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I second JOINDVR's idea of a separate Hikvision Forum! Like JOINDVR, I am not an end user... I just sell Aver/Geovision and now Hikvision w/Netvision software. I love both Aver and Geo for the most part. I would really like to try Aver's new Hardware Compression card and compare it with Hikvision. As to Netvision, when used with Hikvision, it is awesome in video quality. The .jpg exports are really good. I just caution anyone in using the software if they anticipate actual security events they need to save. There is no export to .avi, which is a big drawback. You can back up with it's own player, which is not real easy to use for the average client. I look at any DVR/NVR solution without a simple export to .avi with common codec as being somewhat half finished. Maybe william_netvisiondvr has some comment on future developement in this area.

True... it's not Hollywood. As to the comparison, the Digimerge VB308251 is an 8 channel DVR that the manufacture says will do 60fps in D1 Resolution. With an 8-camera set up, the Digimerge will deliver 7.5fps. The AverMedia NV5000 with an expansion card will deliver only 1.5fps, using your specs. That is a pretty big difference. I normally use the 16ch 6480 express card, but this client is on a recession budget, so I may order in my first stand alone DVR for this clients gas stations. Matt

Wow, that really is in the basement. Is that from personal observation, or does AverMedia publish that? I was hoping that it would be around 30fps for VGA. Matt

Hello: Just wondering if anyone has a solution to this. I have two systems (v7.7 and a 7.5) that both do the same thing. When you want to export a clip, you select a marker at the start point, and a marker at the end point, and go to export video. Everything works fine. UNLESS: If you want to export past the hour mark. Let's say you want from 5:55 to 6:03. You can place an "in" marker at 5:55, but when you switch to the 6:00 hour to put your marker at 6:03, the first marker will no longer be there. I can't believe that AverMedia would have such a huge flaw, so I'm hoping I am missing something here. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Matt

nv 6480. you go to system then back-up and down load footage or go to intel search and click on how many hrs you need. (you click on each hr once and the last hr click on twice) then use segment. You can use the back-up system to back up hours, not minutes. It does not allow you to put in specific times, nor does it allow you to export anything. You just get the native .dv files, not the exported .avi files like you get with the segment export feature. The "intelligent search" function only searches. It does not back anything up. So, unless I miss-understanding you here... I still don't see how I could make an .avi of an event that took place from 10:55 to 11:05. Matt

Someone out there correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that the latest software does. The problem is not the software per say... it is the card. The bigger cards allow for that. If I load v7.7 on my 5000 system, I can't do it, but if I load the same software on my 6480 demo, it allows the "advanced" window, which gives me all kinds of screen divisions. matt

*bump* Hopfully someone will answer this. This is an interesting question. I did not know that Geovision even did this, but it sounds like a good idea. I always get a strange feeling when I leave a site that has the CPU out in the open. We have hidden them in some installation, and even went so far as to put up a dummy old PC with a "Surveillance System" sticker on it. One thing you could do, that would independent of any feature set of the software, would be to record to a USB drive externally period. Don't worry about using any internal drive at all. And if you are worried about data, you could get an external USB RAID. However, I'm not sure if the USB RAIDs are slower than regular USB hard drives, which seem to work fine with Geovision. Matt

I'm using a nv-6480 express. It is going to a router because I have a couple of IP cams to hooked up to it, but other than that, there is no other computer hooked up to it, so I'm not sure how I could use the ActiveX Web Client software without another computer. I know what you mean about a crossover cable, but there is not another computer to cross over to at this clients location.

quote] dont know who you spoken to at aver but it can be done. you are using segment cut there are two other ways for burning footage. use your remote software it gives you more options. When you say "two other" methods, I assume both are on the remote software? I only see one option... the segment option, on the server software. Also, this unit is not on a network. So remote won't work, unless you think I can just pull it internally somehow, using Explorer. Thanks for your comments. Matt

GOT A RESPONSE FROM AVER: It turns out there is NO fix for this. It is a know issue. Really amazing that a large company with such a nice product could screw up something so bad! I guess crime is not supposed to take place at the top of the hour. You CAN NOT get a continuous clip from 9:59:00 to 10:01:00. You would have to make that into two clips.

Most all DVRs would have an export feature to export it to an .avi. But, if they failed to put that basic feature on it (which is like building a Corvette, but forgetting to put a steering wheel on it) than a work around is to use a screen capture utility. Check out download.com. There are many options, some of them free. I do this often for my local law enforcement, when they come in with some weird file with a junkie player that no one wants anything to do with. The capture utility can write it to an .avi, then you can put that into a video editor and make a DVD. The quality actually holds out. Matt

DON'T do a RAID 5, as sugessted by Integratek, without reading this: http://ipvideomarket.info/report/advantages_of_raid6_over_raid5_for_video_surveillance matt

Are you going to ISC WEST in April? Sometimes it is really nice to be able to talk face to face with the sales and engineering people. Heck, half my motivation for going to ISC is just so I can complain in person to someone who might care more when I'm in their face! If nothing else, it makes me feel better

True, but for for the end user, that would be a bit much to ask. They don't work with this stuff every day like we do. Some of them are great with their Glocks, but not so good with their mice! Even if it took an hour in the background, it would be worth it for them just to set an in-point, and an out-point, and wait for a DVD-Video to pop out.

