me. so we took out our multi-tester and tested the output of the adaptor.. tested the adaptor directly via it's dc/output prong and it read 5v .005A (although the adaptor says 2A DC output, dunno wasap w/ that.i think im reading the tester wrong..) .. anyway that's the default output testing the output from the other end of the UTP cable (around 20meters) the reading was exactly the same! 5v .005A so , if POWER coming straight from the plug of the adaptor is equal to power coming out via 20m utp cable (2 pairs).. then why the heck isnt the camera working? are there other factors to consider? and being in this situation, what can you guys suggest? to achieve basically what i wanted to do?

@GrouchBoucho Lolz thanks for your feedbacks mate.. i do agree w/ lots of ur points.. although 1) NOPE, not all cheap "good quality" ip cams have POE.. most cheap BAD china quality has.. there's a difference. and plus im basically talkin about availability on our end. 2) POE injectr/swtic/etc are all addon costs to each cam or set of cams.. im trying to keep the cost as low as possble w/ innovations 3) My time is worth a lot, but since this is a business I'm in, i consider this RnD time .. if we figure this out nicely w/ products available around us here (we dont have much options from where im from), then it's just 1 time , 1 month long experiment , but once we find a good cost-effective DIY alternative , then it's just cookie cutter.. if this was a 1 time deployment only, then your statement is true 100%, but this is an investment (time effort) for future deployments .. thank you all very much.. i think we're goin w/ the step down solution..

The voltage drop has to be checked under load which means testing with the device hooked up and running at full power. Something like this should work- http://www.amazon.com/Converter-Step-Power-Supply-Module/dp/B00A71CMDU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361902327&sr=8-1&keywords=12v+to+5v+dc+converter Mickey mouse approach but if you don't mind Rube Goldberg devices then go for it. With all of the playing around, complexity, etc you'd probably be better off just using something properly designed for the job and distances involved though. Seems like a lot of work to end up with something mediocre. Thanks very much man. i get the point.. and ill check out that converter thing. but we plan to "build our own" little devices for this purpose. we can hire skilled electronics people to do this if it'll come out cheaper by the 100 to produce. and yeh i know all this sounds like a mickey mouse DIY approach. but to be honest that's what we're known for here.. lolz..we mod tweak and upgrade things ourselves.. even those cams that we are supposed to not upgrade the lenses on, we are able to.. we've not had any problems . ofcourse we do test our little mods out thourouhgly before offering to clients.. and the goal of these is not to give us headaches but to 1) be innovative 2) be UNIQUE/DIFFERENT from our competitors 3) SAVE costs for client and us as well (meaning if this thing we're tweaking becomes more expensive, we might as well using effin flat cords to do the job (the usual way) or that Cat5 shotgun thing hehe. but right now , learning is still good process thank you again.. re the power limitations on cable, thanks.. but to be honest, i i used to think this as well. but we have been deploying CCTV cameras over plain old UTP cat 5 well over 100m.. they are all working great.. then again we are running 12v dc on the UTP vs the 5v DC our ip cam deployment is having problems on .. hence the idea of stepping up the volts to 12v , and converting it back down to 5v on the camera side.. using a small circuit or something. re better off using analogs.. i have to disagree strongly.. i spent many months studying this very fact, comparing ip cameras w/ different cctvs and all. i have a whole list of pros and cons and most pros are in favor of ip cameras, even these cheap "webcam" like cams.. some of the cons are just Note: this is comparing entry level analogs setups vs entry level ip cameras setups , w/c is a budget that most clients can afford only. 1) usually the cheaper ip cams dont have built in NV - we have secret solution for this 2) it's hard to find a cheap outdoor ip cams - we made our own outdoor casing w/ cooling 3) it's more complicated to deploy - we are geeks and it's walk in the park for us.this also opens up oppurtunity to "earn" in maintenance side of things since most customers cant understand ip camera much vs analog plug and play. 4) it's more expensive... (entry level vs entry level). but part of my research was to build a 4ch 8ch and 16ch package package similar to analog packages for clients and offer it at "nearest price point" w/ analog setups.. this means i had to find the cheapest best option on the ipcamera. and i have tested a lot of crappy china stuffs.. lol but pros outway the analogs so much. here are just a few.. 1) of course being ip camera you have "intelligence" on each camera. specific setting on each camera.. ftp uploads, and all. even direct camera access through the router when needed.. i had a client who to view SPECIFIC cameras only remotely not the whole lot.. so i setup an independent stream to each of the ip cams directly from his laptop.. happy customer. 2) IP CAMERA is much better quality than ANALOG camera at the same price point! and this is proven time and time again. 420tvl 500tvl , simply lags a typical 640x480 reso ip camera, in both resolution and picture quality.. not to mention recording and stream options/compressions etc.. the only thing i noticed that analogs got over ip cams are the framerates.. analogs just have crazy fast frame rates over IP cams at similar price points.. 3) IP cams can easily be wireless via ap, routers, or even wifi ip cams, at very little add on cost. 4) 2) we dont use NVRs, we use PC based NVRs, and custom DVR software w/c brings the DVR game to a whole new level. and demmet it's just so much easier to deal w/.. and u can add as many harddrive as u can.. easier to playback. mobile device compatiblitiy. heck, i wont list down all the benefits of a PC based Dvr .. it's a no brainer. and yeh a loooot of the pros for ip camera systems are based on the PC DVR as well. etc etc etc so perhaps those entry level cams may be WEBCAM quality , but they are in no way webcam only .. u should look into it. now that's on the entry level side of things.. affordable vs affordable.. when we talk about high quality requirements w/ good budget then it's a case to case basis.. sometimes analogs work better, sometimes ip cams work better..

