Magic Radar DVR Card

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I'm trying to find the U.S. distributor or importer for this card. I understand he may be located in the NY area. Anyone have information on where to get them?

 

www.magicradar.com

[qman 0]

Hey, if you find out a name or address, I'll go over and have a chat with the people who sell them, and see how it works.

 

let me know

[cctv_down_under 0]

They just contacted us again.. the manufactorer.. they siad there is new software they want our input on it.. it comes from Tibet Systems.

[AVCONSULTING 0]

Tibet Systems is the parent company. If you talk to them again could you get quantity pricing on their boards and pass it along. We seem to have a very hard time getting them to respond. They will be at the ISC show in March but I'd like to get pricing sooner. Also any pricing on GeoVision will help. We are looking at both boards for a large OEM project.

[cctv_down_under 0]

Sure.. I wil email you the prices we paid,, please keep in mind they are sample prices

[AVCONSULTING 0]

Thanks, will be on the lookout for them. I'm going to the ISC show and they are going to be there so your prices will be of great help in establishing a baseline point. We evaluated the GeoVision and decided to wait for them to make the GUI easier for end users. Honestly, I and my DVR guru guy felt that the end user would have too much trouble using certain features and we showed the American GeoVision guys some ideas which would make things much easier to use. Stuff like video timelines for easy retrieval of video clips. Easier ways to back up from object search. Bookmarking, etc. Hopefully a new version will address such problems. Meanwhile our search for the perfect card continues. I'll update you on any interesting finds at the show so you can check them out for yourself.

[cctv_down_under 0]

You have no idea how much I would apreciate that, as soon as I find better than Geo we will dump them.

We ordered a smaple from Winnertech today has anyone tried these that you know of?

[squale 0]

why are you guys considering dumping Geovision cards if you claim their cards and software are so good?

[AVCONSULTING 0]

Primarily from a marketing point of view. We sell DVRs and cards for our business and you don't want to spend a lot of time with customers promoting an item that is splashed all over the internet at insanely low prices. Ideally we want a DVR or DVR card that has as many or more features than the GeoVision but is strictly limited in it's distribution so we can be fairly sure that when the person does want to buy they will buy from us instead of some internet discounter. Also from a customer support point of view I'm not entirely satisfied with GeoVision's GUI and ease of use. To use many of the features means drilling down into endless sub menus and most end users are not computer savvy and end up flooding you with endless requests for help which takes up way too much time for the amount of money you get. The features are great, but GeoVision has to make them more accessible to the average user. They haven't done this to my satisfaction so far.

[squale 0]

Primarily from a marketing point of view. We sell DVRs and cards for our business and you don't want to spend a lot of time with customers promoting an item that is splashed all over the internet at insanely low prices. Ideally we want a DVR or DVR card that has as many or more features than the GeoVision but is strictly limited in it's distribution so we can be fairly sure that when the person does want to buy they will buy from us instead of some internet discounter. Also from a customer support point of view I'm not entirely satisfied with GeoVision's GUI and ease of use. To use many of the features means drilling down into endless sub menus and most end users are not computer savvy and end up flooding you with endless requests for help which takes up way too much time for the amount of money you get. The features are great, but GeoVision has to make them more accessible to the average user. They haven't done this to my satisfaction so far.

 

I'm sure you have seen many different cards and software right??? abotu how many?

 

would you say that Geovision currently has the BEST software and some of the best cards as well? or do you think the actual quality of the cards and performance of the cards is lacking but the software is just so good that it makes up for it?

 

I am still worried that this GV-250 might not pack enough punch for me.. I only need for one camera now, but probably will do 2-3 camers in the future. But what worries me is that I won't even be able to view ONE camera at full speed of 30 fps NTSC. How will I ever know what the camera REALLY looks like if I can't view it at 30fps?

[AVCONSULTING 0]

If you are really intent on having 30 fps then get the more advanced GV-800 card that has 30 fps per camera. Truthfully this is overkill and no one uses it except for casinos which have to see very rapid hand movements to catch cheaters. You would be fine with 4 or 5 fps per camera. I guess unless you actually see something like that in action you won't understand that 4 to 5 fps is a lot of frames. I'd suggest looking around in your local area and see if you can find a company that offers time lapse recorders or DVRs (check for Spy Shops, etc). At least go in and see what the playback looks like. Another big drawback to recording at high speeds is that you use of huge chunks of hard drive space at that frame rate. Even if you only record on motion it will still eat up a hard drive quickly, not unlike a hungry bear devouring your garbage (if not you also). GeoVision is a great card. It has drawbacks but they really don't affect your situtation.

