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Wow Did not expect this from you Dave Yes, we had few talks and few conversation on the phone Yes, you ask ?? and I simply and honestly told you my opinion which you call "shot down with its failures" As a matter of fact I consider I provide you with lots of info What did I get ? what you forget to mention to everybody how you went around and got cameras from China and online stores. ---------------------------------------- I do talk directly to other in business they know everything what I am doing you want some nick names ? --------------------------------- By the way I am still waiting your "HELP" about Sage Actually Alex I still haven't purchased my cameras for the house, I've got a couple of cheap cameras in place, but I have no DVR and still need to get decent working cameras. It just seemed I asked and asked and never got a straight answer. Shooting down my suggestions is fine, but then give me some suggestions....

Sawbones just so you know, I'm completely with you. I'd consider myself a "smart" customer, IT Based, just limited in CCTV knowledge. My comments regarding the cameras and lack of disclosure are accurate and are based on experience, specifically with ak357. Since I live in the same city, I contacted him regarding cameras, dvrs etc. While I was planning to do all my own prewiring, I was going to purchase all my equipment from him. It probably wouldn't have amounted to much, 15 cameras in total and a good dvr, as it's a residential install. I met with him a couple of times and spoke on the phone to discuss needs, cameras etc. It was clear he did not want to reveal a single product. Every camera I suggested (after much research) to him as a possibility was shot down with its failures. The professionals in this forum can blame it on wanting to protect their customer base, but then explain why, when your customer asks you about cameras, you would still withhold information? It just doesn't make sense. I've watched ak357s threads and his reluctance to reveal cameras...to other professionals. I don't call it professionalism, I call it insecurity.

And what's the point of that? I agree completely. But for some reason he doesn't like to reveal the cameras he uses....

knew he wouldn't name the make/model

the quality doesn't have to be great. I was about to buy a Panasonic Bl-C131a to give you an idea of level of camera, just wanting to know if there are others to consider in this price range. thx davey

where do you get them from? Directly from China? thx

Hey guys, New to the forum but not the technology, although I'm still a newbie in CCTV. We're building a new house and I'm wiring it for cameras (1 x cat5e, 1 x RG6, 1 x 18/2 per location). I've done a lot of reading on the forums and I am looking for some advice on which cameras to use. I'll attach pics of the front elevation, rear elevation, and floors of the house to get a better idea of what I'm trying to accomplish. For the external cameras I need non-ptz cameras that give a good FOV and decent picture day and night, possbily Extreme CCTV EX27s. I'd like to be able to cover the whole front driveway and front entrance area, but don't necessarily need to see license plates. Also, for the back cameras I'm really just trying to cover the back door entrance and basement window. All cameras will be fed into a PC-DVR (probably GeoVision) with monitoring software. For the interior cameras I'm trying to find some unobtrusive, possibly the Extreme CCTV WZ14s, I don't think I need PTZ. Budget, not high, possibly 3-5K (not including wiring, cameras only). Any advice you pros have would be greatly appreciated! Thx! David Front Back Basement Main

Hey guys, I was looking for a decent/affordable cam for the exterior of my home (front door) and stumbled upon the ACM-1231. I'm wondering though, at $500 a pop, is this too much camera for the area? Could I get away with something less expensive? Attached is the pic of where it would be mounted. thx

looks awesome to me - what type of camera and will it do PoE?

both clips look excellent to me in fullscreen. Drum roll please......what make/model of camera is it? Also, does it do PoE?? david

Front and rear doors are covered with IR cams, thanks. I don't have an IR barrier but I may look into that. The Axis M3011, while it looks like a nice cam, is flush ceiling mounted and quite a depth. I was looking for something relatively discrete which mount on the vertical surface of the inside corner. thx

Hey guys back looking for suggestions. I'm looking for a somewhat discrete cam that will go in the location in the picture. It doesn't have to be 'hidden' as it seems the only 'hidden' cams for this application come in a big ugly fake motion sensor. Possibly a smallish bullet or any other suggestions? thanks David

I'm trying to determine whether using PoE 802.3af to power a ptz IP camera reduces the connection speed of the camera down to 10mb from 100mb? In other words, does using one of the twisted pairs for DC reduce the number of twisted pairs avail for data since 100mb needs all 4 pairs? Or does the standard simply piggyback DC and data down one of the twisted pairs? Thanks

well after 3 weeks of cabling by myself, a hospitalization due to pneumonia, and a lot of cabling and late nights the house is now totally wired for network, sound, automation, and yes, cctv cameras. There are 6 outside cameras and 12 inside cameras. All drops received RG59/18/2 and CAT6. Man that was a lot of work! I'm still getting over the sickness but I'll have to start looking into cameras at some point and seek the expert advice on these forums. Thanks for the feedback thus far. David

I'm resurrecting this thread as I'm about 2-3 weeks away from starting the cabling. I will be using the discrete cameras within the home (those that look like a motion sensor) and I'm wondering how you guys install the cabling? Do you put a sing LV box behind the motion sensor with a plate over it and a hole in the center? I'd like the install to be as clean as possible with only a small 1/2" diameter hole behind the sensor that the wires would come through. Just not sure how to get to those wires buried in the wall once the drywall is up. Suggestions? thanks!

of course! I was thinking of gigabit! thx.

