tesc_cctvpro

Ok, thats the same as what we know as stealth boxes , or text injectors ---- injecting text over video. That's gonna be perfect unless he wants active pos data---which is improbable if the DVR system he's using doesn't support POS.

Guaranteed to work with his dvr???

Do you need to manipulate the POS data in some kind of database to search through that data, or do you just need the transaction data overlayed on your image and saved. Active vs Passive POS

based on whose design?

Hi everyone!

I mean't don't they have a hardware device ---- a video server - that takes analog in one side and sends digital out the other side in their own format for their software.

That's the browser app --- but i really like the way they modeled it after a program

Here is some more from my very cheap 420TVL cameras --- same site, but this time on a TVT 2316ME DVR Forgot to mention : cam1 is a 12LED camera

Well I logged in and got as far as the RTSP server login.

Second that Costco -------- But you may be better off with the curry suggestion!

Doesn't mobotix offer video servers to convert the analog cams to their digital interface? I know my IP supplier has a total solution.

LOL ---- let me introduce you to another kind of crazy. Some one who is selling a CCTV camera for $20 and making $1. Seems to me the honeywells, etc are not the crazy ones. LIke you said customers are not dumb --- except about 20% of them, Honeywell, Sony, Apple continue to sell and monopolize and will continue to sell long after other brands have passed. It is when your only perception is based upon price, that this seems crazy to you. But there are a lot of really smart people running organizations like sony, apple, etc ---- and they are making a lot more money than the people that think they are crazy, and they have a dedicated, satisfied customer base that will keep buying from them regardless of what their prices are. From one perspective it seems crazy, and fadist ------ but then the real issues that really matter, and that make money, and that make people buy from you even if you're more expensive ---- seem to escape that 20% --- because that is the researched size of the DIY market not more than 20% in any market. It's the companies and brands who ascribe stupidity to their customers - imagining that price alone is the only criteria or concern to would be buyers, that fall by the wayside. Who of us wants to go out and buy a cheap product, brag about the great price, and find that after a week it no longer works --- how dumb does that make us look? Now how much is that worth to your customer --- how much would your customer pay just to avoid looking stupid on a risky purchase. You can do all the special technical comparisons, and price bidding --- but if you fail to recognize that the customers value base very often has nothing to do with tech spec and performance - you are unlikely to succeed. Those "crazies" as you call them have spent millions of dollars researching their customers value base, establishing what the customers actually want on a level that goes way beyond the product you're selling and the price of producing a satisfactory product of itself goes beyond pure manufacturing cost. So when you compare your inputs and profit margin, against theirs - it can impossibly appear to be crazy! You can have the best product, but allow it to be sold on e-bay, or from a mom and pop store amongst the toothpaste and you will without doubt find that the customers over riding value basis has a lot more to do with non tech, product issues. Biggest mistake of the budget brigade - the guys who sales pitch is d1 this, CIF that, 420TVL here and CCD there--- they don't ever get to know what their customers actually want!

Thats because that's not what i said --- the longevity of a brand - not the hardware, is very Dependant on the channels you use to distribute it.

on this side of the globe the majority selling Dahua are distributors who rebadge it with their name, and it costs alot more than $40 Not much more for a dealer to buy their cheapest unit though, but the HDMI units all cost alot more. Ive only found a couple online stores on this side selling Dahua but it was rebranded and cost much more than the distributor. But since this software is dating from 2009 looks like they might have as mentioned turned away from the high end approach, also seeing as they continue to bring out new entry level units. My definition of distributor has an added dimension, in that the people behind it actually have knowledge of security as well as the systems they sell. There are many such on line people, and these people are endorsed by the manufacturers - The alternative is a whole array of on line stores selling cctv amongst giftshop items and usb hubs ---- traditionally, reputable manufacturers don't distribute their goods through those channels and via ebay.

Just one pointer --- A dvr is literally a server device. It has minimum and maximum operating temperatures and is susceptible to various influences from the ambient environment. Issues such as humidity and moisture content etc. Our integrators always install them in server racks and cabinets like any other server - mostly you won't find that in a DIY install. Such installations are never within the parameters of warranty terms though. But then i guess that is why we have dvr's running 5 years after installation!

would you sell your customers B grade stock. what a silly comment. a recommended system or camera is a lot better way of buying than not knowing anything about the dvr or camera. saves buying twice dont you think. If I want to see 100ft to my gate at the end of the driveway and I want to know who is stopped there before I open it ------ and the recommended cameras aren't suitable for that ----- No I don't think it saves the effort of buying twice!

press the right key ► on the DVR front panel during DVR power-on to force the video output via VGA. So I can say my knowledge base on avtech building up Much the same as the TVT dvr ---- hold down the escape button for 5 seconds.

What web browser are you using? and are you trying to view via web from a pc that also has the 192.168.1.xxx notation?

Hats off to Ronwood -- that's a powerful gesture! These guys on this forum are mostly the guys that "DESERVE" your money and will give you the quality product you "DESERVE" The mere fact that they are here, arguing, debating illustrates the passion they have for their proposition ----- good luck, I am sure you are going to be quite happy with Geovision!

