568B 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Just wondering what anyone thinks of the Panasonic WV-CW484 Fixed vandal outdoor dome. We have had great success with them but they are pricey. Any recommendations for other cameras with roughly the same specs? Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deluxecctv.com 0 Posted October 2, 2008 What you have is an older model of Panasonic PTZ'S They now have a WV-CS954A which is typically around $2,200.00 If anything, I would go with Pelco. They have great PTZ'S and wonderful tech support. They seem to run less depending on which model you want. The spectra II will be comparable to Panasonic 484 model. The newest out from Pelco is the SD4CBW35 Stay tuned for their newest camera to come. It will blow your mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WDRJack 0 Posted October 3, 2008 What you have is an older model of Panasonic PTZ'S They now have a WV-CS954A which is typically around $2,200.00 If anything, I would go with Pelco. They have great PTZ'S and wonderful tech support. They seem to run less depending on which model you want. The spectra II will be comparable to Panasonic 484 model. The newest out from Pelco is the SD4CBW35 Stay tuned for their newest camera to come. It will blow your mind. I think he meant the wv-cw484s (surface mount dome) or the wv-cw484f (flush mount dome). These are the same as the wv-cp484 (box) except in a dome configuration. One of the best WDR cameras. I have some new ones listed in the classified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 3, 2008 What you have is an older model of Panasonic PTZ'S They now have a WV-CS954A which is typically around $2,200.00 If anything, I would go with Pelco. They have great PTZ'S and wonderful tech support. They seem to run less depending on which model you want. The spectra II will be comparable to Panasonic 484 model. The newest out from Pelco is the SD4CBW35 Stay tuned for their newest camera to come. It will blow your mind. 568B and the product code is referring to Panasonic minidome, mainly used in outdoor applications.. and this is not a full fledge dome as WV-CS954A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Just wondering what anyone thinks of the Panasonic WV-CW484 Fixed vandal outdoor dome. We have had great success with them but they are pricey. Any recommendations for other cameras with roughly the same specs? Thank you. This minidome camera above is the best in its class... if you are comparing its performance in extreme light variation conditions, nothing comes close to its functionality nor performance... However... We run tests with this camera against best of the best from Bosch, Sanyo, American Dynamics and GE... The only ones that came close (not exactly the same performance in extreme conditions) were the offering from Bosch and Sanyo... Here are the models 1. Bosch VDN-495V03-20 Low-impact and impact-resistant models 1/3-inch format CCD imager 2.6-6mm, 3.7-12mm, 4.0-9.0mm, 3.7-12mm and 3.0-9.5mm model available Superior picture clarity in virtually all situations 540 TVL color resolution AC or DC operation Patented dome shape for 90º vertical view Extended sensitivity with NightSense Bilinx bi-directional communication This model from Bosch is somewhat cheaper and yet delivers exceptional picture quality during the day and night... However, if you test it against Panasonic model and in an environment where lighting changes frequently and requires better filtering (i.e. in warehouse when you open the back gates and require to see inside of the trailer while you have light variations in the middle and the sides of the picture), then Panasonic model takes the lead... 2. Sanyo VDC-DP7584H Vandal Proof MiniDome with w/Heater Module No Focus Adjustments Required Built-in X2.6 motorized zoom pan-focus lens, f=2.8-7.3mm (F=1.9-3.0) 1/4†Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
survtech 0 Posted October 3, 2008 The spectra II will be comparable to Panasonic 484 model. Pelco hasn't made Spectra II's for at least 5 years. Since then, they produced the Spectra III's (also discontinued) and now the Spectra IV's. We run tests with this camera against best of the best from Bosch, Sanyo, American Dynamics and GE... But not the Pelcos. You have made it clear that you dislike that company. But your dislike has nothing to do with the quality or capabilities of their products. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 3, 2008 We run tests with this camera against best of the best from Bosch, Sanyo, American Dynamics and GE... But not the Pelcos. You have made it clear that you dislike that company. But your dislike has nothing to do with the quality or capabilities of their products. My good friend in the casino industry - Please find below how clear I am or will ever be about your assessment above! Yes, I dislike Pelco and do not care for crap brand... Why do you care what I like or dislike anyway? You tried this same type of attack against me in a different thread and backed off very quickly when I called your bluff... and that still stands by the way, just in case if your forgot that thread. If I choose to run tests with what I prefer, it is none of your business... I state facts as I see it and can prove it and my dislike with Pelco, and yes I hate Pelco with passion, has nothing to do with this Post... Instead of attacking me on my dislike of a company and what they represent (nothing tangible), why don't you help the member to provide your version of what Pelco has that can complete with Panasonic's best, which I am sure Pelco has nothing close to anything that I recommended above! Do you want to start a separate post about Pelco by any chance? Lets scrutinize what makes Pelco a crap brand (which I am sure you will disagree) and I can prove it and it has nothing to do with their local rep, as you already know! Do you want to go for this opportunity to defend Pelco or may want to bring Pelco's best for this challenge? You know who I am and I'm willing to take this challenge from you or from Pelco, if so you desire! I call a brand as I see it and nothing less and I will call the spade a spade. Can you or are you capable to do the same? Or you like to just make comments without real facts, rather your theories and your obsession with Pelco? May be you can state your major dislike of American Dynamics that has nothing to do with the quality of their products, isn't it? Do you want to explain idiotic behavior of one American Dynamics rep in the East Coast diminishing your ability to take advantage of a decent product line? Or better yet, do you want a separate post about American Dynamics across the board? I am challenging you for open discussions about this company and all their products. Do you want to go for it? If you do not take any of my challenges above, then I know where you stand! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
