scorpion

I am glad the diodes worked well! I am still curious to the setup that you are doing! What kind of DVRs are you using? (and the above posted questions) Thanks!

I have never heard of a car that ran on meth! Interesting!

I would make a circuit that would out put two low (0) signal. This circuit could be powered only during an event. It would take the incoming lowsignal, latch it, and dual output circuits would latch low providing two low signals that are isolated, and it does not drain off of the battery. The event trigger can reset the circuit as it is being energized. 74 series IC can accomodate your circuit. I wonder if CMOS ICs can be used for low drain. I do not know if you can make it static proof though. What kind of battery are you using? I assume you are using low current as you have not fried any reed relays. What kind set up is this? Are the two DVRs located in a weatherproof housing? _________________________________________________ Using a relay can be done by triggering it with a not circuit. The relay would only be energized at the time of the event. _________________________________________________ What kind of DVRs are you using? How long are they deployed? Scorpion

What happens when the PIR gives you an open. What do the two devices do? You said only one unit activates? I was wondering if one multi channel 12 VDC recorder would consume less power than two recorders on the same battery? Where are these recorders mounted? In a vehicles? Is this a stealth system?

I am not sure what the 104 stands for. IR Cam: I would assume this is a camera with builtin IR LEDs so that you can see in the dark. Infrared Illuminator: This is the LED only. No camera! Do you have a better description of the Camera, and of the IR Illuminator? The title to your thread say Illuminator Cam. This is a camera with LEDs for seeing in the dark as well.

Women must always be asking for $25 in change! You lucky devil!

LOL! I saw the XXX before, but I was trying to make a sentence out of the rest!! I missed the tree for the forest! That interesting! Will your own firewall block your self? If you have XXX in the restricted zone will that block?

I have a question about meth labs! I believe that meth labs are supposed to be highly flamable! Is it safe to take a chain saw, and cut into a roof possibly hitting shingle staples, or nails, causing a spark? http://floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070824/VIDEO/70824055 Brave souls is all I have to say!

That would be a great idea!!!!! This would save you from having to open the front door to find out if the tornado has blown by yet!! I believe there is a market!

Did I blink? I think I missed it! What was it again?

There is a 4 channel card that will work with AW. I would highly suggest the GEO card instead though! Rory hit it on the head with his post! Scorpion

The two device that are being controlled, do they activate what they are supposed to do with an open to the input? Alarm panel are ok with the closed circuit. When they detect an open circuit from the pir this sets off an alarm! What two devices are you triggering? Can you use a relay to retrigger your devices? what voltage do they use?

I would have said this, but since you had tried it I thought that failed. This is great! Now you can make your own custom controller. I wonder what it would take to convert to Pelco D, or some kind of up the coax controller? ???

SureVeillance has hit this one right on the head!!

I have use the style that is between the RJ45 connectors.

What is the distance from point to point? License free freqs are 2.4, and 5.8. I would avoid the 2.4 as this is on the same freq with 802.11X. You may interfere with your wireless computers, or they will interfere with your cameras. If wireless 802.11X is not a problem then feel free to use this freq. Anticipate someone else setting up a wireless system later on that may interfere with you. There are cheap cameras with built in transmitters (xmtrs). These will be rated at something like 300 feet line of sight. You will not get 300 feet line of sight so expect shorter distances. These work as they say. Line of sight. If the antennas cannot see each other than you will have to move the rcvr, and the xmtr closer together. This will be the case where the rcvr is in side of a building, and the xmtr is outside. You will have to test this in your environment to see if they work. Do do this professionally you will have to spend about $1000 per camera for each wireless system (rcvr/xmtr). You will want to use antennas that are pointed from the rcvr to the antenna at the xmtr. Do not buy kits from say like matco where you have to provide your own heatsink, case, and mounting equipment. Spend the money, and buy premade everything. If you buy high wattage xmtr/rcvr packages beware that some run very, very hot!!!!! You will need enclosures that have good air flow. you will need to add extra heat sinks to cool them better. You will need to use fans to push/pull the air. They have brass airfilters that are great for outdoor enclosures. You may want to PM Cachecreekcctv http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1543 He is a pro at building outdoor nema 4 enclosures with DVRs, and cooling systems. __________________________________________________________ I would use wire overhead to get to where I need to go. You can put up your own 4X4 post, and you can screw in eye bolts. You can connect the wire from pole to pole. Do not use the wire by itself. It will need to be attached to a lead wire. The lead wire absorbs the punishment, and your wire is just attached to hit for support. Look at how cable tv is supported overhead. They use eye bolts on the pole, and on the house. This as an attached wire. You will not want to use this as it is aluminum shielded. You want copper shield!!!!! _____________________________________________________ Is this your property? Is this because you cannot get permission to cut the concrete to create a channel to lay conduit? Can you trench? I wish you luck! Scorpion

The guy that provided you the camera should be able to provide the controller. The controller should not cost very much. If he can provide it, I would use that. I assume he cannot provide one hence your post here. I have no advice unfortunatly. You can try a voltage say 5 volts. If the voltage goes up it may move the zoom forward (or backward). If the voltage goes down then the zoom may move backward (or forward). Since you have already tried that, then I suggest opening the camera, and tracing the wires, and duplicating from there. ______________________________________________________ Have you tried a zoom controller from one of your 220X zoom cameras? Scorpion

