I was in a bank, looking to rob it...

[dino_squirrel 0]

when I noticed they had a lot of Pelo ccc1370h's and I thought twice! Kidding of course <- (necessary disclaimer for the morons out there, and you know who you are! Or do you?).

 

But I was wondering, why are the Pelco's so much smaller than pretty much every camera that is in open air, ie AM/PM, 7/11, other banks, etc.

 

I still haven't done my system yet, but always get the info on every camera I see so I can research it. Most of these guys don't have images or videos for demo purposes, I find that annoying.

 

Soundy - The floor is yours!

[Soundy 1]

Soundy - The floor is yours!

 

I HAVE NO OPINION ON THE MATTER!

 

But I was wondering, why are the Pelco's so much smaller than pretty much every camera that is in open air, ie AM/PM, 7/11, other banks, etc.

Maybe the question should be, why are all the other box cameras so much bigger? They certainly don't need to be these days, except maybe those like the Panny CP484s that cram a whole motorized auto-backfocus assembly in there as well

 

I know with some of the older ones, like the National NLC5500/5700, Panny CP224s and such, they actually have a transformer inside (I've never dug in far enough to see if it's part of the power supply or something to do with balanced video output... I suspect the former).

 

I suspect with newer cameras, it's as much to maintain the "classic" camera look, although I'm sure some of is space for additional processing, power supply, etc.

 

I still haven't done my system yet, but always get the info on every camera I see so I can research it. Most of these guys don't have images or videos for demo purposes, I find that annoying.

My experience, the 1370 is pretty good for a small-form-factor camera, although not as good over a broad range of conditions as its larger 3701/3751 brothers.

[rory 0]

Nothing new, GE had them for years, Panasonic have them.

The ones Ive used get really hot and also dont quite have as good an image.

May as well just get a dome.

[danger_e 0]

Agreed. Plus, domes are becoming easier and easier to install. I've dealt with some dome cameras that come with a little adapter that's designed for drop ceilings. This means no large pieces of hardware to mount to the wall, the camera just goes right in the drop ceiling and there are no exposed cables.

 

As far as box cameras go, I think that part of the equation might just have to do with public perception. People know and recognize large box cameras as CCTV, and seeing those big cameras may be a large deterrent, at least in convenience stores (I doubt that it's a valid deterrent in banks anymore).

 

Do you guys think that's a valid observation, or am I full of it?

[rory 0]

it might be a deterrent to basic inhouse theft .. but the real criminals dont check at least down here .. they will go right up to the camera and laugh at it before they stab or shoot or just rob someone.

[danger_e 0]

Okay, it official: I'm never leaving the Pacific Northwest again.

[crosseyed66 0]

I personally sell a lot of the larger cameras in High Crime areas for their Deterrent effect, the most effective being the public view monitor. When we install a system, the customer is getting his money's worth if the system is deterring or preventing theft as well as just recording it for him to view after the fact.

We have had installs where they had employees quit as soon as we installed the system, and other places where the profits suddenly increased. You know that there were employees with sticky fingers that now know that they could be caught if they do it, and that knowledge is enough to put a stop to it. On the other hand we had a customer that we installed a system, and the first week that the system was active he caught 5 employees "sweet hearting" friends and families (and these were employees that had been with him since he had opened the store) and he figures that the system paid for itself in that first week alone. The funny thing about it is that the employees watched us doing the install, and figured that the owner would never check up on them.

The sad reality about employee thefts is that even when you do catch them and prosecute them, you are lucky if you ever get your money back. The court will order restitution, but they have to pay fines and court cost first. Then they let them make payments that stretch out over years,

[survtech 0]

The Pelco CCC1300H-2 and its successors, the CCC1370H-2, CCC1380H-6 and now the C10CH-6 are an excellent basic camera that were designed to fit, with lens, in Pelco's DF-5 back boxes. In actuality, the cameras are manufactured by Fujitsu (although Pelco won't admit it).

 

http://www.fujitsu-general.com/global/products/camera/survei/index.html

 

The CCC1300/1370/1380 are basically Fujitsu CG-321N / P. The CCC1390 was a Fujitsu CG-301N / P. The C10CH-6 is a CG-531N / P.

 

The original CCC-series were very popular in casinos, although the DSP functions or chipset differences make the C10CH-6 less popular due to a "raggedness" in the picture that didn't appear on any of the CCC-series cameras.

 

When questioned by our distributor, Fujitsu refused to provide any U.S. sources for the cameras; claiming we had to buy them from their importer but refusing to divulge who that importer is (Pelco, of course).

Edited October 4, 2010 by Guest

[Soundy 1]

it might be a deterrent to basic inhouse theft .. but the real criminals dont check at least down here .. they will go right up to the camera and laugh at it before they stab or shoot or just rob someone.

Don't ever apply for a job with Bahamas Tourism.

[rory 0]

it might be a deterrent to basic inhouse theft .. but the real criminals dont check at least down here .. they will go right up to the camera and laugh at it before they stab or shoot or just rob someone.

Don't ever apply for a job with Bahamas Tourism.

ha ha no doubt

Well I really only mean this island .. the other 699 islands are almost crime free

[rory 0]

Panasonic WV-CP254H

 

GE KTC-215CC/240 (discontinued?)

[survtech 0]

Panasonic WV-CP254H

Rory,

 

The biggest problem with many cameras (including the WV-CP254H) is the lack of a defeatable AGC. According to Panasonic:

AGC Level Selector

AGC level can be selected with this selector.

AGC automatically controls the gain of Image brightness level.

HI: This setting raises more the gain and brightness of images under low light conditions.

LOW: Normal position

 

Low does not equal off. Even low AGC tends to muddy high contrast images (like playing cards) to the point that values and suits are unrecognizable. Otherwise, it would be an excellent choice, along with the Sanyo cubes:

 

VCC5884E and VCC5884EA

 

and the Ikegami cubes:

 

ICD-505

 

Watec also makes some very small CS-mount CCTV cameras. The problem is that many of their cameras require odd voltages, like 6VDC, 9VDC, 12VDC or 15VDC.

 

Watec 250D