Yeh mostly DIYing things... ahh Cat5 shotgun, got it.. unfortunately i dont think we have that around here..i might have to just get the power line separately if i cant get this thing to work on utp line.. here is the most common cam im using http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/?model=TL-SC3130#spec other cams include planet, foscam.. mostly low power standard Ip cams. ..for home office. yes 5v dc.. as per specification: 5VDC, Max 3W , and the original adaptor is that specification as well. so yes i got the proper voltage covered but it seems passing it through utp messes it up.. though the readings are the same on both ends (direct to adapter or thru a 20m cat5.. i spoke to one electrical dude and asked why this was.. coz if the tester output is the same, it doesnt make sense to me why i cant power the ipcam properly thru the cat5.. he said it was because when using a tester, the tester doesnt consume much of the voltage one is testing.. so it gets to read it in full. but when you plug it into a power hungry device, such as an IP cam, it can't draw enough power from the long UTP run.. it's a case of "under voltage".. so he suggested we supply the other end w/ a different adaptor that outputs 12V DC instead of 5, and then just figure out a way to "tone down" the volt on the other end so that i dont burn my IP camera.. makes sense to you guys? so how to tone down the volts and make sure the cam gets exactly 5V DC only? resistors?

i agree.. but im not doing it on the cheap , bad cheap. im doing it on practical cheap. Cat5 shotgun cable? sorry im not familiar w/ the term. im already using Cat5. and i tried cat6 as well. no go. (using up to 4 pairs)

yes i have tried other ports.. it's basically a general incoming block stuff.. also a reason/need for Mobile GPRS connections.. these types of connections normally dont have incoming traffic support as per my experience. so i figured do away w/ need for incoming connectivity and find a solution that works..

Hi guys I'm new on this forum, but have been dealing w/ computers, networks and cctvs/ipcams for quite some time now... I was just wondering if there's GOOOD a way to do REMOTE VIEWING if the ISP has blocked INCOMING traffic, w/c is the case here. I know there's an FTP UPLOAD feature on most ipcams and dvrs, but that's best for storage.. and to view it one needs to run a webserver along the FTP server, and well the user has to connect view per image/video and keep refreshing and all that jazz.. I heard of STREAMING TO SERVER function w/c would be much "seamless" i believe, but one needs to setup its players , not to mention get a server or signup for ustream.. now, i dont miind setting up a media server someowhere to receive the streams though.. is there a software for this? that can work w/ streams from cameras? are there no better solution to this? regards

yeh teamviewer or logmein would be a solution , but "not" a good one. having to control the desktop of the PCDVR is overkill to one who'd like to see video feeds .. plus we use DVR usually and you can't install these remote administration stuffs on.. hmmm....... i could get a DVR that can be controlled over LAN from a PC and put the Teamviewer on that. but wow, that's a lot of middleware

That's the thing though, there are areas here were we have no choice.. and that's the problem im trying to solve.. another is, if there's a way to do this reverse (instead of user connecting INTO the site, the site (DVR/Cams) are pushing out info to a server somewhere), that also makes it easier to setup for some situations where one need not fiddle w/ routers, changing routers will not be a problem, etc.. so really i'm lookin for a "good" REMOTE VIEWING solution that does not require INCOMING PORT configuration.