survtech 0 Posted October 3, 2008 I didn't end the discussion because you "called my bluff". I ended it because of your incoherent statement: ...Of course you will bring to me your scientific analysis to show that this is not correct and I can bring real world fact that science most of the time is incorrect. This from a person who works in a field that would not exist if it weren't for science. And I did not attack you for your dislike of Pelco, rather for your failure to acknowledge that they produce products that are at least the equal, if not superior to, your recommendations. Since Deluxecctv.com had already recommended the Pelco Spectra IV SD4CBW35, I saw no need to re-recommend it. But since you insist, I second the nomination. Let's take your statement below: We run tests with this camera against best of the best from Bosch, Sanyo, American Dynamics and GE... American Dynamics is far from "best of the best". AD sells a lot of products that would be considered average in quality. In fact, they are no better than Pelco in that respect. For that, they might be considered to be a suitable brand for many applications. But on the other side of the coin, you yourself have admitted a number of times that their Technical Support is poor. That's enough to remove them from the "best of the best" list. Yes, I dislike them. That dislike comes from far more than one Tech Support idiot's statement of "did we tell you that would work" to my explanation of the problem we were having with a piece of their equipment. You can add their failure to send a tech to our location despite 3+ years of requests by SeeVid and their incompetence in trying to sell us a product (Intelleview) that was basically vaporware at the time; and they knew it. I have no real opinions on Bosch products except that they tend to be on the expensive side compared to their competition and their failure to demonstrate their products to us after many promises to do so hasn't earned my respect. Sanyo is another company that makes decent equipment but by closing the support department for their Casino DVR's, even while still selling them, they've basically spat in the faces of the many casinos who purchased their product. GE is GE. They do make some unique products and we have used some Kalatel and GBC-based products with reasonable results. I agree that Panasonic is an excellent company. I have always liked their products, both pro and consumer. They don't always perform to "state of the art", but they have always been well made and reliable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 3, 2008 I didn't end the discussion because you "called my bluff". I ended it because of your incoherent statement: ...Of course you will bring to me your scientific analysis to show that this is not correct and I can bring real world fact that science most of the time is incorrect. This from a person who works in a field that would not exist if it weren't for science. Amazing that you will trap yourself on the above comments of mine and unable to answer intelligently and yet pose no tangible answer. I do not have to say more on this topic, as you back peddled and did not care to prove yourself.. You think about that! And I did not attack you for your dislike of Pelco, rather for your failure to acknowledge that they produce products that are at least the equal, if not superior to, your recommendations. You did not attack? Well my friend, if your comments does not constitute a direct attack, then you should reconsider your writing style. Since Deluxecctv.com had already recommended the Pelco Spectra IV SD4CBW35, I saw no need to re-recommend it. But since you insist, I second the nomination. You are wrong again... The member of this thread is talking about a minidome and not a PTZ dome and he wanted to get opinions on similar products as MINIDOMES and not as a PTZ domes... So by seconding your opinion for this topic is wrong... Let's take your statement below: We run tests with this camera against best of the best from Bosch, Sanyo, American Dynamics and GE... American Dynamics is far from "best of the best". Can you please elaborate where I state that American Dynamics is "best of the best" when their version of the minidome did not even make on the top of the list? I guess you can make assumptions without any facts, as before. AD sells a lot of products that would be considered average in quality. In fact, they are no better than Pelco in that respect. For that, they might be considered to be a suitable brand for many applications. But on the other side of the coin, you yourself have admitted a number of times that their Technical Support is poor. That's enough to remove them from the "best of the best" list. Again, I never said anywhere that American Dynamics products are "best of the best", but I can prove that they make better equipment and better technical support than Pelco. Can you? Yes, I dislike them. That dislike comes from far more than one Tech Support idiot's statement of "did we tell you that would work" to my explanation of the problem we were having with a piece of their equipment. You can add their failure to send a tech to our location despite 3+ years of requests by SeeVid and their incompetence in trying to sell us a product (Intelleview) that was basically vaporware at the time; and they knew it. I am not going to argue with you about a problem that you had with American Dynamics caused by few people and if this is what you are using not to like a company, then that is