Best Camera of this type

[dopalgangr 1]

All,

 

I've searched the forum and couldn't really find anything recent on this. I need to install some of the below pictured style cameras outdoors (need to be this type for concealment purposes). I plan on using separate IR's but want the best low light capabilities. They need to be high res (over 540) with lux rating of .1 or lower, Dat/Night, Sony Exview CCD, weather proof, excellent quality, 3.9mm lens, and possibly have a built in IRC Filter. I'm sorta pressed for time on getting them so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

 

Thanks,

Glen

 

Edited August 6, 2009 by Guest

[dopalgangr 1]

Thanks for the reply, I was actually looking for one that had excellent night capabilities and preferably the Sony Exview CCD. I didn't see anything like that on your website (unless I just missed it), do you have anything with those specs?

[dopalgangr 1]

Anyone familar with these? KT&C KPC-EXH190SWX http://www.ktnc.co.kr/english/viewtopic.php?t=395 or this one KPC-VF353SHW http://www.ktnc.co.kr/english/viewtopic.php?t=376

[CCTV_Suppliers 0]

Thanks for the reply, I was actually looking for one that had excellent night capabilities and preferably the Sony Exview CCD. I didn't see anything like that on your website (unless I just missed it), do you have anything with those specs?

 

As a bullet camera, that one came close in specs and looks... sorry bud... do not have many variations of bullet cameras that fits the bill...

[dopalgangr 1]

Hows about this one, anyone ever use it? It looks like it has alot of features. http://www.videocamerasecurity.com/VBX-3516V56H/VBX-3516V56H.pdf

[Tailbone215 0]

Hows about this one, anyone ever use it? It looks like it has alot of features. http://www.videocamerasecurity.com/VBX-3516V56H/VBX-3516V56H.pdf

 

Specs look OK "0.2Lux(Day), 0.005(Night) (F:1.2)" for lighting performance. I'm skeptical of published specs these days when it come to cameras I'm sticking with name brands instead of sampling these unknown variables as it is getting too expensive.

[dopalgangr 1]

Specs look OK "0.2Lux(Day), 0.005(Night) (F:1.2)" for lighting performance. I'm skeptical of published specs these days when it come to cameras I'm sticking with name brands instead of sampling these unknown variables as it is getting too expensive.

 

I here ya!! The company doesn't have a phone number either I've been trying to find out who makes the camera and who else may sell it but I cant seem (through Google) to find anything even remotely similair with all the same features and construction. I may have to take one for the team on this one and buy one to test...

[Tailbone215 0]

Specs look OK "0.2Lux(Day), 0.005(Night) (F:1.2)" for lighting performance. I'm skeptical of published specs these days when it come to cameras I'm sticking with name brands instead of sampling these unknown variables as it is getting too expensive.

 

I here ya!! The company doesn't have a phone number either I've been trying to find out who makes the camera and who else may sell it but I cant seem (through Google) to find anything even remotely similair with all the same features and construction. I may have to take one for the team on this one and buy one to test...

 

I hope it works for you. I've been using some Bosch VDN-495 domes and am very pleased with the day/night performance. The little bullet cams look tempting, but be careful of the small size at it makes one wonder if there's enough room for a mechanical ICR. For me, no mechanical ICR in a day/night cam, no buy! I found this out the hard way with that Speco crap.

[dopalgangr 1]

I'm sure there's better stuff out there, unfortunately for this application the cameras need to remain not necessarily hidden but small and obscure. Not to mention I only have $1100 to work with (dvr and everything!) Its for a small town police dept's off-site property where my brothers a cop at so I told him I would do it gratis.

[Tailbone215 0]

I'm sure there's better stuff out there, unfortunately for this application the cameras need to remain not necessarily hidden but small and obscure. Not to mention I only have $1100 to work with (dvr and everything!) Its for a small town police dept's off-site property where my brothers a cop at so I told him I would do it gratis.

 

OUCH!!

 

Starting out cheap is definitely going to make this project a tough one. At least you have a Nuvico cam to throw into the pot. I really can't think of any inexpensive cams worth using.

