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is it POE?

Avigilion makes a nice camera but that camera is over $10,000 without the SLK lens I would be surprised if the Arecont camera was $2000 with the lens

Well, I can tell you, but then I may have to .... Watch what happens after this ASIS show being held in Southern California... many announcements in eliminating many products, adhereance to H.264 platform, reduction of pricing in many cases in the IP side of the solutions, etc... I will not mentioned names here nor will encourage any exposure for such an effort.. What I suggest is watch and observe and you will see the results sooner than later. Look at this from a different point of view - the angle which manufacturers have to think and lineup their positions... When such solution becomes available, what will happen to most? I am not suggesting that they all will leave the industry by no means, rather they have to now pick and choose very specific vertical markets that may not care to "save" money - that includes military, the government and other major companies. If we were to account the percentage of such group, it accounts to no more than 10% of the overall potential users in this market. I care for the rest of the 90% of the market users. Hey bud, it is your and everyone else's choice to join or stay with what you currently use. Nobody is or will be forcing their will on you or others. Rather an opportunity to give much more cost effective solutions to general public abroad accounting to 90% of the market and make money in volume of business without capitalizing on each deal with exorbitant prices available today. We and most of the open source community chooses not to follow that pack of selected few, rather open market, open source and solutions that are available to anyone who cares to use it. At the end you may choose not to use this solution and that is your own decision and there is nothing wrong with it. I will not try to persuade you or anyone else to follow this path. Just be open minded without any interference from anyone else and be your own judge and jury... If you feel this is not for you, then that is perfectly fine with us. Thats what we have PM's for

You are correct!!!!!

care to share?

If you only are selling cameras and software, then buddy there is a problem in your business practice.. Are you not selling other gadgets and accessories (too many to mention here)? When was the last time that you were able to charge for consulting, as most integrators do? Actually the self installs of this distribution did come up in our discussions and I think should be part of the entire process... if so then the industry will dictate and not what I (we) think. If self install does become a necessity, then I am sure that will be avail as well.. but that is not a choice for us to make, rather a dictation of the end users in our industry! Again, where do you (we all) make money - support, documentation, selling all the essentials required for the end user to be hooked on this concept, as has happened with Linux and BSD platform and all their free applications available today! The other choice of course is do nothing and wait on the sidelines and see what happens.. So what is the difference to the end user if they pay $500 per camera + $150 per license + Labor and a optional $25 upgrade fee + labor 100 Per camera and free software + Labor now (now more money to make up of the lost revenue) + manuals (more money) + documentation plus as you said a "support fee" sounds the same to me I am not taking this personal I am just trying to figure out how the end user benefits from this. Trust me I know there are penty of other NVR VMS providers out there and I don't agree with most of there pricing. I picked Exacq because I think they are fair unlike Milestone and Onssi.

No fee structure?... Really?.. OK.. fine... how do you then justify a proposal that includes cost per IP connection PLUS additional fees per year based per IP connection to provide "SUPPORT", "UPGRADES", 'PATCHES AND FIXES" to known problems.. or covering "TECHNICAL SUPPORT" in case there is a problem with the software... If you do not want to call them "Yearly Maintenance Fee" or "Yearly Support Fee", then what do you call it? My friend, I know Exacq product much more than you are giving me a credit for... I know few of the engineers and the sales people.. I am not against having anyone to make money in any way they want, but I have the right to disagree with their marketing of how they charge per IP connection or for support required passed the first year... This is not anything different than how American Dynamics handles the similar IP solution, or Bosch or Genetec or many others... so I am not singling out Exacq to be the only one, rather that Exacq is part of the pack that want to charge this way... I and many others have the choice to say no, as we do not want to pay per IP camera connection nor for any additional fees for any other type of support... Welcome to open source mentality! Exacq does not charge for support!!! Their $25 upgrade fee is that "an upgrade fee for new features" There are other company's that will not support you if you do not pay the "Yearly Maintenance Fee" or "Yearly Support Fee" but Exacq is not one of them!! So unless Exacq's Sales Manager and Rep is lying to me your statement is false

