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I have no idea what is going on here, Levon, you did not offend me, not by any stretch of imagination. I agree that I sound like I try to sell, My ONLY valid point is that I do that for every product...not just Bosch, I am passionate about it hell 1700 odd posts prooves that point, CCTV is my life and I have done it from back in the day whan I used PC Anywhere and a quad unit to make a DVR, you did NOT and I repeat DID NOT offend me in any way, in fact the reason I wish to leave is because you are indeed correct. A manufactorers rep should not be in this forum, you never know to whom you may be speaking to and I do not wish to have my thoughts to be thought of as Bosch thoughts, everytime someone mentions that I work for them, I cringe, in all honesty it is a risk, to be an "honest rep" and work for a manufactorer and also be involved in a forum. But I have been here since it's inception and you have missed some much bigger doosey's than this one, thats for sure, Rory and I are famous for disagreeing, part of me thinks he likes it that way. I dont have direct need to leave, but I think it may be a wise choice in the end, besides, work is getting very busy at the moment, I may come back one day as an anon user that way my views are only my own. Mate you did not offend me in any way, I think you don't know me well enough to undertsand that I also promote a lot of other products and if something stinks in the house then I am first to admit it..which I assume goes against company policy. My decision to leave (maybe not permanant) is a decision that I had already thought a lot about, it is not professional to be arguing with rory all the time so it does not look good for the company name... I just want everyone to know that I ONLY promote what I firmly believe in, no matter if i sell it or not, and my leaving this forum has nothing to do with anyone and is more due to my proffesional position than anything else. I agree manufactorers reps should not be biased and maybe they should not be in forum, but no one knows the products better than these people and quite often they research competitiors products as well, so they should be leant a lengthy ear. I have seen many posts by Rory and others posting links to products so i do not think I was alone in doing this, it probably looked worse because Bosch has more products in more areas therefore I was only ever promoting one Brand rather than say Wiz Kid, Extreeme and GE so it probably looked a lot worse than it was. I am glad you joined the forum levon, you have an electronics background that is needed here and you know the value of good higher end products, over the time I have been here I have seen a lot of lower end product sold, and yes big name reps wont mention their products because of these reasons, but the price has dropped on many major manufactorers and we want to see the public get better equipment than cheap crap, it's not about another sale for Bosch or Pano etc It's about improving the quality of work in our industry so that we as proffesionals can get more work and a better reputation. I will leave with this one last message.. I have and everyone else has seen the price of CCTV fall in the last few years, the margins have shrunk and more manufactorers sell direct than ever before, wehn I started you had to order like 50 Geo Cards and 100's of cameras just to import. As this price drops, the installers price will also drop, therfore it may be acurate to say that more than 50% more new players are in the industry therefore a much more competitive market and it is shifting towards IT (an area famous for operating from low margin), the bottom line is this. Less margin = a need for more volume...more volume = a need for more support and more support = a loss of income, so clearly with a need for less failure and less support and more quantity comes a need for higher quality and the ability to justify a more expensive price, reliabilty and quality and justification for pricing only comes with reputable brands. I have been in the game a long time now and as a wholesaler we see the companies come and go, you can survive if you diversify or you can survive if you provide quality product, hence why I think memnegrs of this forum should look much closer at name branded products if they wish their business to succeed! Chaio all!!

