cool thanks for the info ,but still looking for maybe someone that might have either of these units or know about them that's why I put up the model number ..again any info is great. I don't need a bunch of info just some general misc. would be great. also thanks for the reply I am on many fourms ,truck,boat,travel,and so on any this forum is pretty bad when it comes to reply's , the point is for people to reply not just sit in the background and read post. I think I have like 50/60 looks at this post and only one reply...so thanks for anyone that puts forward the effort to actually help out.