matht4 0 Posted February 26, 2011 Hi Guys, I have been reading thriug the posts but nothing quite fits my problem, This is my first time posting so hopefully somebody can give me some help. I have just purchased a 4 camera colour CCTV system with 100gb hard drive. The software was pre installed so essentially it was plug and play. I have all the cameras in place and connected, with the image running to a LCD tv mounted on the wall, this is via BNC to the yellow connection in the tv. the camera system is below http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FULL-CCTV-Security-System-KIT-outdoor-Colour-Cameras-UK-/290500617883?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item895f3f61f9#ht_3782wt_782 I can recieve a picture but it is heavily distorted and switching between black and white and colour. I have checked that the camera cables are running nowhere near any electrical cables and insured that there was no visible damage to them. I am really at my wits end now as I don't know what else to check. I have tried trying to run it to my PC monitor via VGA and I still get the same distorted image. The image is un watchable and just bounces on the display screen.. Could it be a faulty DVR ? any help or advice would be much appreciated. !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 190 Posted February 26, 2011 it depends on what your images look like. with that power supply included you will not be able to run the cameras far from the dvr. start with the lead kits.......... no point using them. you will need some RG59 with power and upgrade your power supply. but its what quality you are expecting to get from your system. you have to look at the products you have. dvr = £65 cameras £12 each forget how your image looks and try and use functions on your dvr ........... try and burn some footage off .... see if you can play it back on your pc. before you do any cable or power upgrades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matht4 0 Posted February 26, 2011 Tom Thanks, You say it will not power the four cameras ? ? it is supplied with a 4 way splitter and is then running through 4 20 meter cables before powering the cameras. Is there anything I can do to improve this apart from getting 3 other adapters and powering them individually ? Sorry I ma complete novice I know. I am setting up a small simple system for my mothers pub. I have never purchased a system before and had a limited budget I thought the system we got for under just under £300 was reasonable. I did have a play with the setting and functions of the box while testing and I was rather impressed. if I could fix my display problems I think it will do the job intended. Only time will tell ! thanks again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 190 Posted February 26, 2011 Tom Thanks, You say it will not power the four cameras ? ? it is supplied with a 4 way splitter and is then running through 4 20 meter cables before powering the cameras. Is there anything I can do to improve this apart from getting 3 other adapters and powering them individually ? Sorry I ma complete novice I know. I am setting up a small simple system for my mothers pub. I have never purchased a system before and had a limited budget I thought the system we got for under just under £300 was reasonable. I did have a play with the setting and functions of the box while testing and I was rather impressed. if I could fix my display problems I think it will do the job intended. Only time will tell ! martht4, if this unit is for a pub in the uk ...... then you have a problem. and the cameras and the dvr do not stand up to the uk licencing law. CCTV must be installed, operated and maintained to the satisfaction of the Licensing Authority. put yours back on ebay and buy something that will do the job. thanks again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted February 27, 2011 martht4, if this unit is for a pub in the uk ...... then you have a problem. and the cameras and the dvr do not stand up to the uk licencing law. CCTV must be installed, operated and maintained to the satisfaction of the Licensing Authority. put yours back on ebay and buy something that will do the job. thanks again Id love to see what cameras that licensing law suggests for bars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ak357 0 Posted February 27, 2011 Id love to see what cameras that licensing law suggests for bars. CCTV in pubs –FAQs UK What is the law which allows licensing authorities to make CCTV a condition of granting an alcohol licence? The Licensing Act 2003 governs the application and granting of licences for premises to sell alcohol. Licensing authorities, in most cases the local authority, have to determine the granting of a licence in line with the “licensing objectives”, which are: a) the prevention of crime and disorder; b) public safety; c) the prevention of public nuisance; and d) the protection of children from harm. Does this mean that licensing authorities can set any conditions they choose on a licence? No, conditions which are placed on a licence must be consistent with the details contained in the application for a licence, such as the plan of the bar or the times that alcohol might be provided, and must help to meet the licensing objectives. Licensing authorities are also bound, as public bodies, to ensure that they act in accordance with the provisions of the Human Rights Act 1998 and that any processing of CCTV is necessary and proportionate to meet a legitimate aim. In addition, any retention, use or