Whats the differance?

[swampguinnie 0]

Sorry for my incompetance, but would somebody mind telling me the differance between a digital video system & a video surveillance system? as they are both listed on the forum as places to post threads and I reckon my first thread is in the wrong place.

 

Ideally I would like a 16 channel system that I can view remotely, any ideas on the cost would be nice.

I will be starting with 6 cameras and adding to at a later date.

 

Would somebody mind listing all the items needed for such a system so I can start to research and understand all the components a little more?

 

Thanks in advance

Marsh.

[scorpion 0]

http://eclipsecctv.com/16Channel_Security_DVRs.html

 

http://eclipsecctv.com/Color_Surveillance_Cameras.html

 

http://eclipsecctv.com/Connectors_and_cabling.html

 

http://eclipsecctv.com/Power_Supplies_Batteries.html

 

 

 

For a snooker hall I would use an expensive camera at the front door, and the back door, and I would use these for the tables, darts, and seating areas

 

http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-554_mini_camera.html

 

These are inexpensive. This will allow you to balance your budget.

 

I love this style of cameras

http://avssys.net/?s=product&sub=camera&cat=outdoor&p=vnd49ir

 

These are vari focal. This will allow you to set the camera so that you can watch a row of pool tables, or you can set it up close to watch a coin op device. There are some that go from 2.8mm (super wide) to 12mm.

 

Use this kind of wire

http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-WIREbLACK_siamese_cable.html

 

 

Here is how to install the connectors on the wire.

http://scorpiontheater.com/shoothouse.aspx

 

Scroll down through the pictures, and you can see how to cut the wire, and how to attach the BNC twist on connector, and how to put on a power pigtail.

 

Here are some notes that you can take to learn:

http://scorpiontheater.com/troubleshooting.aspx

 

What do you think?

[swampguinnie 0]

Thanks for the reply scorpion, very useful.

 

Anybody looking in, please would you describe the differance between a DVR & NVR and also which is best for remote viewing.

 

I think so far I have gathered that IP cameras are what is needed for remote viewing, but to keep the cost down could I use some IP's for remote viewing and some lesser quality simply to view & record on site?

 

Hang on scorpion , I just saw your lengthened answer. I have looket at the colour mini camera with wide angle lense and have 2 questions:-

 

as for remote viewing, is it all down to the DVR/NVR and not the camera?

 

in what will surely be varying light conditions, will the mini cameras be up to the job.

 

can i just go mad with the cabling now, send it all back to a central point for staff useage and add cameras as and when I have the DVR/NVR and find a camera that works very well in the conditions.

 

cheers again

marsh

Edited February 16, 2009 by Guest

[scorpion 0]

You maybe better off hiring someone to come out and set up your system.

 

There is too much to learn, and there are the details that can make, or break your system.

 

DVRs

Analog cameras that connect to the DVR

 

NVR

Network Video Recorder

Same as a DVR, but IP camera attach to NVRs

 

Hybrids

Where you attach analog cameras, and IP cameras.

 

There is a proper procedure to establish which is better for you, and there are too many to list.

 

Is security of the essence?

Is budget of the essence?

What is the threat level? (residence verses a bank, or a diamond store).

Night vision

Distance from camera for viewing (long throw lense verses wide angle)

Plastic lenses verses glass lenses.

Cheap compression, or security is of the essence compression?

Short runs for cameras rg59, or super long runs using cat 5?

 

Do you buy cheap and suffer with lack of tech support, or do you pay the extra, and pick up a phone everytime there is chaos?

 

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Remote viewing

 

You can use a DVR for remote viewing as well as IP cameras.

 

You can also hook analog cameras to video servers that put the camera on to the internet like an IP camera.

 

IP camera

 

Cheap, or expensive.

Regular video, or mega pixel IP cameras?

Bandwith limitations

Storage limitations

budget limitations

 

On, and on, and on!!!

[swampguinnie 0]

There is a proper procedure to establish which is better for you, and there are too many to list.

 

Is security of the essence?

Is budget of the essence?

What is the threat level? (residence verses a bank, or a diamond store).

Night vision

Distance from camera for viewing (long throw lense verses wide angle)

Plastic lenses verses glass lenses.

Cheap compression, or security is of the essence compression?

Short runs for cameras rg59, or super long runs using cat 5?

 

Do you buy cheap and suffer with lack of tech support, or do you pay the extra, and pick up a phone everytime there is chaos?

 

Quality of image is of the essence, along with remote viewing

Budget: Good foundations now and add the luxury cameras when I can was the plan

Threat level is low, but picture quality will stop the idiots being idiots and provide us peace of mind

Night vision not required as I am only concentrating on the one inside room for now. The original out of date system already installed is covering the rest of the areas. This system is just going to slowly evolve into its successor and start in the one room we have with very poor cameras.

The cameras will be viewing a maximum of 8 meters to the opposite wall and ideally will span a width of 6 meters

lenses beyond me

cable runs will be 30 meters max

 

I would love to hire a company to come and fit the perfect system, but times are hard in the UK just like the rest of the world & I am a professional fiddle fingers and will have to rise to the challenge of this installation, so I will have to work the bugs out unfortunately.

 

So for starters, its down to a case of do I buy a NVR or a DVR? Which provide the best and easiest remote viewing. Armed with that, I will add cameras as I can afford them.

Bandwith at main viewing station is 5.5kbps download speed

 

I have seen how to DIY a NVR on here and it goes like this

 

For a NVR server - do not buy some extra costly Dell systems, just do it yourself. Get for example SuperMicro chasis SC828TQ-R1200LPB, chuck in some Western Digital 1TB hard drives(I suggest model number WD1002FBYS, its for RAID), drop in Intel Xeon Quad Core X3360 2.83GHz, FSB1333, 12M, S775 processor, some memory and off you go. Easy mate Good luck.

what could be simpler than that to sort out my storage, lol