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Any update on this? i'm just curious ..... And snowed in

Yea i'm in Jersey... still pretty crappy out http://www.avermedia.com/AVerDiGi/Upload/Download/20080910161856896.pdf the link is kinda slow for me.. so maybee right click and "save as" here is the POS box from avermedia... basically that box accepts serial or parallel printer port.. This sits in between the printer and the computer.. then intercepts the signal.. and connects to DVR on a seperate line... the pdf should explain it and there are pics!!! lol

I just did my first POS install wasn't to bad... i used cat5 cable with no ends.. viewtopic.php?f=43&t=20014 for a few questions i had answered from tomcctv what kind of printers/pos is this place using? Also tomcctv reccomended a moxa card so you'll need to wire with cat5 ethernet to a rs485 to rs232 converter... and all of those into the moxa card... then just hopefully pointing everything to the correct ports that the moxa card will create. http://www.moxa.com/product/multiport_serial_board.htm so 5 Aver POS boxes 5 232/485 converters (pretty cheap) the moxa board (looks like a few hundred) or http://cgi.ebay.com/MOXA-C168H-PCI-8-PORT-RS-232-HIGH-SPEED-SERIAL-CARD-NEW_W0QQitemZ110374031658QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b2ce112a but no cable I hope i'm going in the right direction...

Your setup has nothing to do with the iPhone.. you now have to look at all the settings in the actual DVR.. under network.. make sure all your ports are forwarded properly. And that the handiviewer checkbox is checked on the DVR. Again you now have to set up the DVR ports properly. then is should work

you can add upto what ever your dvr i.e 4 way = 4 ptz 16=16ptz but not with your usb converters as the dvr only had 3/4 usb. and if you loose powe then all your com ports will change and you will need to reset every time if you use a rs485 to rs232 converter (you only need 1) take a look at the moxa. is the best way. Perfect thanks tom! I just want to make sure that avermedia can handle "bigger" jobs. As i'm not really sure what bigger installers use for casinos/ large hotels anyway

Just wondering how many PTZ's can i connect to one avermedia pc based box? And how? Rs232 to usb converters? and then just input the com port it uses?

see if there are and .inf files in the "setup" directory... and if there is a hardcoded location that it's trying to install to.. if so.. just edit the .inf file with notepad.

They are at a good price.. seems cheap to me... but just wondering how the quality is.

man o man... you asked for "way" more "expensive" ip wiring and you got it! LoL And now you want ip cams! mmmmmm that'll be MUCH more expensive lol ok ok i'm turning off the salesman BS(now that your talking to someone else) but generally ip implementation is more expensive.. now i'm thinking with the original ridiculous overblown quote the ip system should be somewhere near that ballpark figure but still less then that... Oh yea... TAKE YOUR TIME! like rory said there is now a whole new host of issues to think about and poe routers vs not.. and network design is now a huge issue. But i remember you said you have some networking background .

question is... what is the installer recommending for DVR card / software? is it a name brand system? I still say sub it all out yourself... and get quotes

At this point... Don't rush into anything as you are learning alot now. I would go and get a few more estimates (they are free anyway) 1. Sub it out.. 2. Get a quote from a. Electrician - call local Union and ask for 3 or 4 electricians b. CCTV installer (let them know "condo" electrician will do all the wiring they need just tell them specs of wire/cable) c. Access Control (professional locksmith + same as above let them know you are going to run wires with "Condo" electrician.. just let electrician know exactly what they need) d. I like sticking with Union workers ONLY because they won't just get up and leave in middle of job and if they do... I seriously think it's going to be 50-80k+ less this way.. Get quotes from a few electricians to do all the wiring for the Access system and and for the cctv weather it be cat5 or coax. Think of everything that needs to be wired as a small pc.. your going to have 52 cameras connect to a server... thats all.. no more no less. and the same for the Access Control system.. each door/swipe is going to have a single cable that powers and sends signal to central server.. thats it.

No, not installed. I dont know what an electrician will charge in your area. Typically to run just the cable here, approx $25 per run, maybe more, normal distances only. Whoever is installing the conduit should be pulling the cable, whenever it involves conduit, i use an electrician. I have no idea about Workers comp, does not exist here. I have no idea about Access control, I just sub that part out to locksmiths. I agree with Rory.. See if subbing everything out would be better.. locksmiths that specialize in the AC... CCTV only people.. and then an electrician to wire what everyone wants/needs. might save about 80k