disclosure of personal information caught on CCTV must be carried out in line with the data protection principles. Can the police insist that CCTV is installed as a condition of a licence? No, but they are entitled to ask the licensing authority to make CCTV installation a condition of license. However, the licensing authority makes the ultimate decision on which conditions are imposed on determination of the licence. When determining a licence application, the licensing authority must take into account any “relevant representations” made by “interested parties” (such as local residents or businesses) and “responsible authorities”, such as the Chief Officer of the local police services. While these representations must be taken into account, the licensing authority is not bound by them and is not obliged to place any conditions on the licence that are recommended by local police services. Beyond mandatory conditions in the Licensing Act 2003, the licensing authority may only set further conditions where it considers these are necessary to meet the licensing objectives. CCTV is not one of the mandatory conditions and should only be imposed where this helps to meet one of the licensing objectives. It is important to note that it is the licensing authority, not the police service, which makes the final decision on licence conditions. Are licensing authorities aware of this? Yes. Both the Department of Culture Media and Sport and LACORS (The Local Authorities Coordinators of Regulatory Services) have produced guidance for licensing 22 September 2009 22 September 2009 authorities which makes it clear that CCTV should not be introduced as a matter of course, only where there is a justifiable reason for doing so. What if a licensee wants to challenge a decision to make the installation of CCTV a condition of an alcohol licence? Any appeal against a decision by the licensing authority should be taken through the normal licensing appeals process. Does this mean the ICO is opposed to any use of CCTV in licensed premises? No. The ICO can see that there is real value in installing CCTV on those licensed premises which have a history of being connected with crime or anti-social behaviour and where this is likely to continue in the future. How does the Data Protection Act 1998 apply to CCTV images? The Data Protection Act 1998 (the Act) regulates the holding and processing of personal information that relates to living individuals and which is contained in or related to images captured using CCTV. What responsibilities does the licensee have for images caught on CCTV? Under the Data Protection Act 1998, the licensee is the data controller for any CCTV images caught on cameras in their premises which can be used to identify an individual. Licensees must ensure that all CCTV images that can be used to identify an individual are captured on camera, used, stored and disclosed in line with the data protection principles. It is important that signs are displayed explaining that CCTV is in operation. Other than in exceptional circumstances any sound recording function on the CCTV system should be disabled. Further guidance on these and other matters is available in our CCTV Code of Practice. Licensees are also required to notify as a data controller to the ICO and pay an annual fee of £35.00. When can a licensee disclose CCTV images to the police or other third party? The Data Protection Act 1998 allows for CCTV images which can be used to identify an individual to be handed over for the prevention or detection of crime, the prosecution or apprehension of offenders or where the disclosure is required by law, for example, where an officer of the licensing authority is checking that CCTV is being used in accordance with the conditions of a particular license. While many licensing conditions stipulate that licensees should provide CCTV images to the police “on request”, the requirements of the Data Protection Act 1998 are such that such disclosure should be necessary for investigating or preventing a crime or apprehending or prosecuting an offender. As such the police must be able to justify their requests for CCTV images to be disclosed to them. 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matht4 0 Posted February 27, 2011 I am really just looking for installation advice. Like I have said I am happy with the system and it has already been checked by my license officer to insure it meets the standard, which it does. If I could sort the picture issue out they will be perfect. Id love to see what cameras that licensing law suggests for bars. CCTV in pubs –FAQs UK What is the law which allows licensing authorities to make CCTV a condition of granting an alcohol licence? The Licensing Act 2003 governs the application and granting of licences for premises to sell alcohol. Licensing authorities, in most cases the local authority, have to determine the granting of a licence in line with the “licensing objectives”, which are: a) the prevention of crime and disorder; b) public safety; c) the prevention of public nuisance; and d) the protection of children from harm. Does this mean that licensing authorities can set any conditions they choose on a licence? No, conditions which are placed on a licence must be consistent with the details contained in the application for a licence, such as the plan of the bar or the times that alcohol might be provided, and must help to meet the licensing objectives. Licensing authorities are also bound, as public bodies, to ensure that they act in accordance with the provisions