Active Cam is a DIY software, and as a professional installer it is outside my realm of knowledge. If the 4 channel card says that it works with your active cam then I think your question has been answered. I also can sell you a 4 channel card that can work with your Active Cam. You said that you did not like the choppy video. You are going to get choppy video with active cam no matter what you hook up to it. Now this is a problem for you to resolve. You want to use a $30 (standard), or $89 (Pro Version) software, but you do not want choppy video? You will have to change something on either side of this equation. You will have to spend more money on your software, or you will have to put up with choppy video. I would suggest that you use the card that you were looking at, or buy one from one of the vendors that advertises here on the forum. I have not advertised on the forum, so you may not want to trust me in making a purchase. You will have to ask around on the forum to find out if I am a reputable dealer, or not. Buyer Beware is the motto. I have a question for you. Is your program (Active Cam) promoted by Pysoft? What version of Active Cam are you running? (2.1)? What level of Active Cam are you running? How much are you willing to spend on a 4 channel card? Scorpion PS oicu812 LOL!

I have been on service calls (new client) where they have used prefab video/power cables outdoors. One had it ran from a building to a 4X4 pole with a camera, and a pan/tilt motor. It worked fine on the pole. The ones outdoors were through concrete block then ran to the front under the eave, and the others would go to a carport. These worked fine from what I saw. I think there are more problems with the bnc to rca adapters then with the wire itself. Would I recommend running prefab? No! Have I been guilty of it in the past? Yes! I would recommend the RG 59 for outdoor runs! In your case the the prefab wire should be fine as you are only doing it for temporary setup. I back Rory up 100% about seperating the 120 VAC, (or what ever your power company uses). 1. Interference issues! 2. In case of somekind of minor disaster, and both wires are punctured, and the high voltage travels to your DVR, and blows out the DVR. I say hell with the camera, you can always buy a new one, but DVRs? They are expensive, and I would not want to have to buy another one. If you have to run both sets of wires next to each other, and you have no other alternative, then run the camera wires in some conduit. Metal prefered to help with interference problems.

Maybe next time I buy a one way ticket, pay cash, and go next day, and see how it goes!

That must be a real pain in the neck, but three feet lower!

I would have to be on site to figure it out. What kind of wire is used for power, and what kind of wire is used for video? How far is the run? It appears that the run is to long, or the cable is the wrong kind. It may be a bad bnc to rca adapter if you are using those. You may try recrimping some new bnc to your rg 59 or rg 6. It sound like the horizontal is pulling slightly in the video. Can you take a monitor out to the camera to see if you are getting this video at the camera?

3.6mm will give you a wide angle view. This would be good for watching a two car driveway with two cars. 6mm This would be good for pointing at your front door. You do not get the distortion that a wide angle camera will give you. An object that is 20 feet from your wide angle camera will look farther away in the video then in reality. This camera is designed to watch a wide view. 8mm would be great to watch you mailbox if it were on the side of the road. You will not see much of your yard, but you will be closer to the mail box to see who is messing with it. I am just generalizing, so please do not hold me to this. I am only using this to give you a perspective of what these lens will do. A 50 mm will let you see the squirrel across the street, and you will know if it is a boy, or a girl squirrel! ____________________________________________________ 200 feet?? What are you watching at 200 feet? You will not be able to put a camera at one end of your storage facility, and watch every bay all the way down. I lied. You can put the camera farther back, and use a super zoom lens. This will compress all of the bay doors on top of each other. This is kind of like the movies. You have seen the spy movie, or the police movie where there is a person standing next to a column, and there is another person standing at the next column. They apear almost back to back of each other. When the camera angle changes, and you see the front of the building (such as a court house) you see that the columns are very far apart, and the two people are far apart. Going back to the other angle you can see how all of the columns have been "compressed". You would be better off using several cameras to watch the self storage area. If money is no object then you can use a megapixal camera to watch all of the bay doors. I would tell you to avoid wireless cameras. They will say 300 feet line of sight. If the receiver is on the inside such as in an office then you will lose some of the video coming through the wall. You will have to bring the cameras closer than 300 feet. You will have to test them on site to see how far you can go. If you are willing to spend $1000 per camera for wireless than you have a real good chance of having a good working system! You will need to use external antennas, and point them back at the office. Make sure that you buy at least one expensive camera! This will be to get the license plate of every vehicle that drive out off the property. Use good cameras, and you can use cheap cameras to fill in other areas that are not so important. I would recommend that you buy very expensive cameras, but if you have to buy on the cheap then try something like this.. http://avssys.net/?s=product&sub=camera&cat=ir&p=vnd49ir I am not saying to use this camera, but look how it has a variable lens. 4 to 9 mm. You cannot bump it to another direction like you can a bullet camera. It is impact resistant. Who cares where it is pointed? Put a camera where your trash is kept. You never know when a non tenant uses your dumpster to put their trash in it. Do you park trailers, or boats, or campers? You will need some cameras in this area as well. If you have a electric gate, you can save some money by using a camera that has 200 feet of IR throw, and it should have a 5 to 50 mm lens. You can adjust this to get the view of your gate. It is nice to find out what vehicle has hit your gate! If you have any questions post them here on this thread. Scorpion I hope this helps!

