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  1. Posted

    Drocer,

    There seems to be misunderstanding.

    If you have decoded video data of 64 Channels of 1080P from 64 channels of main-bitstream (compressed), you can not display all of them on a single monitor. You have to scale down those decoded video into a smaller size to fit into 4X4, or 3X3, whatever configurations, or the number of displaying monitor. That's why I used "scale down". I understand that zooming up might be needed if decoded from sub-stream compressed files.

     

    Ignore the extra monitors. You can get an i7 and one consumer nvidia card to playback 64 1080p completely untouched, original streams? You have to be using something to dump extra information to display that amount of megapixels during that scale down. That's four 8K video streams of information being played back! Now with professional cards or SLI/dual SLI you can push things but not consumer cards.

  2. Posted

    drocer:

    Would a IEEE802.3af device power up & accept higher wattage than the spec of 15.4watts or 12.9watts at PD?

     

    I'm trying a 12vdc power supply direct & all's good so far at max res.

     

    If a 802.3af device needs more power than the spec (12.95W at PD), it's a 802.3at / PoE+ device that was not labeled correctly. That PTZ camera you have is rated by dahua as a 15W PD 802.3af; that's mislabled to me as the spec can't deliver that. I'm sure you've asked why did it work so long without issue? Chinese switch running a chinese camera operating at the end of it's designed spec; IR lights from your other cameras kicking on at night likely caused the switch to prioritize the ports in numeric order.

     

    Running a separate DC power supply or injector will fix your problems. A more elegant solution would be a 802.at/PoE+ switch. Either way works.

  3. Posted

    AK357,

    Absolutely not. One nVidia graphic card can drive one, two,three, and up to four monitors. But decoding 64Ch X HD1080P X 30FPS in real time will be done on a single PC.

    If an nVidia card can drive 4 monitors, then each monitor can be set to display 16 Channels (4X4), or whatever display configurations that you like to see. Each video is to be decoded from its own HD 1080P compressed stream, not from its sub-stream. And they are to be scaled down to compose multi channel display on each monitor. You can move around Main display to any monitors of interested, on the fly. For more info, you can mail me. We should respect this should not be flooded with ad. But I think I have to correct any misleads or wrong concepts.

     

    Scaled down. That's not what we were talking about here at all. We were talking about just "zooming out" but still at 1080p. You're dumping information to accomplish what you are doing. You might not feel like it but that's the only way to accomplish what you are doing. I'm not downplaying your work, just the way you're selling it.

  4. Posted

    Off the top of my head, it's usually either motion or continuous record. The timeline will show continuous recording, manual recording, alarm recording, trigger recording, or timed recording; it's usually not both. While doing continuous recording, it only shows the motion trigger being activated in the live view but nowhere else. AFAIK, that sounds like an extra $$$ feature.

     

    I think Axxon Next will do what you want for free. Takes a few seconds to turn it from "operator manned CCTV" to NVR mode but I know that it flags motion. Once flagged you can leave it as is, or type in what the event was i.e. "suspicious white van" for searching later. If you pay, you can skip the flagging and axxon with search past recordings for a defined area/motion/color/etc and display only that.

     

    Your best bet is to just sit down and try them.

  5. Posted

    This limitation is due to power drop along the cable.

     

    With a short cable or a larger gauge wire, you'll get more power at the device for a given current. This is a good reason to use cat6, even though few cams run over 100Mbps, since the wire gauge is slightly larger.

     

    Presumably, this minimum power delivery rating is based on maximum spec cable length and minimum spec wire gauge.

     

    Or take 10 seconds to learn about PoE and don't waste money on cat6. You can't power a class 4 device with a class 3 PSE.

  7. Posted

    Cliff,

    You are correct Nobody can. But ubiqmicro can decode 64 Ch X1080P X30 FPS in real time including de-blocking filter on a high end i7 CPU and nVidia card. I mean it. Are you coming to ISC-West?

     

    i7 CPU + nvidia card + extra decoding hardware. No one is saying it isn't possible without extra hardware. Even the fastest nvidia card can't do that much at full resolution. There's some tricks to get that to work.

     

    http://www.ubiqmicro.com/

     

    HD (1080P X 30 FPS) x 64 Ch Software Decoder (On Market)

     

    64 1080p30fps video at once, at full HD resolution, and doing it with software? Not happening.