of the Human Rights Act 1998 and that any processing of CCTV is necessary and proportionate to meet a legitimate aim. In addition, any retention, use or disclosure of personal information caught on CCTV must be carried out in line with the data protection principles. Can the police insist that CCTV is installed as a condition of a licence? No, but they are entitled to ask the licensing authority to make CCTV installation a condition of license. However, the licensing authority makes the ultimate decision on which conditions are imposed on determination of the licence. When determining a licence application, the licensing authority must take into account any “relevant representations” made by “interested parties” (such as local residents or businesses) and “responsible authorities”, such as the Chief Officer of the local police services. While these representations must be taken into account, the licensing authority is not bound by them and is not obliged to place any conditions on the licence that are recommended by local police services. Beyond mandatory conditions in the Licensing Act 2003, the licensing authority may only set further conditions where it considers these are necessary to meet the licensing objectives. CCTV is not one of the mandatory conditions and should only be imposed where this helps to meet one of the licensing objectives. It is important to note that it is the licensing authority, not the police service, which makes the final decision on licence conditions. Are licensing authorities aware of this? Yes. Both the Department of Culture Media and Sport and LACORS (The Local Authorities Coordinators of Regulatory Services) have produced guidance for licensing 22 September 2009 22 September 2009 authorities which makes it clear that CCTV should not be introduced as a matter of course, only where there is a justifiable reason for doing so. What if a licensee wants to challenge a decision to make the installation of CCTV a condition of an alcohol licence? Any appeal against a decision by the licensing authority should be taken through the normal licensing appeals process. Does this mean the ICO is opposed to any use of CCTV in licensed premises? No. The ICO can see that there is real value in installing CCTV on those licensed premises which have a history of being connected with crime or anti-social behaviour and where this is likely to continue in the future. How does the Data Protection Act 1998 apply to CCTV images? The Data Protection Act 1998 (the Act) regulates the holding and processing of personal information that relates to living individuals and which is contained in or related to images captured using CCTV. What responsibilities does the licensee have for images caught on CCTV? Under the Data Protection Act 1998, the licensee is the data controller for any CCTV images caught on cameras in their premises which can be used to identify an individual. Licensees must ensure that all CCTV images that can be used to identify an individual are captured on camera, used, stored and disclosed in line with the data protection principles. It is important that signs are displayed explaining that CCTV is in operation. Other than in exceptional circumstances any sound recording function on the CCTV system should be disabled. Further guidance on these and other matters is available in our CCTV Code of Practice. Licensees are also required to notify as a data controller to the ICO and pay an annual fee of £35.00. When can a licensee disclose CCTV images to the police or other third party? The Data Protection Act 1998 allows for CCTV images which can be used to identify an individual to be handed over for the prevention or detection of crime, the prosecution or apprehension of offenders or where the disclosure is required by law, for example, where an officer of the licensing authority is checking that CCTV is being used in accordance with the conditions of a particular license. While many licensing conditions stipulate that licensees should provide CCTV images to the police “on request”, the requirements of the Data Protection Act 1998 are such that such disclosure should be necessary for investigating or preventing a crime or apprehending or prosecuting an offender. As such the police must be able to justify their requests for CCTV images to be disclosed to them. Id love to see what cameras that licensing law suggests for bars. CCTV in pubs –FAQs UK What is the law which allows licensing authorities to make CCTV a condition of granting an alcohol licence? The Licensing Act 2003 governs the application and granting of licences for premises to sell alcohol. Licensing authorities, in most cases the local authority, have to determine the granting of a licence in line with the “licensing objectives”, which are: a) the prevention of crime and disorder; b) public safety; c) the prevention of public nuisance; and d) the protection of children from harm. Does this mean that licensing authorities can set any conditions they choose on a licence? No, conditions which are placed on a licence must be consistent with the details contained in the application for a licence, such as the plan of the bar or the times that alcohol might be provided, and must help to meet the licensing objectives. Licensing authorities are also bound, as public bodies, to ensure that they act in accordance with the provisions of the Human Rights Act 1998 and that any processing of CCTV is necessary and proportionate to meet a legitimate aim. In addition, any retention, use or disclosure of personal information