First off Iphones cost more then $300 and they can sell them for $300 because of the RMR generated by the contracts. Also I think they have sold more Iphones then every IP camera manufacture combined. Yes, good response.. here is my come back at you... Apple sold more Iphones is because the major drop in price, combined with more user friendly features and functions at no additional cost and then then demand has gone up (hmmm, now we are talking economics)... where is the demand based on the price of IP cameras today and could you tell me what will happen if such pricing of IP cameras drops to a reasonable level - like pricing of the analog cameras for an example? Are you comparing apples to oranges here or what? If you look back how Iphone started and how crappy it worked and higher costs at the beginning, then you can appreciate its reasonable price and the functionality more today. If you had a sub-$100 camera available, will you entertain your IP solutions that costs you more than $500 per unit? Which will be easier to introduce to your customers? How about if you were able to give them the "free" IP software application, but charge only for installation and support, will that work for you or will it hurt your business? So now I am making less on cameras and free software great.... Whats next do it your self installs

Here is one for you. So if the software is free then we as System Integrators make less money or are we supposed to add more labor to make up the difference (then what would be the point of free software?) Because I don't know about you but I am tired of making less and less money

No tax for me i'm in Pa and free shipping

APPLE uses ExacqVision for there NVR solution....... and they are running it on Linux boxes..... and Exacq works on MAC Cool... One point for Exacq.. doing something that most of everyone has not even thought doing yet... I have not seen this cut on MAC, but have seen and operated Exacq software and it is a very good one for sure... but not worth the price schedule.. sorry.... as none of our customers care to get tied down on not only for the cost per IP connection, but yearly "warranty" or "maintenance" costs... I can not justify this type of charging schedule nor it makes any sense for our customers... sorry bud.. ExacqVision does not have this fee structure.... please stop saying this because it is not true. They have an OPTIONAL up grade fee.... There is a big difference

First off Iphones cost more then $300 and they can sell them for $300 because of the RMR generated by the contracts. Also I think they have sold more Iphones then every IP camera manufacture combined.

APPLE uses ExacqVision for there NVR solution....... and they are running it on Linux boxes..... and Exacq works on MAC

The latest Axis firmware fixed this problem by supporting ftp folder creation. The folder names are very flexible, and can be based on features such as date and time in various formats. There still will be a problem of navigating through thousands of files. Your options could be - Creating a batch job to encode individual frames to AVI or FLV with ffmpeg - FTP directly to "Internet DVR" like ugolog.com or uguardu.com, both provide decent playback options for snapshots Alexander How do you get around bandwidth caps from ISPs?

Well you can look at the 2 conditions at the top of the post for image settings. I think those images look damn good for a $300 megapixel camera. Sounds like your met working setup. Try a different switch or plug the camera into your laptop. What are the lighting conditions where your camera is at? How old is your laptop? 95% of the time the default settings work perfect the only thing you have to change is the White Balance. Default the camera to factory and direct connect it to your laptop..... let me know what happens

$268.99 - $25 gift card < $295

I dont understand this logic - if a mid-level price for a PTZ is $1500, why not just go buy the $90 ebay PTZ's if anything less that $1500 is not up to par? Surely a $600 camera is better than a $90 camera? The reason I am asking is that I am looking for PTZ cameras and at first my budget was $500 per camera - after research it has now reluctantly gone up to $1000 per camera - are you now stating that even at $1500 per camera, the camera is just "OK". Very confusing Sure you could buy the Ebay cameras and replace them every other month if they even give you a quality image at 5 feet. People want to read license plates at 100M in the dark and want to spend $100 (expectations are unrealistic) .... It is possible but your gonna spend $5000 to do it. Please keep in mind most of the guys giving advice on this site are professional installers and we would never install a camera like this for are customers because of reliably issues. Quality security products are not cheep, you get what you pay for. I am not trying to rain on your parade I am just being realistic

Thanks, I can view the Geovision remotely via browser of live view. On port forwarding are there any other ports that I need to do the port forwarding on other than the ones used by Geo? thanks again I have never used Geovision so I can't answer that..... Some NVR software makes you forward ports for each camera some just one or two for the NVR software. chances are if you have it working with other cameras all you have to do is set it up in Geovision and you should be able to see it in the client.

working on it

Like I said I have installed many Acti 4201s and haven't had one issue like you have spoke about..... Hell I have installed many cameras from different manufactures and still haven't had this problem. Latency sounds like a networking issue..... and motion blur is a lighting issue.

The Axis Client software is used if you use Axis Camera Station to record your cameras. You do not need any client software to live view the cameras..... For remote access just port forward and type in your ip address in a web browser.

this has to stop

LOL...... The forum is full of funny questions and answers tonight

Isn't that ironic

then paint gun all the cameras and ... take out the main power source, generator, and throw in some higher voltage on the siren wire, man look where we going with this LOL. time to get a moat for my castle also. Gators