  8. Posted

    Who ever started this "full 15.4W port" thing needs to stop saying it. It's not even correct:

     

    15.4W PSE only gives 12.95W PD.

     

     

    You need a switch that does PoE max (802.3at) for that one camera. e.g. ZyXEL GS1100-8HP

     

    That LTS 30W injector should work. FYI, the MAX you will get at the end is 25.5W.

  10. Posted

    I even think that i7-3770 is overkill for PCNVR.

     

    Sure, if all it's doing is recording...

     

    however if it's transcoding or anything more complex than shoving the footage to disk all bets are off.

     

    Synchronized HD playback is killer on CPU's.

     

    Decoding 16 Ch X1080P X 30PS in real time on your i7 model and displaying them for a live pre-view could be OK, as I heard...

     

    Not a chance in hell will that work. All 16 cams playing back at once? Maybe with 2-4 discrete GPU's added in.

  11. Posted

    really funny..

    Today I connected more 3 cameras to my largest system - now there are 18 3Mpix cams streaming FullHD and everything works very well. I even think that i7-3770 is overkill for PCNVR.

     

    But about my trouble..

    I tried to install different versions of PCNVR, nothing changed.

     

    today I tried switch to 3x3 view in my working system - everything works well. And 2x2, 4x4, 5x5 too. Then I inadvertently made some captures in different views and.. woilaa.. in 2x2 view - captures are 1920x1080, in 3x3 - 4CIF 704x576 SubStream.

    Then I did the same in my not working system - in 3x3 view captures was FHD.. like drocer said. But in 4x4 view procesor usage is acceptable because showing substreams.

    There are different monitors - the working system - 1280x1024, but not working - 1920x1080.

    So i dont know why in 3x3 view PCNVR doesnt show all SubStreams. Theoretically 1920/3=640 so there's no reason for showing main stream.

    And don't say Hiks didn't know that.

     

    If you find a fix for that please post. I just forced all cameras to substream for the live view; 2.1/3MP for recording.

     

    iVMS-4200 PCNVR auto switch bug

    iVMS-4200 2.0 auto switch works.

     

    How do we submit bug reports?

  13. Posted

    I wouldn't call exacq lightweight at all--at least the client.

     

    i7-3770

    15-20% live view of main OR substreams. Tried both windows and linux. I can forgive it if it was the 3MP 30fps main stream, but just the mjpeg 12fps substream? That is terrible.

     

    Hikvision camera support was terrible. ONVIF driver = zero advanced config. Hikvision driver = event errors and it takes 5-10min to successful connect to cameras. That is terrible for the OP.

     

    _________

     

    Laptops and their compents aren't duty tested for 24/7 running, especially the low end.

     

    Not sure what was up with your setup, I just opened up 4 3mp cameras on my two year old i5 laptop. Along with 5 other programs open on my dual monitor setup and my CPU only sat at bout 10%, random drops to 1%, spikes to 17%. That is super lightweight, when I'm looking at 18 3mp cameras at once on an i3, while its recording many of those streams, and I'm only at 30% on a i3 I'm super pleased. Same cameras on other software will max out an i7!

     

    I do not use laptops as a default, just saying I've used a couple of them successfully with no problems so far, two years non stop and counting!

     

    No clue why it didn't work. Tried every setting. Hardware motion record was working fine. Exacq client was just too heavy given the price. There shouldn't be some hidden hack/setting/etc to get it lower. So YMMV.

  15. Posted

    Exacq Vision Start Added:

    i7-3770

    4GB

     

    1. Axxon Next - full record with client open
      8 cameras - 1080p@30fps 1-6%
      FREE = 16 cameras, 1TB storage, 1 server.
       
    2. iVMS-PCNVR - full record
      8 cameras - 1080p@30fps 3-10%
      FREE = everything
       
    3. Xprotect Go - full record with client open
      8 cameras - 1080p@30fps 8-15%
      FREE = 8 camera, 5 day record, 1 server, annual renewal of free license
       
    4. Blue Iris - full record
      8 cameras - 1080p@30fps 45-55%
      $50 unlimited everything. High CPU usage due to software motion recoding only. Does not support in camera hardware motion recording.

     

    Honorable mention: Gsurf Pro. Worked with hikvision and hardware motion control but difficulty in using motion regions vs entire frame motion. Also noticeable lag to reconnect to cameras when switching from playback to live view.