Actually metz, I totally agree with most of your points, however you have not been in this forum long, therefore you have only known my "sales pitch" as you called it for Bosch product. On the contrairy, I have spoken out about a lot of products and have mentioned many products that I firmly believe to be excellent products, however this is long before you arrived. I believe in being honest, I always am, and that is what makes me good at sales, I still believe Bosch makes the best full bodied cams in the world price per value, and I would have had that view even if I worked for Ganz or someone else. I dont work for GE or DM, yet I rave about these products, nor do I work for Panasonic or Pelco or Baxhaul or Sony or Axis, however I rave about them as well. I validate your point but if I know mostly Bosch product then this is what I feel safe in recommending to people as I know the technology, I also used to Distribute Ganz and Geovision so I feel safe in voicing my opinion on these products as well and I have tried most products in the market so I feel it is important to impart my knowledge, no matter whom I work for. My point is you do not know the history between Rory and I , we always used to argue about PC VS Standalone and this sparked some sort of trigger in Rory to always say the opposite of what I say, and as we are the two biggest posters in here, it has developed into a bit of an annoyance, It"s funny that bosch mainly sells standalones and yet my views haven't changed. Enthusiasm can sometimes be misconstrued as SALES, but I do validate your points and therefore I think I will remove myself from this forum. It is clear that you would prefer Manufactorers reps to stay in the background and only voice their views when needed and I can respect that, however please keep in mind that I have not always been a Manufactorers rep and I was here when this site first started with 5 or so members so I guess my situation of input was different to most Reps. I agree that it is dangerous to even be a rep and be in this forum and as you say, the competition watches this forum, so I am better to stay out of it. I have never been a very modest person, if I have an opinion I am always going to voice it, as for constructive critisism, i am not sure about that, i think i handle that well, I am leaving now, and respect your input..I do not think i can be any more aware of critisism and reacting to it than that. This forum has been excelent and after 1710 posts it might be time to go, I congratulate Larry on his achievement but warn Metz that these sites are expensive to set up and run, eventually it will get commercialised, that is inevitable. A forum should be just that.. a forum ..an open place to speak you mind, whether your passive or aggressive ..a salesperson or a tech head a forum should be a place where you have freedom of speech in my opinion and if manufactorers reps get involved then all good to them, infact I would think it would be positive to have them onboard and to learn from their expertise. I havent made my mind up to leave yet but I think that I probably will, so thanks for showing me the light. To hermy and Thomas and all the Gang, thanks for your advice, your patience and your friendship.

Point taken Metz, might be time to leave the forum anyhow me thinks

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I can't believe I missed it, anyone take any screen shots?

yes yes we all know i sell bosch..just thought I might point you towards the newer Bosch IP stuff, XF Ip cams are due early next year.. http://www.boschsecurity.com/ipnetworkvideo/en/start/index.htm

Crap Rory, most of the major airports in the world now use encoded wireless networking for CCTV. The heat in WA and the Humidity is going to be your worst enemy on this job, most cameras will not handle high heat, the best I have seen is the bosch..operating at +50 Degrees C, if you put this in a housing and keep it cool it may well help, some camera housings are like a heatsink, so make sure your cam has this kind of housing and not a plastic. ikegami are good cameras, so are panasonic and also Bosch, tht emain thing your going to need to worry about is warranty, so check this out I know Bosch is 3 years cant say about the others. Your webserving device is going to cook, webservers run hotter than any other external CCTV device, you are going to have to try to get one that can fit ina housing ...both DVTell and Bosch have these but your going to be generating a lot of heat. Cisco gear is the bomb!!! I always quote it on bigger jobs, sure it's expensive but on a project you want expensive reliable gear, their support really sucks, so make sure the guy who quotes you (whom was that by the way..PM me) knows the Cisco Gear very well. DV Tell is not as good as the Bosch VCS in my books, they only do one encoding of MPEG4 and from what i heard Bosch sells them the compression technology anyhow, VCS is also cheaper than DV Tell and you can then use a Hybrid DVR, the beenefit is then you dont have to have the matrix software, you will get 3yr warranty on the Hybrid DVR and if you want to hardwire the cams later then you can also do that. I like dell computers but why not buy all the gear from one place with the same warranty? As for setup on the network, it would be good to have a seperate network for the video but it is not crucial, it can exist on its own network or it can share your data network, you just need to calculate bandwidth! PM me if you need assistance!