[dopalgangr 1]

Well, heres what I got from the company, I dont know why it would not be IR sensitive though as he states with that chipset??? The video doesnt impress me even if its only CIF. Whats your thoughts?

 

Glen,

 

Thank You for your email. The 9-22mm bullet is now the 3.5-16mm VBX-3516V56H : http://www.videocamerasecurity.net/servlet/the-83/VCSDVR-VBX-dsh-3516V56H-Varifocal-Bullet/Detail The camera is warrantied through videocamerasecurity.com. IR cut filter is automatic, switches to B/W in low light, but is not sensitive to IR illumination.

 

The samples I have were on a portable DVR with 352×240 resolution, so you can't see the full D1 resolution with this recorded playback: B/W: http://www.videocamerasecurity.com/VBX-3516V56H/VBX-bw.ASF

 

Color: http://www.videocamerasecurity.com/VBX-3516V56H/VBX-color.ASF

 

The manufacturer and I are under a non-disclosure agreement, since this camera is OEM manufactured for my product line. I will say that one of the biggest automobile manufacturers in the world has their backup cameras OEM manufactured from this manufacturer, and the quality is rock solid. Thank You,Keith

[rory 0]

KT&C is the only one really that you will find making those any more.

they have a whole bunch of different types, some good some bad. B/W Exview would be the best for night vision other then that if its Day Night it will be a larger bullet camera.

 

Just goto any distributor that carries KT&C and they should have an up to date list of all those cameras and prices.

 

Rory

[rory 0]

Well, heres what I got from the company, I dont know why it would not be IR sensitive though as he states with that chipset??? The video doesnt impress me even if its only CIF. Whats your thoughts?

 

Glen,

 

Thank You for your email. The 9-22mm bullet is now the 3.5-16mm VBX-3516V56H : http://www.videocamerasecurity.net/servlet/the-83/VCSDVR-VBX-dsh-3516V56H-Varifocal-Bullet/Detail The camera is warrantied through videocamerasecurity.com. IR cut filter is automatic, switches to B/W in low light, but is not sensitive to IR illumination.

 

The samples I have were on a portable DVR with 352×240 resolution, so you can't see the full D1 resolution with this recorded playback: B/W: http://www.videocamerasecurity.com/VBX-3516V56H/VBX-bw.ASF

 

Color: http://www.videocamerasecurity.com/VBX-3516V56H/VBX-color.ASF

 

The manufacturer and I are under a non-disclosure agreement, since this camera is OEM manufactured for my product line. I will say that one of the biggest automobile manufacturers in the world has their backup cameras OEM manufactured from this manufacturer, and the quality is rock solid. Thank You,Keith

 

far as I can tell .. and I could be wrong. Its not a True Day Night Camera.

 

Sony Exview bullet cameras started doing this from a few years back, when i was using Provideo Exview color bullet. It use to be a low light color then one day out of the blue their manufacturer changed it, so it was color but switched to a digitally enhanced BW mode. This appeared to be consistent with other Exview cameras though, so seems it was a switch up at Sony.

 

As most color cameras, it has a fixed IR cut filter - hence the greens etc look normal in color mode (even my $50 color bullet has that). That is one way they can cut down on the price, and size. Under low light it then takes out the chroma (kills the color) which produces a BW image. I didnt find the BW mode from the exview chip worth much though, its okay but really not of any use compared to a True Day Night camera with a real BW mode and no IR cut filter on (auto switching). Better overall is a BW only camera though, for night clubs that is what you need.

 

Lets get one thing clear though, it is NOT a BW Exview camera, that would be much better in low light. Also, Exview is 0.01 lux BW Only chip, 0.1 Lux color (normal BW camera is 0.1 Lux) so i would take those specs with a grain of salt.

 

Camera looks interesting though, but I would hardly call it a Day Night, and definitely not a True Day Night, as I had that same argument with provideo way back when. Interesting part is the varifocal lens and it being so thin - that could be good or bad though.

