dmiller9

I know this is a little off topic as its not access control but didn't know what forum to put it in. Right now we have hardwired panic buttons located thru 5 floors all connected via the Honeywell Ademco Vista 128 security panel. We have 22 buttons, 3 LED annunciator panels and 2- disarming keypads. There are input boards in the field fed by a twisted 3 pair 22 cable back to the main panel. they are looking at having better annunciation with perhaps mapping (visual from 10 feet away). I think they want to stay away from wireless panic buttons. Anyone have any ideas on what product I should be looking at using?

Anyone know of a company that monitors video surveillance systems remotely?

This is probably your best option if you don't want to spend a lot of money. $80 router and a little time to flash it. Running software on the computer itself to throttle bandwidth is never ideal.

You would need to get a managed switch.

What did I get wrong? it depends how you interpret your trick question. also like soundy says its differant in state codes. which is not the same as your answer which is power and data in the same cable not data and power (24v) seperate in the same conduit Your right. Sorry this is the correct section of the code. 16-212 Separation of Class 2 circuit conductors from other circuits (1) Conductors of Class 2 circuits shall be separated at least 50 mm from insulated conductors of electric lighting, power, or Class 1 circuits operating at 300 V or less, and shall be separated at least 600 mm from any insulated conductors of electric lighting, power, or Class 1 circuits operating at more than 300 V, unless for both conditions effective separation is afforded by use of (a) metal raceways for the Class 2 circuits or for the electric lighting, power, and Class 1 circuits subject to the metal raceway being bonded to ground; (b) metal-sheathed or armoured cable for the electric lighting, power, and Class 1 circuit conductors subject to the sheath or armour being bonded to ground; © non-metallic-sheathed cable for the electric lighting, power, and Class 1 circuits operating at 300 V or less; or (d) non-metallic conduit, electrical non-metallic tubing, insulated tubing, or equivalent, in addition to the insulation on the Class 2 circuit conductors or the electric lighting, power, and Class 1 circuit conductors. (2) Where the electric lighting or power conductors are bare, all Class 2 circuit conductors in the same room or space shall be enclosed in a metal raceway that is bonded to ground, and no opening, such as an outlet box, shall be permitted to be located within 2 m of the bare conductors if up to and including 15 kV or within 3 m of bare conductors above 15 kV. (3) Unless the conductors of the Class 2 circuits are separated from the conductors of electric lighting, power, and Class 1 circuits by an acceptable barrier, the conductors in Class 2 circuits shall not be placed in any raceway, compartment, outlet box, junction box, or similar fitting with the conductors of electric lighting, power, or Class 1 circuits. (4) Subrule (3) shall not apply where the conductors of a power circuit are in the raceway, compartment, outlet box, junction box, or similar fitting for the sole purpose of supplying power to the Class 2 circuits, and all conductors are insulated for the maximum voltage of any conductor in the enclosure, cable, or raceway, except that no Class 2 conductor installed in a raceway, compartment, outlet box, junction box, or similar fitting with such conductors of a power circuit shall show a green-coloured insulation, unless such Class 2 conductor is completely contained within a sheathed

I guess I don't know what you are trying to say in the your reply then. dmiller9. take a read though your own findings and you will see where YOU have got it wrong. you have over looked a simple mistake. What did I get wrong?

Thanks. An integrator that knows his stuff. Props to you.

I guess I don't know what you are trying to say in the your reply then.

And thats where you are wrong. In both Canada and the USA that would be illegal. You can only mix Class 2 low voltage with data cableing. The above mentioned power supply is not Class2 because or the current carry ability You would have to fuse the output of the power supply to limit the current output. Like I said this was a trick question and not many people know about this rule. The other thing you are mistake about is the reason for this rule has nothing to do with interfearance. It has everything to do with safety. Just like mixing 120V with data cableing its all about safety not interfearance. This is a couple importatant sections copied from the CEC. "16-012 Circuits in communication cables (1) Class 1 circuits shall not be run in the same cable with communication circuits. (2) Class 2 remote control and signal circuits or their parts that use conductors in a cable assembly with other conductors forming parts of communication circuits are, for the purpose of this Code, deemed to be communication circuits and shall conform to the applicable Rules of Section 60." This is the defention of a Class 2 circuit. If it doesn't meet these requirements then it can not be ran in the same conduit as a data cable. "16-200 Limitations of Class 2 circuits (see Appendix B) (1) Class 2 circuits, depending upon the voltage, shall have the current limited as follows: (a) 0 to 20 V — circuits in which the open-circuit voltage does not exceed 20 V shall have overcurrent protection rated at not more than 5 A, except that overcurrent protection shall not be required where the current is supplied from (i) primary batteries that under short-circuit will not supply a current exceeding 7.5 A after 1 min; (ii) a Class 2 circuit transformer; (iii) a device having characteristics that will limit the current under (iv) a device having a Class 2 output; (b) Over 20 V but not exceeding 30 V — circuits in which the open-circuit voltage exceeds 20 V but does not exceed 30 V shall have an overcurrent protection rating not exceeding 100/V amperes, where V is the open-circuit voltage, except that the overcurrent protection shall not be required where the current is supplied from (i) primary batteries that under short-circuit will not supply a current exceeding 5 A after 1 min; (ii) a Class 2 circuit transformer; (iii) a device having characteristics that will limit the current under normal operating conditions or under fault conditions to a value not exceeding 100/V amperes, where V is the open-circuit voltage; or (iv) a device having a Class 2 output; © Over 30 V but not exceeding 60 V — circuits in which the open-circuit voltage exceeds 30 V but does not exceed 60 V shall have an overcurrent protection rating not exceeding 100/V amperes, where V is the open-circuit voltage, except that the overcurrent protection shall not be required where the current is supplied from (i) a Class 2 circuit transformer; or (ii) a device having characteristics that will limit the current under normal operating conditions or under fault conditions to a value not exceeding 100/V amperes, where V is the open-circuit voltage; (d) Over 60 V but not exceeding 150 V — circuits in which the open-circuit voltage exceeds 60 V but does not exceed 150 V shall have an overcurrent protection rating not exceeding 100/V amperes, where V is the open-circuit voltage, and in addition shall be equipped with current-limiting means other than overcurrent protection that will limit the current, either under normal operating conditions or under fault conditions, to a value not exceeding 100/V amperes, where V is the opencircuit voltage. (2) A device having energy-limiting characteristics may consist of a series resistor of suitable rating or other similar device. (3) A Class 2 power supply shall not be connected in series or parallel with another Class 2 power source."

Trick question guys. If I have a 10A 24VAC power supply powering a camera using 2C/14AWG wiring can I run that cable in the same conduit as the data cable?

Sounds like an arecont problem then. I have been running exacq at 12 different sites running vivotek, Sony and Panasonic cameras and have never had this problem.

There could be lots of reasons for this. I would be examining your network to to see if you might have an unstable network connection to that camera. How many hops does it take to get to the camera? Have all the lines to that camera been certified? Is the network a dedicated camera network?

Lunch? I'm thinking about the bar! Exacq integrators need lots of drinks without lots of vodka camera tend to loose connections then integrators loosing their mind But my post was about local Edmonton lunch Lets do lunch next week.

Thats right. Just before ISC Exacq has released version 4.9 which now includes thumbnail search.

Anyone know who I can buy Genetec Omnicast Pro from as a box sale? --Duncan