Thanks alot rory, the whole camera thing blows my mind. I have seen the same camera from $300-$500, that's the biggest range on an apparently identical product, ummm, ever. I build alot of pc's, and a seagate HD costs the same everywhere, or close. I also buy and sell on ebay, and have bought lots of computer parts, from ram to lcd monitors, and never had a problem. So why is the ebay CCTV market so shady? I understand that support is important, or lack thereof, but beyond that, what's the problem?