The professional answer is NO! The DIY (do it yourself) answer is YES! ARE you good with wire cutters, and a soldering iron? They may have them, but I am not familiar with any DIN to BNC breakout cable. This Lorex set is designed for a quick plug, and play set up. This is not designed for a professional installation. I would recommend that you sell this device to someone, and then purchase some regular cameras. This will allow you to hook up a DVR card. You may have some other cost that you may not have figured on. You may have to buy a larger hard drive, and you may have to add some more memory to your computer. Some of the entry level cards called 30 FPS will give you 7.5 FPS on each camera channel. A 120 FPS card will give you 30 FPS per channel. The card that give you 120 FPS, and you are using very high resolution for recording may not work well with your motherboard. Great another purchase! May as well build a custom computer for this card! Welcome to the professional installers world!! Miss one detail, and everything blows up in your face per se! You will have to cut you cables. You will need to figure which wires are for power, and which are for video. If you have audio then you will have even more wires to figure out. Resplice these wires back together so that we can find out what is what. Red, and Black wire may be you power to the cameras. This would be nice! Quick and Easy! Yellow, and Green may be your video, and the other colors may be you audio. Measure the red, and black wires. Does this give you the voltage of your power supply? I do not know if Lorex uses 12 volt DC, or 12 AC, or 24 volt AC. ?? If this gives you your power reading then this is solved. If you connect, and disconnect the yellow wire, does the video pop in, and out? If so then this may be your video wire. Disconnect the other wire, and reconnect it. Does the audio pop in, and out? Once you have everything figured out, then you can connect a BNC connector to your video wire on the output of your camera wire. You can use butt connectors for you power wires, and crimp them to the wires from your monitor which will give you the power output. You can put RCA connectors on your audio wires, and hook this up to your DVR card if it has an audio input connection. _________________________________________________ You are going to find this to be a pain in your neck, but about 3 feet lower from there. The wires are going to be real thin, and small, and difficult to work with!! When you are done you are going to have such a patched system that you may have video that pops in, and out, and the whole thing will look like junk. OK! I take that back! I forgot that you are an electronics whiz, and you soldered everything, and you use good connectors, and used zip ties to keep everything neat, and clean. If you have any questions post them here! Good luck! You are going to need it! Scorpion

I truely cannot say. Prices will differ in one area verses another area. I would say this would be very reasonable if this included cameras, wiring, power supply, installation, training, warranty on equipment, warranty on installation, and the company provided tech support. If this was the DVR by itself I would say it is on the high side. A commercial DVR product that is heavy duty with large heat sinks to pull the heat away, and having fast processors, and a five year warranty, and with the H.264 compression would easly be in this price range by itself. There is a very economical DVRs that has 9 channels. I install this particular DVR all of the time. It is reasonable, and it does have it's drawbacks. It does not recorded 30FPS per channel, but it is a great way to watch all 9 cameras in a multiscreen across the internet. I love this device, and I highly recommend it, and stand by it. There is a guy on this forum by the name of Scruit. You can PM him about this DVR. He is not to thrilled about this DVR so you can use his info to counter my info to make an informed decision. Here is a post. Scroll down and you can see Scruit's post, and if you scroll down more you can see some info that Daryl733 has posted to solve a problem with this DVR. http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=60995&highlight=#60995 I hope you enjoy that thread. If you have any questions you can post them here, or you can PM me. This is the device that I sell, that I am talking about. http://www.avtech.com.tw/english/product_13_776W.htm PM me and I can give you a price on this 9 channel DVR with a 320 GB hard drive, (9) 1/4" Color Sharp CCD IR Camera. Weatherproof outdoor with 4MM lens, and 12 IR LEDs. 30 Feet IR. A multi channel power supply, and premade cables. I can tell you how you can to install it yourself. There are many features with the Video Server S, or the Video Server E. If you have two individuals using remote view to watch the DVR, and you have internet phone you can activate, and talk to the other remote viewer through the Video Server S/E. If you have speakers hooked up to your remote computer you can have a siren sound off when some one triggers the DVR (such as motion detection). This is great if noone is supposed to be in your house, and you are staying in a hotel while you are on vacation. This will put the video clips on to your desk top of your computer with an incon. If they somehow find the DVR, and take it with them you will still have the video clips to give to the police! If you are watching your cameras over the internet, and something catches you eye you can click on a snap shot feature, or you can click on the record feature. The snap shot will put an icon on you computer's desk top, and then you can email, this "photo". The record function records from the first moment you click on it, and it records till the second time you click on it. Here are some articles that may be of interest about system testing, and troubleshooting.... http://www.cctvforum.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=42 Here is an article about bring up video on a TV with a composite input. This is a great way to save some money without having to buy an expensive monitor..... http://www.cctvforum.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=41 I hope you enjoy these articles. The other Dealers on this forum would be glad to hear from you! Scorpion