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Day/Nite means color when there is enough light and black and white when their isn't. I would recommend you go with low light black and white only cameras because in most bars there isn't enough light to which the camera to color. You will be able to get black and white cameras cheaper so you can put more of your budget toward better outside cameras and/or more storage. If you wanted to go IP. I would use video encoders and the same low light analog cameras for the inside and IP cameras for the outside. I would also recommend adding more lights outside instead of IP illuminators. You could use white LED illuminators to save on electricity.

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Sorry you said IP cameras not megapixel cameras. The problem with megapixel cameras is the larger the sensor the more light you need. I think your going to have a hard time finding a good low light megapixel camera with the current technology. I have the Arecont 3130 and I think the b/w image is a lot better then the color image. I was very surprised with the low light image quality.

Axis's 233d is .008 b/w 232d .005 b/w 214ptz .005 b/w I think the 214 has a really good low light image and the Arecont 3130 has a good night image but I don't have the specs handy.

Has anyone used there products? They have a PTZ housing with a small NVR built in to the housing. From what I read you can install whatever NVR software you want. I think could come in handy so has anyone used there products. http://estore.dotworkz.com/Dotworkz-D2-Xero-NVR-p/d2-cdx.htm

Can't wait to test this camera. Check out the feature list: Multiple H.264, Motion JPEG and MPEG-4 video streams PIR sensor and illumination LED Microphone and speaker Wireless connectivity You can record an audio clip in the camera when the PIR or video motion detection is triggered you can be played though the speaker in the camera. The speaker in the camera is loud and clear. You can easily understand the audio in a normal sized room. The LED is very bright and you can also have it triggered by the PIR to come on when the room is pitch black so you can record the images. I will test out the range of the LED when it is dark. Also the price point of the M10 cameras is great. AXIS M1011 $179 AXIS M1011-W $199 AXIS M1031-W $279 http://www.axis.com/files/datasheet/ds_m10_33831_en_0812_lo.pdf

I would recommend a IP camera system. I would use a wireless mesh network by Firetide. I have not used this system but everyone that I know uses IP cameras systems says this is the best. www.firetide.com

Also you should be able to see the bandwidth usage per port on the switch and use the Task Manager on your NVR to see the Network Utilization on your server. The cameras will use the 10/100 ports on the switches and the server and the Link between the switches should be gigabyte. I would also test all of your cat5/cat6 runs with a network certifier to rule out any wiring problems. I would test the wire runs first. Then check the settings in the switches. Then the settings in the server.

You are correct if you are referring to the M10 but Axis is not going to release a POE M10 for 2 reasons: 1) two of the three M10 cameras are wireless so they have to be plugged in anyways 2) they don't want the M10's to compete with the 210 211s and with the new h.264 box camera that is coming out. But if you need POE support with the M10's there is a POE splitter that you can use to power the camera. Retails for $89 so now you have a h.264 indoor camera with POE for a total cost of $179 + $89 = $268 The M30 line is POE

Can you provide any details? Best, Christopher Here is a video in the new M30 series.. http://www.axis.com/movies/products/m3011_low.mp4 I will see what else I can dig up

Just booked the Imperial Palace for $50 a night. Total with airfare for 2 people is $810 from Philly. Can't wait to go!!! Is anyone attending any of the Education classes?

Why do you say this is not the best camera for security? As long as you don't need something that that is Vandal-resistant or outside this camera could be an option. It's small, has H.264, better image quality than analog cameras, 2-way audio and it's cheap. If you want something that is close in features you would have to use a Axis Q4701 video server and a Analog camera then your total price is $599 plus the price of a analog camera. Exactly the reasons you cited; I agree it would be fine for indoors. The majority of my cameras are vandal-resistant domes, and are exterior cameras that must be day/night, IR-sensitive, and function in very unfavorable weather. As I said, this new Axis model would have been a great alternative to what I did this past Christmas, and I would have been glad to have it. It's cheaper, simpler, and has better video. ************ Edit ************* While we're on the subject, do they have any plans to make a weatherproof version? All of the installs we do require indoor and outdoor cameras. So this camera will be an option for our customers. As for Axis making a weatherproof version of this camera..... not gonna happen. Right now Axis has only 2 cameras that come ready to install outside... 225FD and the new 215PTZ. I have also heard people are installing the 209FD-R outside under eaves. There is about 4 more cameras Axis is releasing by the end of the 1st quarter that are going to be very useful.

Why do you say this is not the best camera for security? As long as you don't need something that that is Vandal-resistant or outside this camera could be an option. It's small, has H.264, better image quality than analog cameras, 2-way audio and it's cheap. If you want something that is close in features you would have to use a Axis Q4701 video server and a Analog camera then your total price is $599 plus the price of a analog camera.

What is your definition of a IP camera? The M10 cameras are cheap IP cameras with good image quality. I would have no problem selling these cameras to a small business that needs indoor cameras. Would I recommend these for a enterprise solution, no but a lot of people are asking for cheap quality IP cameras and these fit the bill. What do you consider a "pretty good camera"

Have you actually tried to identify someone.? That chair is not moving. It's important to keep in mind that many of these IP cameras will automatically adjust the exposure time to as long as 1 or 2 seconds. Try walking across the room in total darkness and see if your face is as sharp as the chair, or is it just a blur. Regarding the car at 35 mph, that's daylight, when the shutter speed could be 1/100 or faster. You need to test moving objects in total darkness and then post those images. Best, Christopher There is a lot of settings for image qualty. I don't have time right now but I will test the settings in the dark with the white LED on. These are the setting used in the night time image.

Your correct this a camera for homes and small offices I never stated other wise. And you should read the specs on the camera it's not a IR camera. It is a color camera with a white LED and a PIR motion detector build into the camera. Also just in case you missed it that was 30fps 640*480 30%compression @ 600kbps. I am not saying this is the best camera in the world but for 279$ this is a great camera at a good price.

How is this.... That car is doing about 35mph and also take note of the FPS and the bandwidth

That is in a pitch black room for 279$. You can identify someone in that image and like i said that is with the default setting. Also with the lights on that camera has a very good image.

Images sorry for the mess and this is with the default image setting I will post a screen shot of them

Every commercial job I have ever been at I have seen RG-6, Firewire, Burg, Cat5, Phone, CCTV and everything else low voltage run on the ceiling grid. Were talking about installs from Verizon, ADT, ASG, Comcast all the big boys. The name of the game is get it done as fast as you can. I have never seen an inspector come in and look at the wiring if it was a retro install. Not that it makes things right but I though I would point this out. In my experiences only Fire jobs get inspected. I was at a commercial job and I asked the inspector if we needed to run Plenum wire for the networking and his response was and I quote" what is Plenum wire?"

You are correct indoor only. My room finally got dark so I could test the LED capabilities. I am very impressed with it and I will post images later. My room is pitch black and with the LED off the images is black but with the LED on you should have no problem identifying someone within 20ft on the camera.

http://www.aboundi.com/index.html I have used these guys for IP cameras.

Getting it supported by the NVR software is the easy part. I will call my guy at Axis and see if they have anything in the works.

Box.... a network video encoder like this:::>> http://www.axis.com/products/cam_241qa/index.htm but with H.264