    8 cameras - 1080p@30fps 10-15%

    FREE

     

    Not worth it: Exacq Vision Start - full record with client open Exacq Vision is pretty terrible for paid software. Windows and linux versions gave the same result. Hikvision driver took 5-10minutes to randomly connect all eight cameras. ONVIF driver had no advanced settings. I'd rather use Gsurf Pro.

    8 cameras - 1080p@30fps or substream@12fps 15-20%

    PAID everything

  16. Posted

    I use Exacq, for a basic 4 camera system it would cost $200. In my eyes it's worth it as I can use such an inexpensive computer to as my NVR.

     

    The cameras vary, all are at a minimum of 8fps, none higher than 15 at this location. All cameras record at max resolution, day to day they usually rotate 4 cameras at a time on a monitor running 1920x1080, but you can display them all at once no problem.

     

    In this thread not long ago I shared a couple of screenshots of different configurations in hardware and cameras. Towards the end of the first page, and on the next page specifically. I normally do not display all cameras as with as many as I have the views are very small. Some sites do not run the client at all, so they sit and basically idle all the time. I have a couple NVRs that are i3 laptops recoding to an external drive though. No issues so far and am well over a year, and they are in a unheated and uncooled area! Surprised even me lol. I did it to test if it was a viable solution, and it sure is. Makes for a nice compact setup, screen and all. $349 laptop connected to a $150 2tb drive. $500. That's hard to beat, and I have screen, keyboard, mouse, everything needed other than a POE switch, Exacq software license, and cameras! I might swap out the normal internal HD for an SSD if I do this in the future, seeing as that would only add $100 or so.

     

    viewtopic.php?f=19&t=39346&hilit=razer_se&start=15

     

    I wouldn't call exacq lightweight at all--at least the client.

     

    i7-3770

    15-20% live view of main OR substreams. Tried both windows and linux. I can forgive it if it was the 3MP 30fps main stream, but just the mjpeg 12fps substream? That is terrible.

     

    Hikvision camera support was terrible. ONVIF driver = zero advanced config. Hikvision driver = event errors and it takes 5-10min to successful connect to cameras. That is terrible for the OP.

     

    _________

     

    Laptops and their compents aren't duty tested for 24/7 running, especially the low end.

  17. Posted

    Thanks again Buellwinkle, very much, for all the help. Here is what I ended up with

    Wrightwood Surviellance and to Buellwinkle for the very kind help.

     

    If anyone knows how to add an extra SATA cable and power so I don't take up one of the four the T20 came with, please tell me. I currently only have one open port. Also any tips on setting up and configuring the XProtect software would be very much appreciated.

     

    Try contacting the people who sold you the products. They need to provide the support.

  19. Posted

    Thanks I will have a read through

     

    Operating temps shouldn't be a problem as the attic is a concerted bedroom this will be inside essentially

     

    Do the moment as a test on a spare old pc I had lying around I installed the hik ivms4200nvr software and added the two cams set motion record and hard drive up and it's hitting 100% CPU on 15fps

     

    This rig is old and uses a and Athlon 64 x2 3ghz CPU with 65w

    The memory is fine like at around 10-15% of 4gb

     

    Memory isn't an issue. 4GB is enough for <10 cameras.

     

    There does seem to be a bug in iVMS-4200 PCNVR. Instead of auto switching from main stream and substream, it will constantly stay at full resolution once you enlarge it once. Disable auto switching on live view and force substreams. CPU processing should drop noticably. Recordings will still be a full resolution.

     

    You can even test it out with regular IVM-4200 (client and storage server are modular vs bundled like in PCNVR). Auto switching works fine in that.

  20. Posted

    You can read my thoughts using an i7-3770:

    viewtopic.php?f=19&t=39387

     

    As long as you don't use software motion record, these is no real demand on CPU's. Hikvisions do hardware motion record.

     

    Power usage, I found NAS and PC's use the same. ARM dedicated units do use less power but kill expandability. See post above for power consumption.

     

    Check operating temps for the switch before putting in attic. Also may sure the power budget is enough for the cameras.

  21. Posted

    Buellwinkle from the forum has been a HUGE help via email, and I also thank those that have helped here, it is all very much appreciated.

     

    I am leaning towards xGuard Essential for my VMS. However, I would really like some suggestions that are GOOD and free/cheaper and work with OSX or at least allow remote viewing through OSX, and hopefully some level of management.

    ...