caught on CCTV must be carried out in line with the data protection principles. Can the police insist that CCTV is installed as a condition of a licence? No, but they are entitled to ask the licensing authority to make CCTV installation a condition of license. However, the licensing authority makes the ultimate decision on which conditions are imposed on determination of the licence. When determining a licence application, the licensing authority must take into account any “relevant representations” made by “interested parties” (such as local residents or businesses) and “responsible authorities”, such as the Chief Officer of the local police services. While these representations must be taken into account, the licensing authority is not bound by them and is not obliged to place any conditions on the licence that are recommended by local police services. Beyond mandatory conditions in the Licensing Act 2003, the licensing authority may only set further conditions where it considers these are necessary to meet the licensing objectives. CCTV is not one of the mandatory conditions and should only be imposed where this helps to meet one of the licensing objectives. It is important to note that it is the licensing authority, not the police service, which makes the final decision on licence conditions. Are licensing authorities aware of this? Yes. Both the Department of Culture Media and Sport and LACORS (The Local Authorities Coordinators of Regulatory Services) have produced guidance for licensing 22 September 2009 22 September 2009 authorities which makes it clear that CCTV should not be introduced as a matter of course, only where there is a justifiable reason for doing so. What if a licensee wants to challenge a decision to make the installation of CCTV a condition of an alcohol licence? Any appeal against a decision by the licensing authority should be taken through the normal licensing appeals process. Does this mean the ICO is opposed to any use of CCTV in licensed premises? No. The ICO can see that there is real value in installing CCTV on those licensed premises which have a history of being connected with crime or anti-social behaviour and where this is likely to continue in the future. How does the Data Protection Act 1998 apply to CCTV images? The Data Protection Act 1998 (the Act) regulates the holding and processing of personal information that relates to living individuals and which is contained in or related to images captured using CCTV. What responsibilities does the licensee have for images caught on CCTV? Under the Data Protection Act 1998, the licensee is the data controller for any CCTV images caught on cameras in their premises which can be used to identify an individual. Licensees must ensure that all CCTV images that can be used to identify an individual are captured on camera, used, stored and disclosed in line with the data protection principles. It is important that signs are displayed explaining that CCTV is in operation. Other than in exceptional circumstances any sound recording function on the CCTV system should be disabled. Further guidance on these and other matters is available in our CCTV Code of Practice. Licensees are also required to notify as a data controller to the ICO and pay an annual fee of £35.00. When can a licensee disclose CCTV images to the police or other third party? The Data Protection Act 1998 allows for CCTV images which can be used to identify an individual to be handed over for the prevention or detection of crime, the prosecution or apprehension of offenders or where the disclosure is required by law, for example, where an officer of the licensing authority is checking that CCTV is being used in accordance with the conditions of a particular license. While many licensing conditions stipulate that licensees should provide CCTV images to the police “on request”, the requirements of the Data Protection Act 1998 are such that such disclosure should be necessary for investigating or preventing a crime or apprehending or prosecuting an offender. As such the police must be able to justify their requests for CCTV images to be disclosed to them. Id love to see what cameras that licensing law suggests for bars. CCTV in pubs –FAQs UK What is the law which allows licensing authorities to make CCTV a condition of granting an alcohol licence? The Licensing Act 2003 governs the application and granting of licences for premises to sell alcohol. Licensing authorities, in most cases the local authority, have to determine the granting of a licence in line with the “licensing objectives”, which are: a) the prevention of crime and disorder; b) public safety; c) the prevention of public nuisance; and d) the protection of children from harm. Does this mean that licensing authorities can set any conditions they choose on a licence? No, conditions which are placed on a licence must be consistent with the details contained in the application for a licence, such as the plan of the bar or the times that alcohol might be provided, and must help to meet the licensing objectives. Licensing authorities are also bound, as public bodies, to ensure that they act in accordance with the provisions of the Human Rights Act 1998 and that any processing of CCTV is necessary and proportionate to meet a legitimate aim. In addition, any retention, use or disclosure of personal information caught on CCTV must be carried out in line with the data protection principles. Can the police insist that CCTV is installed as a condition of a licence? No, but they are entitled to ask