 

As for the number of DVRs and cards I've evaluated, I've lost count. Too many for sure. And I will be looking at tons more at the upcoming ISC show in Las Vegas next month. The quest for the perfect DVR is never ending. And we haven't even talked about embedded systems. Good luck on your quest.

[squale 0]

okay thanks for the reply. YOu said there are drawbacks to the Geovision cards, can you let me know what these are? I just like to have all information going into a purchase.

 

And could you tell me, what FPS speed do you use to stream video over the internet? what is the highest over the internet?

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Capturing Frame Rate, is different to streaming frame rate, to be honest I have never checked but I feel certain that the only limit to the frame rate for transmition is the Bandwidth that you have (how fast your connection is).

 

therefore buying a 250 for transmition purposes is the same as a 100 series and only the capture rate will change

[rory 0]

check out the 10pps retail shockwave example here

 

its a recording of recorded video play back, over the internet, so it is not as good quality as local playback, but it will give you an idea of the speed. 5pps is about the same speed, I recently switched from 10pps to 5pps to get 28 days recording, and its fine. Most people only record at 1pps or less, so 5pps is plenty! BAck in the day, most people only used switchers which sequenced between cameras, and recorded to tape at 1pps or less, imaging that quality!

 

http://www.bahamassecurity.com/ms/shockwave.asp

[squale 0]

so are you guys saying that it doesn't matter if I get a GV-800 or a GV-250, because over the internet they will both be the same FPS speed?

 

So does this mean that over the internet, I won't get more than like 5-7 FPS with a cable modem?

[rory 0]

over the internet, you will get as fast as your internet connection is. Recording PPS/FPS has nothing to do with what you see across the internet.

[squale 0]

okay, and that is the question I am trying to get an answer to.. over the net, with a Cable Modem what do you think my MAX FPS will be? I have a cable modem where I will be running the software.

 

I want to know this because lets say I can only get about 7 FPS at the most through the internet, then what is the point in my getting something like the GV-800 that does 30 FPS per camera if I can't utilize this speed over the internet? you see my point..

[rory 0]

you dont get any FPS/PPS, you get what the connection gives you.

 

Ok, Our 512KB Cable Connection looks like around 2.5-10pps, depending on time of day.

 

Rory

[squale 0]

well in the Geovision software, version 6.0 through the multiview mode, you can click on a camera and it will tell you what your current FPS is...

 

if the local camera is only being recorded at 7 FPS cause that's the most your card can do, will that slow down the speed at which you see it over the internet in comparrison to if you had a 30 FPS card?

[rory 0]

yeah sorry, you will only see it as fast as it can be viewed locally, at least on a stand alone. I cant tell you for GOEVISIOn, DVR aus or AVConsult may be able to help you there.

 

In other words, it doesnt matter what speed I am recording at, I will see it as fast as the multiplexer puts it out, over the the network. The less cameras the less bandwidth so the faster it is. Normally has nothing to do with recording though, but PC based cards may be differnent.

[cctv_down_under 0]

NO!

What it means that you will capture only at the speed rating of your card, however video transmition will be as fast as your internet can handle as it is not limited to the capture rate, therefore you will get as many frames as you can fit into your bandwidth.

 

For example you will only get as fast as your slowest traffic, there are two speeds, an Up and a Downspeed, when you stream out it is an UP speed and when you download at the other end it is a Down speed, therefore if you stream at 128k and download at 1500k then you will still only get 128k speed as the upload can only handle that and if you were to UP at 256k and download at 128k then you would still only get 128k but if you were to UP at 500k and DOWN at 1500k then you would get 500k speed.

 

Every country is different and it depends on how many cameras you watch at one time but cable should get you a lot faster than that becuase I would imagine cable is above 1500k Down but the Up is probably only 256k

 

If you want log into mine we are 256 UP and 1500 down but remember it will be slower because I am not close to you, so probably double my results.

 

Here is instructions on how to log in http://www.altechvision.com.au/WebVeiw.pdf

[rory 0]

yeah with our cable here, we get the same up and down (actually around 400KB, paying for 512KB basic business account $150 per month), with DSL, its alot less up so we cant use DSL for video here, I tried already and it was so slow. We have to pay $490 a month to get the same speed up as cable has!

[cctv_down_under 0]

I havent had to test it because we usually only do Fast FPS machines, but the only advantage of having the 100FPS Card over the 16FPS card is that recording on site will be faster and downloading previously recorded info would look much jerkier on a 16Fps machine, but for live viewing remotely it makes no difference ( I havent tested this theory because I always use fast cards).

[rory 0]

does GEO have windows based software (non browser)? OR do they have a control where you can write your own?

 

Rory

[cctv_down_under 0]

All of the above