Christopher, To my knowledge, they have never been to our property at night. I was not the person who took them through the proprerty. We have a project management company that does that. However, I think that they were here once for a hour or so before the quoted the work using the plans we provided. However, they could have been on site much longer than an hour. I am not sure. the pricing is as follows: AC Hardware $30,672.00 AC Labor $46,455.00 ($95\hour) AC Cabling-Misc $26,400.00 AC Computer $19,200.00 Total Access Control $122,727.00 Camera- Cameras $33,015.00 Camera- Labor $31,160.00 ($95\hour) Camera- Cabling-Misc $30,400.00 Total Cameras $94,575.00 Sec Desk - Computer $15,840 (PCs and DVRs, Monitors) Sec Desk - Labor $18,050 Sec Desk - Wiring/Misc $12,000 Sec Desk - Hardware $7,680 Total Security Desk $53,570.00 Note: this is the desk in the lobby where the guards will sit and monitor the system. $75,000 had been budgeted for conduit for access control and camera systems Cabling --------------------------------------------------------------- Camera- Cabling-Misc $30,400.00 Sec Desk - Wiring/Misc $12,000 AC Cabling-Misc $26,400.00 total ~ $69,000 1000' cat5 ~ 100 (ass. 200' per camera = 5 cameras per box) 11 boxes = 55 cameras. total ~ $1100 lets say $2000 (i always round up for good measure) - but i'm not sure what to add for conduit.. can't be more then $5000 of mis cable supplies. he's going to buy a new bmw 335(yes the one with the turbo) with just the cable. DVR/Computers -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sec Desk - Computer $15,840 (PCs and DVRs, Monitors) AC Hardware $30,672. AC Computer $19,200.00 I'm guessing the AC Hardware is what powers all the cameras? i think he might be about 20k to much.. i've never powered large amounts of cameras. so not sure on this one.. AC computer... what is that? is it powering a nuclear reactor? he has DVR listed at the Sec Desk???? the AC computer can't also be a DVR? OK the DVR's lets say we build a really sweet i7 quad core machine with about 4tb storage 4 to 8 gigs ram.. including a 32 channel dvr card/cards $5000 x2 = $10,000 give or take $1 or $2k For the Security desk.... yes i say get a nice looking desk maybee even a custom one if you want... with a tall front side where you can stick some monitors under and out of sight.. all you need is 2 or 3 normal PC's with dvr software installed so $3000 for computers there.. a few thousand for a custom desk. All these PC's do is connect to the DVR's over a network.. so i'm not sure why so special.. with this.. this guy is going to put a large chunk towards his mortgage help retire him early. Labor ------------------------------------------------------ AC Labor $46,455.00 ($95\hour) Camera- Labor $31,160.00 ($95\hour) Sec Desk - Labor $18,050 not sure.. but i think he is double charging you for wiring. basically you run a wire from camera to dvr... ok then you plug wire into camera.. and you plug wire into dvr.. i'm outta time for now... Don't get me wrong he does need to make money just like the rest of us.. for a job like this i would happy pocketing a good amount.. but since you came to a board like this... your going to get "cost" estimates... this is just a good ol No lube... Bend over and take it

to extremely simplify it.. almost all newer systems are hybrid's anyway. All are just a high end PC/rackmount with a DVR card that runs the cameras/software with analogue plugs in the back. And the IP cameras will have to be plugged into a private network(easier) that the DVR is also conected to. And the other cameras are just wired directly to the back of the DVR Since almost all dvr companies have compatibility for IP cameras now.. IP camera support is built into the analogue system anyway.

Yes they can.. and for shorter runs 700' and less the cat5 can hold video and power in same line. just needs a little adapter for analogue cameras. But i've never done very large scale systems so maybe the simeesse is better. either way i say also get a quote from a few good local union electricians.. might save you about $40-50k that is most of the work..

First i have to say you came to the right place.. the guys on this board really know what they are doing. Second... Anyone else wanna shoot down to florida for a month? and do this job LoL i know right now there are a LOT of electricians out of work.. why not ask for detailed wiring specs and get a few quotes from electricians you can def beat them up in price.. and try and use Union Electricians as they gurantee their work(it'll still be cheaper then the cctv guys) is it all going to be cat5? for future "upgrade-ability" or all coax? As far as the DVRs go.. $35k seems way to much.. i'm a software engineer by trade and have put up a few very small systems in my restaurants. so i'm very limited in my knowledge.. But i know of trading systems with hi availability and redundant that are much less. Rory Question: For this large scale system i'm guessing 3 DVR's and 2 extra regular computers for the "monitoring station"

I never checked the output on the screen as it looks different then that... but the output on the screen actually looks pretty good. Thanks for the quick reply!

Pretty much any newer intel mobo will work just fine... and a nice cheap ATI 3400 or something like that video card will work just fine.

I luckily got it working on the first shot no problem. I think it works GREAT!! and a huge selling point to iPhone and blackberry people..

Just wondering on if you can review this remotely on a mac? If so How? I have a client that is asking me this question. The Iphone avermedia app actually works great!! --Antonio

Just wondering if this is possible and if anyone has it working.

I have a NV5000 8 cam system at 120 fps... 15fps per channel.. If i add 2 IP cameras to the 6 analogue are the frames per second, for the IP cameras limited to what the card can do?

I'm testing out an Avermedia card for the first time NV5000.. i have it set up and web view set up... i can remote view live footage perfectly and it looks pretty good.. But when i go and try to review old footage from the morning(remotely) I click on the remote control.. it downloads the widget and all i get is a blue screen with the bar on the right side.. I have ports 5550 and 5555 forwarded to the machine and i can remotely change the settings.. just that the remote view of old footage is not working for me... Any ideas? with my divis cards.. it takes about 3 minutes to figure everything out and to look at old footage is VERY intutive..

if you can please post instructions.. that would be great.. as its a big selling point for customers!

I have an Acti 4201 camera that is constantly trying to fix itself as i have a lot of windows in the shot.. so everytime a person walks in shot it "corrects" itself It's hooked up to an Avermedia NV5000 software. What is the best way to deal with bright windows? and backlight?