the licensing authority to make CCTV installation a condition of license. However, the licensing authority makes the ultimate decision on which conditions are imposed on determination of the licence. When determining a licence application, the licensing authority must take into account any “relevant representations” made by “interested parties” (such as local residents or businesses) and “responsible authorities”, such as the Chief Officer of the local police services. While these representations must be taken into account, the licensing authority is not bound by them and is not obliged to place any conditions on the licence that are recommended by local police services. Beyond mandatory conditions in the Licensing Act 2003, the licensing authority may only set further conditions where it considers these are necessary to meet the licensing objectives. CCTV is not one of the mandatory conditions and should only be imposed where this helps to meet one of the licensing objectives. It is important to note that it is the licensing authority, not the police service, which makes the final decision on licence conditions. Are licensing authorities aware of this? Yes. Both the Department of Culture Media and Sport and LACORS (The Local Authorities Coordinators of Regulatory Services) have produced guidance for licensing 22 September 2009 22 September 2009 authorities which makes it clear that CCTV should not be introduced as a matter of course, only where there is a justifiable reason for doing so. What if a licensee wants to challenge a decision to make the installation of CCTV a condition of an alcohol licence? Any appeal against a decision by the licensing authority should be taken through the normal licensing appeals process. Does this mean the ICO is opposed to any use of CCTV in licensed premises? No. The ICO can see that there is real value in installing CCTV on those licensed premises which have a history of being connected with crime or anti-social behaviour and where this is likely to continue in the future. How does the Data Protection Act 1998 apply to CCTV images? The Data Protection Act 1998 (the Act) regulates the holding and processing of personal information that relates to living individuals and which is contained in or related to images captured using CCTV. What responsibilities does the licensee have for images caught on CCTV? Under the Data Protection Act 1998, the licensee is the data controller for any CCTV images caught on cameras in their premises which can be used to identify an individual. Licensees must ensure that all CCTV images that can be used to identify an individual are captured on camera, used, stored and disclosed in line with the data protection principles. It is important that signs are displayed explaining that CCTV is in operation. Other than in exceptional circumstances any sound recording function on the CCTV system should be disabled. Further guidance on these and other matters is available in our CCTV Code of Practice. Licensees are also required to notify as a data controller to the ICO and pay an annual fee of £35.00. When can a licensee disclose CCTV images to the police or other third party? The Data Protection Act 1998 allows for CCTV images which can be used to identify an individual to be handed over for the prevention or detection of crime, the prosecution or apprehension of offenders or where the disclosure is required by law, for example, where an officer of the licensing authority is checking that CCTV is being used in accordance with the conditions of a particular license. While many licensing conditions stipulate that licensees should provide CCTV images to the police “on request”, the requirements of the Data Protection Act 1998 are such that such disclosure should be necessary for investigating or preventing a crime or apprehending or prosecuting an offender. As such the police must be able to justify their requests for CCTV images to be disclosed to them. 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tomcctv 190 Posted February 27, 2011 I am really just looking for installation advice. Like I have said I am happy with the system and it has already been checked by my license officer to insure it meets the standard, which it does. If I could sort the picture issue out they will be perfect. math4. a license officer is called in before any install in a pub or bar is started. it is them that tells you what they want from the system for the enviroment. (and its done by the licencing officer from your local police station) if you have had a police office come and see your system and he has signed it off (with the picture quality you have come onto the forum with) i will believe that when you post your DPA reg number on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matht4 0 Posted February 27, 2011 I am really just looking for installation advice. Like I have said I am happy with the system and it has already been checked by my license officer to insure it meets the standard, which it does. If I could sort the picture issue out they will be perfect. math4. a license officer is called in before any install in a pub or bar is started. it is them that tells you what they want from the system for the enviroment. (and its done by the licencing officer from your local police station) if you have had a police office come and see your system and he has signed it off (with the picture quality you have come onto the forum with) i will believe that when you post your DPA reg number on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