    I have purchased a Dell T20 Xeon Server and Windows Home Server 2011 as my computer.

     

    OSX support is not going to happen. You'll get some kind of tablet/client/hacked together solution but not a 100% OSX one. If you really want OSX, get a NAS + camera licenses.

     

    ...and you bought the Xeon. That's still going to bog down if you view or playback all cameras at the same time. Unless you're running ftp/web/AD/etc also, home server is a waste IMHO.

    What's an NAS?

    I did buy the Xeon t20 server and will be using home server 2011. Won't xguard reduce camera resolution when playing back all channels at same time since it wouldn't be necessary to have full resolution when the size of picture will be much smaller? Ten if I want full resolution I click on a camera channel and the others go away and then I have full resolution???

    Just trying to see how it all works. I am coming from a total POS a paid a lot for and have to totally replace.

     

    http://www.synology.com/en-us/

     

    I assume you mean Xprotect.

     

    "Live view" - shows substreams. Double clicking/enlarging will get you the full resolution. Doing it again, will drop back to substream. Little to no CPU used for substream viewing.

     

    Playback - plays what is recorded. If you didn't record the substream also, it only has the full resolution to use. Playing back 10 2.1/3MP resolution videos at once is going to kill just about any x86 CPU--the xeon included. That's like trying to playback 10 bluray movies at once. The xeon might do 1 more than an i7 but it won't be all 10 at the same time.

     

    Even syncronized playback is hit or miss for me i.e. video starts when motion is triggered. 1-5 cameras going was fine, but if all tripped the machine would begin to stutter. Syncronized playback was a great idea but became worthless in practice as I could only playback 1-4 cameras at a time only.

  22. Posted

    Power consumption of i7-3770 NVR.

     

    Was worried about how much power this i7 would be eating running 24/7. I assumed it would be pushing 60-80W constantly given reviews of idle power consumption. Plugged in a killawatt device:

     

    Idle-- 26W

    8 3MP cameras recording in background-- 38W

    Client / Live view open-- 42W

     

    It does shoot up to 40-60W in the client when doing playback, but drops back when done. I was going to go crazy cutting power doing additional things but may not even have to. This is as low as a "low powered" NAS. IIRC, regular ARM NVR devices use 15W; I'm pretty sure I could come closer to that by:

     

    Killing hyperthreading or two cores

    Unplugging DVD drive.

    Low powered HDD. (going to do this-saves 2W more)

     

    Total system draw with 8 camera's + PCNVR = 78-98W (IR for night)

    Total system draw with 8 camera's + ARM based NVR = 55-71W (IR for night)

     

    23-27W delta.

    Depending on power rates that's $15-20 extra a year to use a PC over an ARM device. Considering I'm not locked into one camera manufacturer or software and can expand, I think it's worth it.

  24. Posted

    Buellwinkle from the forum has been a HUGE help via email, and I also thank those that have helped here, it is all very much appreciated.

     

    I am leaning towards xGuard Essential for my VMS. However, I would really like some suggestions that are GOOD and free/cheaper and work with OSX or at least allow remote viewing through OSX, and hopefully some level of management.

    ...

    I have purchased a Dell T20 Xeon Server and Windows Home Server 2011 as my computer.

     

    OSX support is not going to happen. You'll get some kind of tablet/client/hacked together solution but not a 100% OSX one. If you really want OSX, get a NAS + camera licenses.

     

    ...and you bought the Xeon. That's still going to bog down if you view or playback all cameras at the same time. Unless you're running ftp/web/AD/etc also, home server is a waste IMHO.

  25. Posted

    The problem with 10 PoE port switch is that I've gone through this, I wanted a 16 port PoE switch with 16 actual PoE ports and I'm beginning to think it's a unicorn. I can get several switches with 8 PoE ports, and I can get several with 24 PoE ports, but where's the in-between. Maybe I missed something so let me know if you find it. You can get two 8 PoE port switches with gigabit uplinks and feed them into a Gigabit switch which is what I do, but works out as I have one at the back of the house, one in front so I save on wiring effort.

     

    Make sure that with that many cameras, the switch is either Gigabit or has a Gigabit uplink port.

     

    I take it you mean 16 port gigabit or gigabit uplink switch. You would have to use one port as uplink:

     

    http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=195_TPE-1620WS#tabs-solution02

     

    185/15=12.3W

     

    Plenty to power 5W bullets.

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