a something totally different that I am learning about you .... I have no real opinions on Bosch products except that they tend to be on the expensive side compared to their competition and their failure to demonstrate their products to us after many promises to do so hasn't earned my respect. If you do not have any real opinions about Bosch, then you should not make any judgments even about their pricing. Sanyo is another company that makes decent equipment but by closing the support department for their Casino DVR's, even while still selling them, they've basically spat in the faces of the many casinos who purchased their product. I agree, Sanyo missed the boat, but I still like them as they make one of the best hardware in the market. GE is GE. They do make some unique products and we have used some Kalatel and GBC-based products with reasonable results. Agreed! I agree that Panasonic is an excellent company. I have always liked their products, both pro and consumer. They don't always perform to "state of the art", but they have always been well made and reliable. Now, where is the area that you suppose to accept my challenges in the previous post? I knew that you will not... and I rest my case! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 3, 2008 My friend Survtech, stop sending you personal pictures and to attempt to scare us with them... If this is your response to my observations, then I do not have to say more... Rather focus on the topic of the discussion of this thread, which I am sure now that you are not capable to follow... I thought we are posting a response for a question that a user has asked and instead you want to take this to a different levels and show your intelligence level?... Man, you are doing a great job! Just keep up the good work... Looks to me that you are not what you claim anymore... Rather some individual without any knowledge or expertise of any sort in our business... I guess you are trying very strongly to persuade others, but will not and will never work for me... I called you on the challenge (actually two challenges in this thread and not including the challenge on the cable question) and you backed down... again... so, what is that say about you? You think about that my friend... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolo Wolf 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Aside from product opinion...Pelco past always claimed manufacturing all of its products in the USA....it has been swapping labels for years in its clovis "factory" all the while out sourceing to Korean and china - More BS from another so called American patriotic company....and after all the fanfare the President (David McDonald) goes and sells the company to the french with the loss of hundreds of more american jobs. Seems to be that the only thing left made in America is debt and you can thank the union busting greedy "slave" owner mentality that has has risen its ugly face back into the America against workin men and women that we fought so hard to protect over the years, safety on the job, wages, health benefits and arbitration....the national scope of things today is a direct result of how so called "American" industries have manipulated the government.... our government, to line their pockets. My 2cents Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Aside from product opinion...Pelco past always claimed manufacturing all of its products in the USA....it has been swapping labels for years in its clovis "factory" all the while out sourceing to Korean and china - More BS from another so called American patriotic company....and after all the fanfare the President (David McDonald) goes and sells the company to the french with the loss of hundreds of more american jobs. Seems to be that the only thing left made in America is debt and you can thank the union busting greedy "slave" owner mentality that has has risen its ugly face back into the America against workin men and women that we fought so hard to protect over the years, safety on the job, wages, health benefits and arbitration....the national scope of things today is a direct result of how so called "American" industries have manipulated the government.... our government, to line their pockets. My 2cents Lolo, your observations are totally accurate and I could not agree more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Hey Survtech! How did you get that photo of me???? LOL! Anyone for a debate on crappy AVTech products?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
survtech 0 Posted October 8, 2008 I am not going to argue with you about a problem that you had with American Dynamics caused by few people and if this is what you are using not to like a company, then that is a something totally different that I am learning about you .... Tell us again why you dislike Pelco. I think my reasons for not liking AD are at least as legitimate as your reasons for not liking Pelco. If you do not have any real opinions about Bosch, then you should not make any judgments even about their pricing. I have checked their prices from time to time. I guess you are trying very strongly to persuade others, but will not and will never work for me... Are you suggesting I would want to ask you for a job? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CollinR 0 Posted October 8, 2008 Stop you guys, the OP is getting little help with the topic and it's going in a bad direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 9, 2008 I guess you are trying very strongly to persuade others, but will not and will never work for me... Are you suggesting I would want to ask you for a job? My good friend Survtech - you do not have what it takes to qualify, so do not even attempt talking about this. I do not have to say more to you... you are not worth my time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCTV_Suppliers 0 Posted October 9, 2008 Stop you guys, the OP is getting little help with the topic and it's going in a bad direction. Hey bud, I thought we are having fun, don't you think? As long as our good friend keeps up his good behavior, then we will never cross each other's roads... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
