noooodlez 0 Posted February 9, 2011 Hi, I have been tasked with looking at setting up an internal cctv system at our factory. I have a budget of IRO £1000, although this could be pushed if I could show a potential benefit. I have a good cat5e infrastructure and spare capacity all over my building. Here is a blank spec for what I am trying to achieve: 3 fixed / 2 pan tilt cameras. Day/night would be nice. Ability to remote view the cameras (off site). Ability to record images (say 1/sec - we could supply a dedicated PC). Poe would be nice. What kit would we need and what are the constraints? Ability to move cameras to new locations on demand. Expandable to up-to 12 cams. I am a network guy, I'm not a CCTV guy, I have done some searching, but there are masses of cameras/systems out there and it is very difficult to make decisions without experience, hence I thought I'd ask you guys!! Any one with any experience? Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks Steven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neutech 0 Posted February 9, 2011 £1000 budget will get you maybe 2 PTZ cameras .... thats it Im not being funny but your budget is way way to small for what your trying to achieve If your serious speak to a professional supplier not what you see for sale on ebay or misco or dabs etc you need to decide IP or analogue? your exsisting network wont do the job, you may be able to use some of the cat5 and fit baluns for analogue use but use a low voltage cable and a power hub to run the cameras not a good idea to run power and signal up a cat5 if possible Good luck with your project Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noooodlez 0 Posted February 11, 2011 Hi Neutech, I am aware that £1000 is very tight, but we are happy to look at cheaper kit and have the niggles any bugs that go with it. I was considering some kit along the lines of.. Cameras. [edit by mod, store link removed] Vivotek_IP7135 [edit by mod, store link removed] Vivotek_PT3122 PoE Kit. [edit by mod, store link removed] PoE-Kit-12V-Injector-Splitter. I would tend to agree, data and power down the same line screams of problems, but surely they cant sell this kit if it doesnt work can they? I'm trying to ascertain if this sort of solution is viable, and get people's gut feeling of where I should go. (Increased budget, dont touch PoE etc?) Any ideas? Many Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 190 Posted February 11, 2011 hi noooodlez. like has been posted £1000 budget for a 12 camera system cant happen. even if you go and buy secondhand your budget is still to low. and the cameras you have posted .... they are just for home indoor use. pointless for a warehouse. what is your max budget and what value are you ptotecting. i take it you want your system to work if anything happends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noooodlez 0 Posted February 11, 2011 Hi Guys, The budget point keeps coming back!! We need the system to be expandable up to 12 camera, but initially we only want 5 initially (2 fixed, 3 PTZ). 3x fixed [edit by mod, store link removed] = £344 2x [edit by mod, store link removed] = £397 5x POE Injectors = £250 Total £991 The only reason I am considering IP cameras is because we have the infrastructure, and also we need the system to be flexible. Yes, cheap indoor cameras are suitable for the environment. I have been testing one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 190 Posted February 11, 2011 Hi Guys, The budget point keeps coming back!! We need the system to be expandable up to 12 camera, but initially we only want 5 initially (2 fixed, 3 PTZ). 3x fixed [edit by mod, store link removed] = £344 2x [edit by mod, store link removed] = £397 5x POE Injectors = £250 Total £991 The only reason I am considering IP cameras is because we have the infrastructure, and also we need the system to be flexible. Yes, cheap indoor cameras are suitable for the environment. I have been testing one. yes your budget does keep comming up and you have got it down to £991. not bad you have saved yourself £9. dont pat yourself on the back too quick. now you need to record it all. looking at the cameras that you intend to use. will not protect a warehouse and 3 you have listed as PTZ (no there not) and going ip you need to keep the network all together for your system dont link in and out of your existing infrastructure. with £1000 i would just install a 4 camera system and stay away from your ip ..... it will do more and protect more than the system you have listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noooodlez 0 Posted February 11, 2011 Hi, A fixed system wouldnt fit with our spec. It needs to be flexible and we need to move cameras around as requirements change. I'm not trying to protect anything, we are a machining company and we need to perform time and motion studies on our workflow. CCTV is far more efficient than men with clipboards!! We wont be covering our warehouse, I doubt we'd see much motion down there anywhere!! Image quality or frame rate are not critical, but flexibility is! The advice on PoE is interesting. I am considering alternatives to this. Steven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted February 11, 2011 PoE Kit. [edit by mod, store link removed] PoE-Kit-12V-Injector-Splitter. I would tend to agree, data and power down the same line screams of problems, but surely they cant sell this kit if it doesnt work can they? Hahahaahah, of course they can. There are some pretty unscrupulous sellers on teh internetz. In any case, there's nothing wrong with PoE - we use it regularly and it works great. Some companies' entire infrastructures use it - PoE isn't just for cameras, it's used regularly for IP phone sets, wireless access points, and plenty of other things. For my money, PoE is THE first choice for IP cameras - I just recently discovered the joy of being able to remote-power-cycle a PoE camera from the switch's admin interface PoE really isn't that complicated: in its simplest form, it just uses the two pairs in a Cat5 cable that are normally unused by 10/100 ethernet, but the spec also allows the data pairs to be used. It really is a well-established standard, not just some hack-job idea that just appeared on the scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sawbones 0 Posted February 11, 2011 PoE is the way to go... hands-down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