 

Rory

 

disclaimer. I cant speak for provideo current cameras, so dont take my word for it, nor this camera that is mentioned here. this is opinion only.

[rory 0]

also see this thread

http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=69883

[dopalgangr 1]

also see this thread

http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=69883

 

Ah yes, I remember that thread now. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Your right about the digitally enhanced B/W, is that maybe why he states its not IR sensitive? Going back to that thread from 2007, what camera are you currently using to satisfy this situation?

 

**Edit reading through that thread it looks like I did this same type of research then and even posted a link Man am I getting old and senile or what I also posted for pm's if anyone came across those but I never received any. Hopefully by now someone has a solution

[rory 0]

yes it is the same color exviews we dealt with in the past, its not day night, at least i dont consider it day night, and i dont think it should be sold as such. the chroma is just cut out to fake a BW mode. ir cut filter is fixed so it will never pick up infrared.

 

dont worry i cant remember half of what i wrote on here before

[long520 0]

i am sure you should find it from china,why?because too many camera manufacturers,maybe ther can Custom the camera for u.at least from the outside of camera , I knew that there are 30 manufacturers can produce, and even the pinhole i had look.

[rory 0]

also see this thread

http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=69883

 

Ah yes, I remember that thread now. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Your right about the digitally enhanced B/W, is that maybe why he states its not IR sensitive? Going back to that thread from 2007, what camera are you currently using to satisfy this situation?

 

**Edit reading through that thread it looks like I did this same type of research then and even posted a link Man am I getting old and senile or what I also posted for pm's if anyone came across those but I never received any. Hopefully by now someone has a solution

 

Here i am digging up an old thread, but for a good reason.

Ive been going over the bullet cameras on the market right now, ofcourse there are millions of them, but im just sticking to KT&C and CNB for now, KT&C being one of the only players still doing BW bullets.

 

I used their 600TVL Exview bullet before and was not happy with it, was not exview type low light, I had a standard bullet that outperformed it. Anyway, after going through the KT&C site, it is this simple, the standard res bullets of 420TVL are 0.0003 faceplate (0.05lux?), while the 600TVL bullets are 0.003 faceplate (0.5lux?). Cant even find this Exview model on the KT&C site, but used the other Exviews and High Res bullets to reach this conclusion. In addition the online stores advertise the above faceplate levels for each camera.

 

It then came to me that Extreme also uses lower res cameras in their BW cameras with IR, and this seems to be a common thing across manufacturer lines. So basically seems if you want to see in lower light, get the 420TVL Exview version.

 

Also, KTC has the KPC-S50NV1 which is a B/W IR camera. http://www.ktnc.co.kr/english/viewtopic.php?t=554 Im going to probably try this out at the night club in a couple areas (pitch dark 24/7) as its pretty inexpensive.

 

Also worth a mention, would like to see where these cameras go, if they are any good: (HQ1 chip had problems with Geovision DVR though, black borders)

http://www.ktnc.co.kr/english/viewtopic.php?t=365

http://www.ktnc.co.kr/english/viewtopic.php?t=375

http://www.ktnc.co.kr/english/viewtopic.php?t=582

http://www.cnbusa.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=1027

http://www.cnbusa.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=1026

http://www.cnbusa.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=1025

 

and CNB is pushing this new CHIP they came out with called monalisa:

http://www.cnbusa.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=1071

id like to try one first before i start advertising them though, i see some issues with their specs.

 

Monalisa:

This new technology provides a sharper, high quality image and enhances the low-light sensitivity. What that means, is that the MONA LISA chipset allows for brighter and better visibility in low-light settings. The BLC (back light compensation) from this chipset dulls out bright light for better visibility during daytime. The DNR (digital noise reduction) efficiently reduces video noise and trailing effect to provide a pure, clear picture.

[dopalgangr 1]

Thanks Rory for the update. I'm gonna check those out as well.

[Sawbones 0]

Yep... I also fell for the Speco no-ICR day/night camera thing.

 

Never again.

 

If it has no IR-cut filter, it's NOT a true day/night cam (excepting, of course, the dual-imager mobotix and arecont setups)