All very good point thanks for making me think. FRONT CAMERA: Yes the balding spot on a robbers head won’t do me much good. I like the look of the discrete camera extremecctv shows on their residential brochure that looks like a switch (EB Series Facial Recognition), found here: http://www.extremecctv.com/marketing/extreme_documents/ExtremeCCTV-residential.pdf However, I can’t seem to find the actual camera on any websites. RIGHT CAMERA: What PTZ would you suggest for this location? A traditional analog or IP based camera? I know the IP cams get pricy fast. REAR ELEVATION: So avoid wide angle lens to reduce distortion? Do you have a recommendation on camera? GARAGE: Looking at the vehicles, not the entrance door. I’ll have to have one in each corner then to cover the whole area. Do you have a recommendation on camera? EQUIPMENT CLOSET: I will add a camera for this location. FAMILY ROOM: Not interested in spying on kids, more concerned with back door. DEN: Really just want to watch the entrance as there is several high priced pieces of equipment in this room. So a zoom camera zoomed on to the entrance. What type of a camera would you suggest? STAIRCASE CAMERA: Interesting suggestion and a good one. Will the discrete camera you linked to suffice for this area given the possible low light conditions? UPPER FLOOR I will include the 3rd floor layout. There is a hidden room accessed only through an armoire in the master bedroom closet where we have a safe going in, as well as monitors to view all cameras. All valuables will be kept in this room. Third Flr There will be a cleaning lady and as you mentioned from time to time it’s possible there will be service people through the home. I like the discrete camera mounted as an occupancy sensor so I’ll add that outside the master. I be interested to see what indoor cameras, other than the discrete camera, you pros would suggest? I had looked at the CCTV X14 but it’s not really that ‘discrete’. I would be nice to have an unobtrusive camera that blends in to the environment, possibly a small white dome. Thanks in advance!

Audio is Nuvo Grand Concerto with 3rd party control of media servers via RS-232 and CQC. CQC for all of the home automation tasks. Everything will homerun into the server room with components mounted in a middle Atlantic rack. Video distribution is done via Sage.

yes I am in alberta. Camera placement problems...that's why I'm asking the experts! The closet is going to be in the basement at the end of the hall by the theatre. It has it's own cooling/ventilation system for all the equipment that's going in. It is part of a much larger structured wiring system going into the home, including whole house audio, 124 network drops, 96 RG6 drops, occupancy sensors etc etc. I was going with RG6 only because that's what was planned for the other rooms. However, I have read about the Siamese cabling on the forum and will change all the cameras to RG59/18/2. Any advice on cameras, placement etc is greatly appreciated. Thx

New around here but love the info! I just tried to create my own thread but it's still telling me I'm not allowed as it says I don't have 5 posts (which I do) or I haven't been registered for 10 days (which I have). Could a mod look into this please? I tried to PM a mod but it says I'm not allowed to PM until I have 10 posts??

thanks. by the way, this is in canada, so the external cameras will be subject to temps of -30c (-22F) in the winter.

Thanks C7. Cleared the cache, logged off, and on, and viola! Worked! Appreciate the help David

Anyone else ever had a delusion of traveling across history? I dunno but I always thought it would be cool to go "back to the future"

I would think this would depend on that phase of construction the building is in. If it's finished you've got a heck of a time in front of you. If not, cat5e runs I like to use right angle drills, fish tape, 110 punchdown tool, crimper with sharp blades and good RJ-45 ends, flexibits, LV boxes, conduit. For RG59 I'd stick with SNS connectors (or BNC), a couple of long fish tapes (150ft), a good labeler for you cable management. That's what comes to mind for me anyway.

thanks for the reply. I'll check into the electrical supply store and see what they can order. I did find a 1000ft roll online for $216 plus $30 shipping, which I think is not bad. The cameras (IP) I've put in are mostly the Trendnet TV-IP400. Bad picture quality, terrible night... no make that zero night time capability. But they do have the very basic PTZ and provide a streaming picture, not great cameras though...