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Actually surprised to see you guys take the mickey outa that guy...dude if you want to check up on your wife, then the simplest thing to get is a very cheap standalone device, you can buy pinhole cameras from almost any spyshop in the world, do a search for "spy" and "cameras" in google and you will get tuns of results. The thing is spy cams are small, they also are cheap and they are crapola under low light, my suggestion is put in a fake alram system or even a real one, use PIR cams and feed it to the cieling with a strandalone, make sure you have it connected to your internet and watch it remotely. Guys are right though, sometimes it's better not to know, but I was in the military for many years and I know what soldiers do with soldiers wives.

As for what Rory has said, I agree there are some non name brands that are almost as good as big names, but when Bosch lowered prices in theri cam range, it was either sink or swim...me ...I decided to jump ship instead, there is no comparison to the XF camera range and at the prices that we currently offer it is an easy market. I think everyone romotes what they sell...yes I am the worst culprit..but it's not just about selling it is more to do with what excites you..I love my job i love good product and quite often my enthusiam can be taken as a sales pitch.

The cover is a monocle, if you focus a dome especially a Vandal, you usually do it with the cover off, therefore replacing the cover after focus is akin to a CS mount camera focussed before being put in a housing. Your changing the wavelength of light, so you put the monocle on the lens while cover is off and then focus and then replace cover, should stay in perfect focus. You may also want to invest in the XT cable, it plugs into the dome so that you can use a service monitor to do the focus and then leave the cables attached through your ceiling.

You probably have DHCP enabled on either the DVR or the PC, disable this put 255.255.255.0 as Subnet on both... leave gateway Blank... Put DVR on 192.168.0.254 and your PC on 192.168.0.3 and Ping the device, turn off windows firewall if your using latest XP and any virus proggies and it all should behave fine. As for the fan noise, I dont recommend doing this, but simply add a resistor and a dial and you if the fan supports it, it will spin slower and make less noise... on all the old PC DVR's I used to build I had a really cool fan controller..it even glowed.. it fits in IDE Bay and also tells temps and HDD speeds, was great when you could adjust noise down for winter and also great when your turning aircon off at night and want to keep temps down... gets pretty hot here in the land of OZ, thank god for beer, and bikini's. not wearing those of course...looking at em

This is the downfall of poorly designed software, the softare will use all the CPU you give it, the fact is that you are using software compression, this requires a lot of CPU, you could throttel your CPU usage but really the benefits will be small. Buy a DVR with hardware compression and you will not have this problem...not trying to sell it but the Bosch Dibos can do 1250 FPS as well as webcast, back up and Burn without even twitching the CPU usage, the reason is Hardware compression. Most cards these days are better and software is better so buying a better brand will help

The Dibos 8 Pro has now been released!!

Thats a good tip above you can always enter 127.0.0.1 to test it on the dvr itself, whenever I used to do a demo or a presentation it means you can show the network options with only one computer.

I would also make sure that if you are using a PC based recorder and the video source is selectable that you ar using the correct one, as PAL in NTSC looks terrible and can give that result but usually with a B/W Image in the backgorud, sounds a lot like an earth loop but hard to say without seeing the video file.

Ok will havea look, want to find a good standard varifocal with nothing fancy.. what model would that be?

I agree, however dealers use "what brand are his goods.. really... no branding...ask him what brand?" and "would you rather buy a Bosch cam or a wiz kid cam?" It's like everything, Nike's shirts may not be better than Kmart but they demand a higher pricing, I do feel the name brands are indeed better and they do sell better and althoughg not as much in your area, i can vouch that saying 3yr warranty and a brand name really helps.

Dude... not sure if you posted the right link, that machine not only has a SPOT output (a composite output that you could plug into a VCR) but also says it has USB, so probably has thumbstick ability for backup, there also is remote networking so i amagine you could back up from there as well. I agree DVD is a waste of time in most cases, excepting if no other PC is on site, easier to use a thumbstick than a CD.

Disagree with the above statement, perhaps in your world, but branding is starting to become big here

Rory, what are the extreme models for the dome cams, we have a huge catalogue, which ones are best