Ok, I see what you mean. That might come in handy some day on some of the real primitive ones. matt

Yes, I think most DVR systems do that. At that point, the DVD is just a bid CD, and of course has no playback on DVD players. I have a netvision system one that does that, but often the software they load is not very user friendly. It's great for us professional who are used to seeing "student projec grade" programs written, and can intuitively figure them out. Especially exciting is the language. For a laugh, here is a quote from my Hikivision player software that you can download free: Convert to AVI File will be Failed to Play the MPEG4 File. The converted AVI File can't be larger than 2g! Playing the Converted AVI File must INstall the Divx! if Continued, Click OK Button." matt "

OK, I see what you are saying. I know that Exacq uses the cameras motion detection to feed the ExacqVision server, which saves on processing power. I've just never needed any of those advanced features such as the FTP. I know it is frustrating sometimes with manufactures, because it seems like the fix would be so easy to do. How long could it possible take? But then again, I'm not a computer programer! It's kind of like trying to figure out why Microsoft, when copying a folder from one drive to another drive, can't copy everything except the errors, and tell you what errors you have at the end. Instead, they abort the whole process. I mean really... would it cost that much to fix? matt

Thanks for your comments. In actuality, I have an Aver System demo running in my office that does export to Mpeg2. I'll have to check and see how long it takes to do so. Don't remember it being too bad. Of course after the export, it doesn't do anything to make it into a burnable DVD video. As to the length issue, most of what we have been dealing with here has been shop lifting incidences, traffic stops, gasoline drive offs, and occasional armed robbery. Nothing over a few minutes. I suppose there could be a long covert op sometime, but it seems like everything I get to do is not very long. Our prosecutor wants things in DVD so that everyone, including the defense, can view it. If there does arise a dispute, you can always go back to the original, assuming you exported that as well. Just mentioning the fact that you have the original would kill any serious request for it. But even if you didn’t have the original, it is hard to imaging a jury is going to believe that Walmart hired expert video editors to colon in Ms. Jones to make it look like her that shoplifted the pack of cigarettes. So I still think DVD is really handy to have. But I had not thought of the processing power that might be needed when you are running 16 cameras in the background...

Humm.... I guess I don't understand what you mean by "camera" time zone. Is not the time stamp controlled by the exacqVision server software, not the individual cameras? I used it with Axis 207MW cameras (I love 'em, except they are hard to sell as they look like something out of a Cracker-Jack box). While he 207 has an internal time, I don't remember having to ever set it, presuemable because I was using the ExacqVision software for time.

I used exacqVision on a 16IP set up, and it seems quite stable... and that was a few updates ago. It has not been updated for the last 18 months. I found the set up to be very easy. Choosing a display setup was also very easy. The chunky part I found was the time it took to play a video clip. It was always "rendering" first. It would not just play a clip instantly. This is annoying. On a Geo or Aver, you play the clip, and it just plays. I'm not sure why this is. Have you experienced this in your set up?

I agree on the BNC "T" connector. It sometimes works, and sometimes does not, which probably has a lot to do with the components ability to auto terminate a signal. I have an install that I maintain that has 80 cameras splitting to an analog matrix switcher, and a DVR farm. I can tell no quality loss in this set up. The picture looks great. But at another install, the installer split the signal to throw in a PVM (public view monitor) and it does degrade the signal noticable.

I have used exacq vision. I did the IP version, and did not purchase their NVR or DVR. I got a good deal on the per unit camera as a "dealer", but have not used them since, because I found the playback to be rather complex for my client. The viewing, and setup were really well laid out. It was very easy to work with, except for the playback. When you go to playback a file, it takes a long time to "download" that file, even when you are playing it locally. It's like it is really processor intensive to decode the video, even when it is on a local drive. Hopefully they will work on that because it was great software otherwise. I think they allow a free download on their site that is good for one camera. You can use a video encoder for the analog cameras, but if you have a lot of those, it will get expensive, and a Hikvision card would be a better deal. Incidentally, Hikvision has 1024 x 768 resolution on their client. Not sure what it is on the server right off. Not really sure why you would need anything more though. It looks really good at 1024 x 768. It is higher than NTSC. I guess if you were displaying one high res. IP camera, you might want more, but most of the time, people are displaying 4 or 8 cameras on one screen. Let me know how Cyeweb and Linovision work out. I appreciate any reviews on these software, as someday I would like to leave the Netvision in the dust... assuming they don't develop it into something more user friendly for the end user. (export to .avi duh!) Matt

Please report back on the CORE software. I would be interested to know what you think of it if you decide to try it.

william_netvisiondvr You didn't answer Jets question clearly. Do you work for Hikvision? I guess what I'm asking is this: Is Netvision owned by Hikvision? Or do they just make software and sell it to Hikvision? Thanks.

If you can only connect 24 units and not 32, you may want to check your "maximum number of cameras over network" on the 5.29 software. I run Hikvision DVR cards with Netvision 5.29, which might be a slightly different set up than you have, but my Netvision SERVER software has a field to tell what the maximum number of cameras you will allow to go to client PCs over the network. The default is 128 cams. It is possible this got changed to 24 you yours. Go into your main setup and network set up and look for this setting, and see what this value is set for.