DSS is a remnant of the initial Dahua vision - targeting mid to high end applications - which a few years ago they where well placed to focus upon. Unfortunately in pursuit of more volumes - the perennial problem of the Chinese consumption based production models, they succumbed to selling channels that alienated them from that very high end integrator and project installer that would benefit from DSS. Today the online stores and ebay sellers are the custodians of the dahua brand, fighting for market share right alongside the $40 oem dvr. As such DSS is a grossly misplaced white elephant and trying to sell it to the clientèle of online stores and ebay buyers, is unlikely to meet with much success.

Ive never seen a distributor that will do that either Most dont even stock the items like some online stores do. Drop ship is the name of the game these days with US Distributors, and ofcourse most online stores also. There is little difference between them these days. Anyway, can we get back to the DSS software? I am taking about the installers. Those are the guys that service about 50% of the market. They are the guys that invest in personnel, training, vehicles, premises , and yes - expensive testing equipment. These are the people that have the resources and the tools and the knowledge to get the job done. Resources however cost money. Online stores and Distributors, are selling at such low margins that the only resource they build up is just enough to give you prompt packaging and delivery. The guys that have invested in the tools and the resources to get the job done, that pay the certification and training fees to regulatory bodies- are unable to compete with these online stores and distributors on price, because the have invested so much more to do so much more. Nothing wrong with online stores - if you appreciate that what they offer is limited, and in most cases what they are selling is useless and overstated. Just a few days ago I was approached by an online store that wanted to carry our products ---- My mail response was a few lines - in part! We do not subscribe to the concept of DIY security, neither the commoditization of a serious product such as CCTV. Just as we do not encourage DIY home burglar and emergency alarm installations, so we do not approve of DIY CCTV and hence we cannot agree to have our products sold via this medium.

James: I have first-hand experience with the QT428-based system and another Q-See system based on the 4-channel QC-444 DVR that came with 4x cameras having similar specs to those of the Swann (1/4" Sony CCD with 3.6mm lens). The QT428 is an 8-channel DVR so even if you buy the $300 4-camera system now, you can add another 4 cameras at a later date if you need to. With the Swann system, you get a 4-channel DVR so if you wanted to add extra cameras, you would need to get another DVR. Another nice thing about the Qt428 is that it has 8 alarm inputs and an alarm output. This lets you integrate the DVR with an alarm system and have it trigger an alarm (output) based on motion detection, or conversely, start recording from a specific camera based on an alarm being triggered (input). For an extra $50, you may be better off with the flexibility of the 8-channel DVR. For cheap residential use there is nothing wrong with the dvr --- but as a set with those cameras!!

By service and support I mean an actual body , that will get in their vehicle and drive to your premises , climbing on ladders and testing your cable with a wide variety of testers. Quality - Service - Price Price is what is paid for a service or work done. No online store is going to come out to your premises and render a service or work. - so the only service they render is to pack and ship your goods...hence the price is low! If you want quality and service --- you can't pay just enough to pack and ship the goods.

Try Beijing Fibridge technology a 15 year veteran of practical application video transmission devices - currently China plates are supported, with work being done on US, Russian and other markets. larger projects can be speed tracked though. Instead of talking cameras, they will give you practical solutions built around actual applications.

My experience has been different. Online stores bring such cheap pricing that distributors just know they are probably going to lose their sale if they sell to the installer and hope he on sells to the end user. What has the solution been --- distributors bypassing the installers and selling direct to the end users. We don't sell on price, and our network purchasing solution means all our partners are getting virtually the same prices as the distributors - but I still see a pure selling scenario that leaves no margins for an installer to price in supplying his customer with the goods that will do the job, and enable him to service and support the customer for the lifespan of the product - as well as put food on their own tables. How many online camera sellers really care about the security the end user actually gets --- and if they don't care about that, they should be in some other business. I am 100% confident when saying that selling models like that employed by Hikvision and Dahua and many other chinese manufacturers, will always result in a shorter brand cycle than Sony, Honeywell and others for eg. As long as you sell these brands, Installers will always be looking for the next best thing that will pump their margins by 5%. The DIY market accounts for 20% of the market: The installers are the direct link to the other 80%, well lets minus the high end 30% that the distributors will supply themselves. If you don't look after the installer, if you take the cream and leave them the spoils, if you force them to fight amongst themselves over margins , and compete with you at the retail level..........you will not enter the 30% high end market, you will not succeed the mainstream market 50% and you might get a small slice of the 20% low margin DIY sector. Dahua was an excellent brand when we started with them, it was a top class , high end DVR. Today we see it's dealers having to make a case against $40 dvr's to try and sell it. The DVR is way above the class of others - but the caliber of dealers selling it have reduced it to the same market stream as $40 DVR's. and the strangest thing is that when you try market the Dahua dvr as "cheap" you usually fail to sell it --- because there is always something cheaper -- what a pity that a potentially great product like that is dragged into the gutter with oem devices by dealers with no other value proposition than price.